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Anyone fill in how they'll appear in the credits for this? I did for the PS4 version.

Grow Home looks great, glad the one I voted for won!

Yup, its mention in this topic a short while back in fact caused a mini tremor.

Just finished the HD remake of Abe's Odyssey. Crazy to think how old this game is, I remember loving it back in the day. Just such a clever and fun game, loved it from start to finish. It was included in Plus a while back so if anyone else is sitting on it, I recommend giving it a go. Such a great game.

I didn't have an arc messenger already. Sorry that you didn't get to go with us.

Not being able to delete stuff has no real impact as stuff you don't play just ends up tucked away in your library. The good thing about the PS4's UI is that it is designed first and foremost for the needs of the many and not the few. The vast majority of people will play a few games at most in a given period rather than, say, 20 games in a month. Designing a UI that lists games in order of most recently played/installed makes the most sense and will ultimately be the most time efficient system, for most people. Things like folders actually make you waste time sorting things out. Honestly have no idea what people are smoking when they say the Wii U UI is better than the PS4s. The Wii U's UI is a dinosaur, much like the rest of the system really.

When you get Tomb Raider play that; Assassin's Creed Black Flag should be at the top of your list as well as The Last of Us, Bloodborne, Witcher 3 and Destiny. That's pretty much the cream of the retail game crop.

Well, we don't know that they are creating extra content. It could very easily be seen in many cases that they are ringfencing content that was already planned or made. On that one, we'll never actually know. The second thing is that although they might get some of that amiibo money to support their staff implementing these things, it's still time spent by the developers of the game making those kinds of features just for the people who shell out more. Either they're pushing the release date forward in order to add "extra" exclusive content, or sacrificing time that could be spent making features for everyone (in the case where they keep the same release date). More than anything though, it's the idea that getting all release content on day 1 will be full price + £10 * number of game-specific amiibo that particularly irks me. People that think I'm hating on amiibo, rest assured that any kind of D1 extra content annoys me. Especially in-game preorder bonuses.

I found Watch Dogs to be a pretty fun game; it's a weird one as you have people who seemingly hate it and people who think it's good. A very marmite game.

Coup was indeed great fun. In fact, they all were!

@Pestneb Perhaps I could have been clearer. Let's use Splatoon as an example - the extra modes they added came as the result of some of the development team spending hours making that content. Even if you argue that the content was only made to give amiibos value (ie. it wasn't going to be there originally, which is tough to guess anyway) they still assign their time and effort to making exclusive stuff, rather than those guys making stuff that everyone can play. By everyone, I don't mean every person who owns the console, but every person who owns that game (amiibo owner or not). Factor in that the game was unfinished on release and it's a tough pill to swallow.

Yaaay Nintendo boards. Where'd you even get that from anyway? I clearly just said that they put staff to task making amiibo content in cases where they're not just paywalling, when they could be making content for everyone. Not that they rush their games.

And as I already said, even in cases where it seems likely they have devoted staff time to amiibo stuff rather than just paywalling already intended content, that effort and man hours could just have easily been put into adding stuff that everyone can enjoy. There is no defence for this practice. None at all.

Prepare to be wowed. That content would still exist. It was developed during the game's development phase. Therefore, I expect to receive all the content that was made during the game's development when I buy the game. And if they have devoted a staff member to making amiibo stuff rather than stuff that everyone can enjoy, then that's just as shitty a situation. They're taking staff away from making other features if that's the case, even if it's to make content that doesn't take too long to make. If they continue development after release then I would be fine with paying more, because they have done more work beyond the release of the game. To expect people to pay for a game then pay on top immediately upon release to get all content is just greed, and I think you'll find many people aren't happy about that. Then again, you know people don't like this practice, don't you? After a look at the amiiqo article on Eurogamer it seems you're frantically trying to put out the same fires, but getting negged to hell in the process.

I'll complain right now and here's why. It's still just unlocking stuff already on those respective discs. All 'value' is perceived; it's not real! They've paywalled their content off and you think you're getting something extra, rather than just getting access to the content you really already own on that disc. It's a pretty lousy practice and it's remarkable how you seem to think it's good value rather than a subtle marketing ploy.

Give us an instanced, real space vault where you can display your shit as well as access it quickly from menus if you so wish. Dibs on the Prison of Elders treasure vault.

That pretty much sums up why it doesn't really make much sense not to sell the DLC separately as well (or, preferably, not paywall day 1 content off at all). Games like LittleBigPlanet have shown how you can buy outfits for something like less than a pound if that's all you want, with no additional purchase required. It's fine if you want to buy amiibo anyway but if you don't, you're worse off. I keep hearing how amiibo are great value and are giving you all these things. In many cases though they're not actually giving you anything, just unlocking the content you already have on the disc you paid for. Well, it's not exactly a big issue because I doubt something like this device will cripple amiibo sales. But really, given the small Wii U userbase, I very much think they could afford to sell the DLC for peanuts on their store (or preferably make it free after a month) without really affecting their amiibo sales.

IIRC the content in Splatoon and Mario Party was reasonably meaningful. It doesn't really need to be substantial to justify a £1-2 price tag, anyway.

But there are also people who want that content but don't want to collect toys (or pay £10-15 a pop). I reckon if Nintendo offered the DLC for £1-2 then this sort of thing wouldn't be anywhere near as appealing to the sorts of people not just backing up their own collections.

It's true that they didn't need to put in that feature (and there are arguably some uses for backing up, although tenuous), but you can still use it honestly. To compare, my Kindle can play unprotected books that weren't bought off the store. You could argue by the same merit that a Kindle must be made to play pirated books because of this extra feature it didn't need to have. I don't doubt they're banking on people buying it to use it dishonestly too, but I'm not even sure whether using it that way is even illegal, to be honest. That, I think, is the biggest thing to come out of this. A glance at the Eurogamer comments section shows how disgruntled people are, that content is often tied behind individual £10-15 figures; some even hard to get hold of. As with any form of 'piracy' (if that even is what this is) - the best way to counter it is to offer a better service.

Whether people here fall into the category is isn't really the point; it still has uses and some people would use it properly. Especially when you think that a lot of people are obsessive collectors who spend a lot of money already. If this can scan people's amiibos in their boxes then you can keep them sealed, for instance. There's also the convenience of having them all on one device, or having a display/collection that you can leave untouched and keep this at hand. There's also the travel/going to other people's houses aspect which means you could just take that instead. Have your amiibo collection in one place and this in another. There's certainly uses, and I can definitely see people using it properly. I can also see a lot more people probably using it improperly, but I'm finding it very difficult to feel bad about that. The way I see it, for some games you are basically paying more to unlock the content already on your disc. For £50 I wouldn't touch it personally, but I could see clones of this propping up for pretty cheap.

I repeated it as you didn't seem to address the point. Question - do you believe all MP3 players are bad? Or, as is also the case here, is it purely the intention of the user?

The same thing could be said about MP3 players with their ability to play pirated music. No doubt it will get used for piracy, but so long as they can argue the point that it can be used normally then I'm not sure what could be done about it. From the sounds of things, copying data from an NFC device isn't exactly difficult.

Let's hope they don't care about it so they don't find a way to circumvent it. If something like this was available for around £20 or less it actually becomes quite attractive. Even for collectors who might want to keep their devices in packaging or in a display case, can use this as a functional device for their gaming needs.

It can store amiibo codes, no different to how an MP3 player can store legal or illegal music, or how a HDD can store legal or illegal software. It kinda shows that if people are willing to buy this, Nintendo really ought to do something that caters to people who don't favour the collecting aspect and just want the unlockables.