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Looking at this video and seeing how Rare-esque it is I think they're right on bloody point creating their own universe. This game is gonna fly off the shelves and give them a nice chunk of cash to get themselves going(quite literally a kickstarter!). They'll definitely get a decent amount of interest out of their first few games depending what kind of games they go for - who wouldn't pick up another DKR-esque racer made in the modern day? The adventure/story mode of DKR was far superior to MK64's straightforward cup racing, and then there were all the little secrets etc tucked away too. Very excited for Playtonic in the future.

It's got potential, a lot of potential, but being a hybrid alone will not be enough. It HAS to have features on par with the competition imo, regardless of whether they see themselves as in the same competing sphere. I don't know a lot about the backend side of things and how easy/hard it is to code for the Tegra(/presumed NX CPU) but there certainly is a risk of it being lumbered more with mobile versions rather than fuller versions - especially if companies are less willing to take a risk. How long's a game on FIFA usually though? Getting a console-worthy version on the NX is again another great idea. It's a big seller and again - imagine having a quick match with a mate on your lunch break or something, but also having the ability to play against them online at home too. A portable home console just sings to me the more and more I think about it, but it NEEDS to be executed right.

I'm no longer very keen on 'pretty sure' when it comes to Nintendo I don't think Playtonic WILL neglect the NX, but I think there's some definite uncertainty there especially if they're working/partnering with Team17 as a publisher. Nintendo need to ensure they re-assure and get them on board if there at all any possible doubts. I do appreciate that Playtonic are aiming to have Yooka-Laylee on WiiU - but what if it burns them or Team17? What if they just don't make enough sales for what was put in? Nintendo need to prepare for and address that if it occurs. I've sadly said it in the YL thread - I'd personally get it for my PS4 over my WiiU(unless there's a noticeable price saving). Many people are dual-consoled(if not more) and the decision on where to go comes down to personal preference and system - if you had both which would you go for? I'm playing the same game, but I'd prefer to do it on my PS4 because of its system level features that the WiiU doesn't give me. I realise some may still go WiiU btw, even if they have a PS4 etc, but I do think the majority may choose the PS4 over the WiiU. An NX port though...hmm. That, is unknown territory. If I had a choice between my PS4 and the NX, if the NX is doing enough as a system for me to buy it(so all the things I've covered already) - then I'd probably go for the NX due to the edge of the handheld-ness of it. It's an interesting time - Nintendo need to be on the ball though. Definitely agree with that. Smash Bros NX in itself has some work to do - Smash 4, frankly, was not up to scratch given its predecessors. However throwing a little bit of that credit/appearance would be a very tight goodwill gesture to someone like Playtonic; especially if you consider some these guys used to be tight as fuck with Nintendo back in the day. We all know what Nintendo inspires in our hearts and how it makes us feel - don't think that doesn't apply to game devs either. There's only so much you can keep going back to your abusive ex before you move on, though. Nintendo need to throw all their perceived perceptions out of the window, listen to the consumers, and just go balls to the wall. That is, in my opinion, the single greatest choice that has led to the PS4 being such a massive success so far this generation.

Just watching the 6 min gameplay vid in the Yooka-Laylee thread - Nintendo need to definitely try and get Playtonic on board for the future. I've also said before, but they should have tried to help court the devs of A Hat in Time which is essentially a tribute to the similar style games of old. If I'm honest I think what Nintendo really need to do is what Sony did - get a lot more input and representation from the West, and give some more say to people there.

Ahhhh! It seems so retro Rare but modern'd up just a tiny bit! Bloody love it! Didn't think I'd have much time or love for a game like this these days being older, but I might just well be tempted by this on PS4. Do we know when it's planned release is? I'd consider it on NX(if I was going to get an NX, and if NX was going to get this) but not for WiiU sadly. EDIT: Christ, put the Eurogamer vid up on my chromecast - looks so much more bloody vibrant on my TV! Even better Some great little jokes in it too, but I'm a sucker for puns/dad jokes.

They need an N64-era Rare or two under their belt really. Most of the best/most successful games on N64 were either Nintendo made or Rare made and gave a bit of diversity there(I mean even there let's take SM64, BK64 and DK64 - all platformers with different aspects, feels and mechanics to them). Really though - my concern is they can't manage the diversity stakes at the moment. So they need to make the system itself good/great. As I've said just above - hybridding it into a handheld/home console combined sitting between PS4 and XB1 capabilities is really, really, good. It's not enough alone though. We need the standard online features that the competition has, cross-buy/purchases between consoles, speed, an interesting online ecoverse but not isolated(so miiverse maybe, but ties to popular social medial), a DECENT AMOUNT OF STORAGE, etcetc. They need, imo, to make this sell by its functionality alone. If they make this awesome kickass console, and jump-start it with some good first party titles, and get it sold and into homes/hands - then the diversity and developers will hopefully follow. BotW is a start, even though I hated the fact they've done a TP with it, but it needs some more. A true, open, SM64 style sequel(less linear than Galaxy) would be a great title to have on its release to get it sold. Another example I said before is if they can get a Monster Hunter on it and trying to replicated what MH3DS/MH3U did where you can play locally with a 3DS, play with a 3DS near a WiiU, have online you can play with WiiU with voice chat etc. As a handheld/home console hybrid(as I've already said) they can really come to unify alot of their social initiatives and make this a truly social console - and social is so in right now. Go out, meet people with handheld portion of NXs, become friends - play/chat online with them when at home. Right now I can't think of anything better than a game like Monster Hunter to really kick off of that with. The NX isn't harmed just by its own possible flaws, it's harmed just as much by those of the Wii and WiiU. Many fans have been burned, and so imo they really need to make this relevant as a system alone to get it into people's hands and hopefully attract back developers. (EDIT: Soz @Pestneb was posting before I saw your post there. Feel we're somehow on completely different lines. I wasn't comparing within genres - I was comparing the platformer vs racer as you had - but where I'd see more between the two(R&C vs NFS, as opposed to SM3DL&W vs MK). Also was definitely NOT suggesting diversity between MK7 and MK8, that was my issue. Definitely agree that if hybridding gave us an MK and an F-Zero or Excite title that would be SO much better for the system and diversity. As for business insight...well, that's an easy cop-out :p Yes everyone's falliable, but they clearly very much overestimated theirselves with the WiiU if you look at the meetings and projected sales/numbers and later revisions. Business is always up and down - but you have to be prepared to adjust and change, mix it up, Nintendo seem very un-keen to do that sometimes)

Knew I should have got another packet of polos. What are Univision all about? Can we expect it to have much of an impact?

But is the diversity and variety the same as say...Need for Speed vs Ratchet and Clank? That's a notable difference. Whilst I definitely agree both diversity and quality counts - I think metacritic and those numbers reflect the fact there's simply more on other systems. Simply by having more you'll get more hits meeting the threshold you've set there. However I think that's fine - it shows there's more out there, and with more surely you're getting more variety, more diversity, and even for some of the less popular games - it's delivering something to someone who isn't getting that on a system with less. Yes, Nintendo can develop a lot of stuff, yes there is some diversity - however on a system level(again, this is the NX thread not a 'Nintendo as a developer' thread) - there simply won't be enough diversity across the whole of the larger picture to make the system as appealing as the competition on software alone, because Nintendo simply cannot or rather currently do not supply that wealth of content. Consider the fact it's a hybrid, my comparison of MK7+MK8 becomes almost more relevant in that front because it's taking one more racer out of the already limited line-up! It does of course, open up the possibility you've mentioned about freeing resources to create new titles however, and that's interesting to think about. And so it comes back all the way round to the previous - if software alone won't be enough, what are they going to do to help sell the system otherwise? Hybrid if true is one great step for the console imo, that's quite a potential selling point right there - but it all needs to be utilized and executed well with other features on par with if not exceeding the competition.

Mad as in you'd be mad, or it'd be mad? I definitely think it would be awesome to see some familiar faces or incarnations from the past series! As much as I'd like to see him, I'd take the previous things with a pinch of salt myself @Mr_Master_X2 - this is a guaranteed 2015 release after all

Well there's a SNES sitting in the middle of my living room floor for the past 10 months or so now so....:p I was speaking more metaphorically I think, though I guess I was thinking a bit literal for the PS4. I think I would literally have to disconnect the PS4 to stop me playing it over the WiiU - so it'd be shelving it in that sense. A PS3, PS4 and WiiU are all actually still mostly hooked up in the living room(just not enough HDMIs maybe so I switch when needed). Only reason my Wii and 360 aren't connected is because I must have d/c'd them at some point to take them/lend them somewhere and never needed to reconnect them since.

Tbh I left it open for this point to be raised - a collapsing could arguably reduce diversity(or maybe sales) further as you wouldn't get this dual releasing - and it takes some numbers off of those originally quoted if we consider it like that. However you raise a very good counter point in that it will potentially allow for resources to be focused on other avenues. I'd dare say the theory/strategy so far however has been specifically to focus on and make these titles across systems with little variation knowing they will sell to a majority of the system owners and it's a safe and easy play. As for the racers - you're still 1 behind and yet I've still named only a limited amount. Kudos to you though as it looks very much to me like you ended up drawing your inspiration for titles from the same place as I did You know how many more I'll draw on if needed too :p

What's good for the goose is not good for the gander? You have no idea of how to debate and discuss things Ronnie. Of course, I'm not saying that with the intention of having it picked apart or disputed, so we'll leave it there and settle it completely in my favour

You asking me to be fair is kind of amusing :p. I was using like for like genres, there, as you seem to like your genres. Hence I chose those games. COD and FIFA are neither racers nor platformers. Nobody is truly disputing your point that Nintendo make a lot of things for their system. I'd even expand to say they've been forced to do so in addition due to their poor choices in the past. The issue here is that it isn't generally good enough. Not diverse enough, not varied enough, especially compared to competing systems. For example - why don't you offer me the variety of racers available on the system for the variety and diversity that I've been trying to talk about for days? None of this 1st/2nd/3rd party distinctions simply to suit a point that wasn't being made - it shouldn't matter on a system level; which this thread is here to discuss - the NX as a hardware system. Let's take the racers alone - what are Nintendo systems offering against a wealth including Project Cars, Drive Club, F1, Dirt Rally, NFS, Trials, The Crew, MXGP, WRC, Table Top Racing, Carmageddon etc? That's....11 within that racing genre and still 'just to name a few'(sticking with the 'racing' genre). Can you give me 11 racers on the WiiU/3DS combined? So far we have MK7, MK8, Sonic Racing Transformed, Fast Racing Neo which makes...4. Even ignoring the general lack of variety between MK7 and MK8. The 11 I've named I believe are all available on a single competing system to the WiiU/NX etc. That's a single genre - I imagine the pattern would be further repeated and demonstrated within others. How is that 4 vs 11 going to attract people and further development to the NX? How is it going to attract consumers? How is that going to make the console a success? This is what it comes back to(and the thread topic) - with a lack of diversity compared to the competition how can we truly expect the console to be that great a success? We've clearly seen the impact of this on the Wii U, and the success of it on the competition.

Don't be sorry! I was mostly just pointing out the silly :p What are you going for first out of the two? I've got Pikmin already though didn't give it more than a few hours(think I didn't even get one type of pikmin even) - and even though I know I don't touch my Wii U much I'm slightly tempted by Captain Toad. I may try and just shelve my PS4 for a month or so at some point and just proper crack on with WiiUing before my mate is back home!

The point being made against that is that they will lack diversity due to it. Simply 'genre'-ing it will not suddenly make it diverse. Look at the actual diversity of titles - SM3DL, SM3DW, MK7, MK8; both combine from their handheld and console offerings(relevant due to NX's rumoured hybrid nature) to give 4 games across two genres but within themselves the diversity and variety is rather lacking compared to that available on a competing system(which does not, to me, 'bode well'). For comparison to the above let's use Knack, Ratchet+Clank, Project CARS, Drive Club. Both 4 games two genres - much more variety and diversity in this latter example than the former, though. That's even still ignoring the availability of other racers let's say such as F1, Dirt Rally, NFS, etc to name just a few. Again: Genres are broad and vague. Diversity both within and not just between genres matters.

Overwatch, The Witcher, Geometry Wars 3, Until Dawn, Tropico 5, CoD, Dishonored, Knack are wildly different games, to name just a few. The problem with the argument is many fold - a.) who defines these genres? b.) what if two games that fall into a 'genre' wildly differ do you then redefine it(see multiplayer online shooter and first person team based shooter in above quoted post; the latter would technically fall into the former) c.) Just being able to name different genres and variety on one system does not automatically mean it has more or equal variety compared to another system - this comes to Kav's point about having 5 games available vs having 100 games available. Again, variety and diversity comes both within AND across genres - however in Nintendo's case due to them primarily supporting their system I'd say diversity within is less(let's again take MK7+MK8, both 'racers' by genre, but very little variety between). As for taking some lesser selling titles and saying how they've been outsold by Wii U titles - surely it could equally be taken to take bigger selling titles on the competition to say they've outsold the Wii U titles to make the same point but in favour of the competition?

You've just linked the forum, but I think I realise you meant to link the Nintendo Selects thread :p

Genres are too broad and vague. Diversity within matters too.

Not sure if news, but some recognizable characters may be making a return to this.

Was going a bit deeper into the PS4 the other day to get to stuff I hadn't used for a while, and I did think to myself how much I prefer the sort of WiiU grid setup and wouldn't have minded that on PS4 myself! Definitely would take the PS4's speed and swiftness over it, though.

The greatest gaming revolution since the d-pad...! (not at all bothered about folders, rest of it looks quite cool though)

This is what you'll get when you play with big brands. Consider how some might call Nintendo disconnected - imagine some bigwig related to protecting the IP just not understanding enough about an awesome game to allow it and preferring to bury it just because it's easier.

Hmm. This makes me wonder a bit - if I end up picking this up later in the year(probs closer to Christmas/Dec) - will I be ending up exploring already explored, and possibly depleted, planets? Or is a planet so vast you're unlikely to have done so much on it to affect other people's play so much?

Belated Happy birthday Dazzybee! (Damn. Turns our my phones pretty solid on those autocorrects -.-)

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