Sheikah

Depends how you see it - some people want the content and see no value in the toys.

Yep, I agree with you on the exclusive DLC thing. D1 console bonuses are bollocks. I feel for X1 owners who couldn't get some weapons/strikes for a whole year in Destiny. No arguments with me there.

@Serebii It's not third party policy though, is it? Nintendo own the amiibo, they allowed it to be used in the way it is currently. Their ok'ing is direct confirmation that they are happy with gameplay modes being locked behind it; something we already knew anyway from Splatoon and Mario Party. I fully expect more of these sort of amiibo unlocks in the future too. They also turned down the original proposal for how the SK amiibo would be used, so it's pretty clear they had a heavy hand in it. Anyway, you rightly point out this happens in other places but that's not really the point. I don't like this kind of thing, and in my eyes Nintendo were good for not going down the microtransaction route when other third parties were. It's sad that Nintendo seem a far cry from what they were back in the 64 era.

Classic Serebii. When confronted with an argument he can't defeat, bring up Sony and Microsoft! Shitty practices for shitty practices, whoever does it.

It's using Nintendo amiibos, so we can definitely point a light at least partially at Nintendo here. They ultimately ok'd its use to unlock gameplay.

Shovel Knight, Splatoon, Mario Party. These 3 are enough example that real gameplay is being locked behind these (yes I am aware Shovel Knight is not a Nintendo game, but there is no way Nintendo did not have a say in this). That this content is available D1 tells me enough; pay more to have the full game. Cue you saying the content would not exist without amiibo, cue me calling you naiive, cue nobody caring, etc. Btw, as amiibo is something Iwata no doubt ushered in, this is totes on topic. We don't know whether the season pass DLC was made post release. We do know the amiibo content isn't. There's your difference.

Season pass is for DLC made post release. The amiibo content is already on the disc. We've already had this discussion before though, so unless there's anything more to add...

Yeah Splatoon was the finished article.

Give me the complete games at day 1 over buying the games and £15 toys any day. Is this what we're doing now? Comparing reality with something else to make it seem a bit less shit?

Nintendo must love you. You're justifying their DLC in perfect marketing language.

But in respect to this part, if you look at darkjak's argument again, he commented that there was short term success (which is what I believe you are referring to, above) in place of the long term. As you said; people rushed to copy Nintendo in terms of motion controls to skim some of that hype cream off the top while it lasted. In respect of darkjak's comments about the Wii and long term, he is right; the Wii is where they took the generational leap backwards, in terms of power. That decision in part closed third party doors (at the very least, many of the games that were multiformat on other consoles stopped coming to Nintendo's home consoles). The console just couldn't run them. Worst of all though was the image. It separated Nintendo's console from the rest; it was no longer seen as a similar product, or competitor, to the other consoles. That worked for them while they were popular with the Wii, but now it doesn't. Again, that's the long term effects of it.

Had my PhD graduation at UCL today, was fun seeing everyone again as well as wearing a pimp getup.

Sure they do, they locked gameplay out with Splatoon. Maybe they were the ones who wanted Shovel Knight amiibo to have more meaningful stuff locked behind it? We'll never know, but they have precedent. And we for sure know Nintendo ok'd this decision. They're compliant with it at the very least.

Same with me, I always seem to not watch for a while then have lots to watch. On the Dressrosa arc now too, at episode 683 or so. Love the voice acting and music even though pacing of the anime can be slow. Really makes it for me.

I'm guessing none of the poor taste stuff it does now?

I'd say it's worth playing the other games because it is quite a story focused series, and games like MGS3 are very much worth playing. It also gives you quite a bit of investment in the series, having followed the story and characters through. Although the story is quite convoluted it is quite enjoyable to piece together throughout the games.

lol, PS4 boards are the least defensive boards in existence. What really is there to defend? The console is doing gangbusters. Anything we don't like we quite rightly air here. Like wankshaftery DLC prices. We're not insecure like that. I'm confused. Are you asking for people's opinion or not? Like here, you're seemingly asking for an opinion, but not...an opinion about what to do with your money? Surely you understand when people are telling you not to buy a game it's not because they fancy being your finance manager, right?

Not in my experience - you tend to get very thoughtful responses here all the time (this being an exception, and only because you're being such a negative Nancy). Like, very detailed explanations about games, questions about your tastes, and generally being helpful. You see people asking questions here all the time about the PS4 and games, and whether it would be for them. This board is generally a lot of fun - in all honesty, when you are negative people don't tend to flame you either. It's not like the Nintendo boards where negativity is met with personal remarks (for instance Serebii, who recently got himself banned from a topic for flaming me...) Another way to see this is that you're asking for people's opinions again but when you get them, you often don't listen to them. Like when Hero et al. suggested you shouldn't buy a PS4 as it probably wasn't for you, then you did, and then you complained about it. So...yeah.

Yeah count me in for the first raid too.

The thanking was because it was a short and sweet response to someone being typically negative towards games on these boards. It sometimes seems like you want to be offended by games so you can have a moan about it, especially when you make opening posts like that... Also, like Goafer says...the sarcasm just makes you look a bit silly.

With Witcher 3 and Bloodborne it has easily been one of the best first half of years ever, although perhaps just not to your tastes.

Sorry man, just on a train to Manchester at the moment. Won't be back home until Monday!

I'm guessing because if they don't deliver early, people will just order with another company that does instead.