Playstation 5 Console Discussion

[Julius]

Update on compatible peripherals and accessories. Biggest takeaway is that the DualShock 4 will not be compatible with PS5 titles, but will be compatible with supported backwards compatible PS4 titles. 

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In our June Future of Gaming digital event, we announced an array of PlayStation 5 peripherals and accessories that will be launching this holiday season. But we know that many of you were also wondering if and how existing PlayStation 4 peripherals are compatible with the next-gen system. Today, we’re happy to share a brief FAQ that will answer some of your questions.

If you have questions that aren’t addressed, feel free to leave them in the comments below.

Which existing PS4 peripherals/accessories will work on PS5?

- Specialty peripherals, such as officially licensed racing wheels, arcade sticks, and flight sticks, will work with PS5 games and supported PS4 games.
- The Platinum and Gold Wireless Headsets, as well as third-party headsets that connect via USB port or audio jack, will work on PS5 (the headset companion app is not compatible with PS5).
- The DualShock 4 wireless controller and PlayStation officially licensed third-party gamepad controllers will work with supported PS4 games.
- Both the PS Move Motion Controllers and the PlayStation VR Aim Controller will work with supported PS VR games on PS5.

Please note, not all PlayStation officially licensed or third-party peripherals/accessories may work on PS5. We recommend checking with the manufacturer to confirm whether a product will work on PS5 and specific titles.

Will DualShock 4 work with PS5 games?

No, we believe that PS5 games should take advantage of the new capabilities and features we’re bringing to the platform, including the features of DualSense wireless controller.

Is the PlayStation Camera for PS4 compatible with PS5?

Yes, PlayStation Camera will work with PS5 for playing supported PS VR games. It will require a PlayStation Camera adaptor that will be provided at no additional cost to PS VR users. More details on how to get the adaptor will be announced at a later date.

And that’s it! We’ll continue to provide updates on PlayStation 5 down the road, so make sure to check back soon.

 

[Will]

I think it’s a good thing you can’t use the DualShock 4 with the PS5 games. Sony have been very clear that generational gaps are an important part of their process and the controller is an integral part of that.

Good to know that the specialist peripherals will transfer across though. I’ve been considering spending a considerable amount of money on a racing wheel and it would totally suck if it wouldn’t work on PS5. 

[Julius]

Made a dedicated thread for it, but wanted to put it down here too, because I do think it's an important part of the conversation surrounding the PS5: this week's State of Play won't feature any news on the PS5. 

 

 

Now really isn't the time to start mixing their messaging, I feel they should be all-in on PS5 now, especially seeing as we have the (presumably) last of the first party exclusives out of the way now that TLOU2 and Ghost have released. 

Would hope that they at least have the foresight to confirm a date/time for the next State of Play if there is indeed another one scheduled for August. Weird too, because the Champions League kicks off again this Friday, and with PS5 advertising being on show, you'd think now would be the time to pounce.

But alas, guess we might end up waiting until Gamescom for more game news, but I would hope that we'd have been able to pre-order it by then. 

[drahkon]

As with everything Sony has done so far regarding the PS5: They know what they're doing. Pretty much every little (and big) thing they announced (be it via a stream or just a photo on social media) was a huge hit.

This State of Play won't affect the PS5 marketing negatively at all.

3 minutes ago, Julius said:

Weird too, because the Champions League kicks off again this Friday, and with PS5 advertising being on show, you'd think now would be the time to pounce.

I think the PS5 advertising during CL is a pretty big "pounce".

[Ronnie]

8 minutes ago, Julius said:

Made a dedicated thread for it, but wanted to put it down here too, because I do think it's an important part of the conversation surrounding the PS5: this week's State of Play won't feature any news on the PS5. 

 

Now really isn't the time to start mixing their messaging, I feel they should be all-in on PS5 now, especially seeing as we have the (presumably) last of the first party exclusives out of the way now that TLOU2 and Ghost have released. 

Would hope that they at least have the foresight to confirm a date/time for the next State of Play if there is indeed another one scheduled for August. Weird too, because the Champions League kicks off again this Friday, and with PS5 advertising being on show, you'd think now would be the time to pounce.

But alas, guess we might end up waiting until Gamescom for more game news, but I would hope that we'd have been able to pre-order it by then. 

I'm getting really bored with this cat and mouse drip feed build up.

Anyway, really weird announcement, but at least they've learned to manage expectations since that Cerny talk blunder. Putting a blunt "no big PS5 announcements!" says it all.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Ronnie

[Ronnie]

6 minutes ago, drahkon said:

They know what they're doing

You mean like revealing the PS5 and release window on the same day Concrete Genie came out? Great timing guys. 

[Julius]

2 minutes ago, drahkon said:

As with everything Sony has done so far regarding the PS5: They know what they're doing. Pretty much every little (and big) thing they announced (be it via a stream or just a photo on social media) was a huge hit.

This State of Play won't affect the PS5 marketing negatively at all.

Oh yeah, I totally agree that they know what they're doing, though I just think it's an odd thing to do at this time. Now that TLOU2 and Ghost are out, I think most were fully expecting them to turn their full gaze towards the PS5. 

Which I don't think is a totally unfair expectation three and a half months from launch. 

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I think the PS5 advertising during CL is a pretty big "pounce".

Agreed, but an even bigger pounce I think would be advertising going around saying "PS5 - Pre-order now". 

They no doubt know what they're doing and this thing will break records, I'm sure, especially after the reported increase in units being manufactured for launch, but I feel like it would have been a great way to show that the PS5 is now their main focus. 

It just reminds me a little too much of Xbox's handling of their Showcase where they looked like they were caught in the middle of two generations. Don't think that's the case here, but I do hope this is the last PS4 SoP and that they share some plans for the PS5 not too long after. 

[drahkon]

31 minutes ago, Julius said:

Agreed, but an even bigger pounce I think would be advertising going around saying "PS5 - Pre-order now". 

Sure, but that holds true for the past, present and the future. I think the reaction to Sony saying "Pre-order now" will always be "awesome!" (depending on the price, of course).

33 minutes ago, Julius said:

I feel like it would have been a great way to show that the PS5 is now their main focus. 

I think it's pretty clear that it is. For Sony.
The upcoming State of Play will surely be for third party games only, which I think is great for the devs. The PS4 player base is huge and giving devs a show to present their games is pretty nifty. There's no doubt there's still a substantial demand for PS4 games.

Of course, I'd also love to hear more news on the PS5, but for now, I'll be happy to tune in on Thursday and see what's in store for the console that's still rocking the show

[Julius]

9 minutes ago, drahkon said:

Sure, but that holds true for the past, present and the future. I think the reaction to Sony saying "Pre-order now" will always be "awesome!" (depending on the price, of course).

Waiting for the inevitable "PS5. 5, for five 5's...the PS5 will be on sale for $/£/€555.55" to come out of all of this  honestly don't expect that to be too far off the mark now that I type that. 

I've done my saving so far based on £499, but left myself quite a bit of wiggle room. Much more interested in seeing the price for the digital edition, even though I don't plan on getting one, because that seems best positioned to try to match any potential lowball Microsoft puts out there, such as with Lockhart, if that still comes to fruition. £449, £429, and £399 all seem kind of realistic for that version in my eyes. 

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I think it's pretty clear that it is. For Sony.
The upcoming State of Play will surely be for third party games only, which I think is great for the devs. The PS4 player base is huge and giving devs a show to present their games is pretty nifty. There's no doubt there's still a substantial demand for PS4 games.

Of course, I'd also love to hear more news on the PS5, but for now, I'll be happy to tune in on Thursday and see what's in store for the console that's still rocking the show 

Yeah, I'm just getting to the point where I want to have my pre-order in, if nothing else, and I know a lot of others are in that same position too. Might be a bit impatient of me, but I'm really excited! 

Of course I'll still tune in though, curious to see which indie games will be showing back up. 

Please be Kena. 

[drahkon]

Just now, Julius said:

Yeah, I'm just getting to the point where I want to have my pre-order in, if nothing else, and I know a lot of others are in that same position too.

Fair enough.

 

[Ashley]

The account that keeps giving

 

[Sheikah]

I'm getting really bored with this cat and mouse drip feed build up. Anyway, really weird announcement, but at least they've learned to manage expectations since that Cerny talk blunder. Putting a blunt "no big PS5 announcements!" says it all.

I swear you keep saying the Cerny talk was a blunder in the hope that you'll convince people through repetition. 3:1 likes to dislikes ratio doesn't lie. 

 

[Ronnie]

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I've no need. That seemed to be the general consensus after it came out. Interesting talk but badly messaged and not the right time for it. No point getting into this again, you disagree, that's fine.

[Sheikah]

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I've no need. That seemed to be the general consensus after it came out. Interesting talk but badly messaged and not the right time for it. No point getting into this again, you disagree, that's fine.

Except it wasn't the general consensus, either with people or the websites which analysed his talk!

[Goron_3]

Seeing some rumours of a big PS5 event in the coming weeks. Fingers crossed it's true.

I do think Sony are going into next gen with a tonne of momentum compared to Microsoft. They've just announced sales figure for the past quarter and quite frankly they are extraordinary. At the moment, PS4 is tracking above PS2 sales, which says a lot given that home gaming in Japan is non-existent. One thing that I never thought about until just know is that more than ever, gamers don't want to switch ecosystems as they'll lose their digital software. Sony are selling huge amounts of software at the moment and I've got no doubt it will stop people switching over to Xbox Series X.

I don't think I've ever been this excited by a next gen console to be honest. With PS4/ XBO, we saw big jumps in GPU power and RAM but fairly modest CPU gains. With PS5, we're seeing a 8x increase in CPU performance, 20x performance in speed (from HDD to SSD) and even then, the GPU's are better in 2020 than the PS4 GPU was in 2013.

I've just completed RDR2 on XBX and whilst the game was utterly gorgeous, you could tell it was really pushing the limits of what game design could be like on a current console. I can't wait to see what the future holds

[Sheikah]

53 minutes ago, Goron_3 said:

Seeing some rumours of a big PS5 event in the coming weeks. Fingers crossed it's true.

I do think Sony are going into next gen with a tonne of momentum compared to Microsoft. They've just announced sales figure for the past quarter and quite frankly they are extraordinary. At the moment, PS4 is tracking above PS2 sales, which says a lot given that home gaming in Japan is non-existent. One thing that I never thought about until just know is that more than ever, gamers don't want to switch ecosystems as they'll lose their digital software. Sony are selling huge amounts of software at the moment and I've got no doubt it will stop people switching over to Xbox Series X.

I don't think I've ever been this excited by a next gen console to be honest. With PS4/ XBO, we saw big jumps in GPU power and RAM but fairly modest CPU gains. With PS5, we're seeing a 8x increase in CPU performance, 20x performance in speed (from HDD to SSD) and even then, the GPU's are better in 2020 than the PS4 GPU was in 2013.

I've just completed RDR2 on XBX and whilst the game was utterly gorgeous, you could tell it was really pushing the limits of what game design could be like on a current console. I can't wait to see what the future holds

Regarding the bolded bit, I absolutely agree. I've said it before but it's far, far more difficult to simply switch consoles than it has been in previous generations. You've got the digital software you'll lose access to like you said but there's more than that - people have got a lot of physical games that they can continue to play due to backwards compatibility and friends lists that they would lose if they switched. It's also become more difficult than ever to afford more than one of these new consoles due to how expensive it will likely be plus the online sub costs.

It really did make that 2013 E3 so very important to get right, as we're seeing the knock on effects carry through to the next generation, and probably even beyond that.

I'm also really excited about these new consoles. I think the introduction of the SSD will make the older systems feel really quite outdated by comparison. For a lot of the games that have recently come out (e.g. TLOU2, GoT) I'm holding off in the hope that they get a patch shortly after the release of the PS5.

[Zell]

1 hour ago, Goron_3 said:

Seeing some rumours of a big PS5 event in the coming weeks. Fingers crossed it's true.

I do think Sony are going into next gen with a tonne of momentum compared to Microsoft. They've just announced sales figure for the past quarter and quite frankly they are extraordinary. At the moment, PS4 is tracking above PS2 sales, which says a lot given that home gaming in Japan is non-existent. One thing that I never thought about until just know is that more than ever, gamers don't want to switch ecosystems as they'll lose their digital software. Sony are selling huge amounts of software at the moment and I've got no doubt it will stop people switching over to Xbox Series X.

I don't think I've ever been this excited by a next gen console to be honest. With PS4/ XBO, we saw big jumps in GPU power and RAM but fairly modest CPU gains. With PS5, we're seeing a 8x increase in CPU performance, 20x performance in speed (from HDD to SSD) and even then, the GPU's are better in 2020 than the PS4 GPU was in 2013.

I've just completed RDR2 on XBX and whilst the game was utterly gorgeous, you could tell it was really pushing the limits of what game design could be like on a current console. I can't wait to see what the future holds

I agree that Mircosoft have all the work to do to get gamers to switch to Xbox from Playstation, whereas Sony simply have to not fuck up PS3-style in order to get their user base to migrate to PS5.

If in regular consumer eyes the PS5 and Xbox Series X are essentially the same box in terms of graphics, price point, functionality and 3rd party games, then people will generally just stick to the same brand (same console as their friends, likely already have a subscription, ease of moving across digital games etc). At the moment I don't see Microsoft doing enough to win people over (and at the same time, Sony are making all the right noises).

The digital software library point is probably overblown though, since you don't lose access to your digital games by switching console brands unless you actually sell your old console. Over the course of the last few generations, I've gone from Gamecube to Xbox 360 to PS4 as my primary console. On my Xbox 360 I had accumulated a modest collection of digital games and while Xbox One would have been great for the backwards compatibility and my digital content, ultimately the PS4 was the no-brainer choice for me this gen. So my digital library is spread, but I also have digital games spread across my Wii, Wii U, 3DS, Switch, Xbox 360, PS3, PS4, Vita, Steam, Epic Games and god knows what else.

Edited August 4, 2020 by Zell

[Sheikah]

5 minutes ago, Zell said:

The digital software library point is probably overblown though, since you don't lose access to your digital games by switching console brands unless you actually sell your old console. Over the course of the last few generations, I've gone from Gamecube to Xbox 360 to PS4 as my primary console. On my Xbox 360 I had accumulated a modest collection of digital games and while Xbox One would have been great for the backwards compatibility and my digital content, ultimately the PS4 was the no-brainer choice for me this gen. So my digital library is spread, but I also have digital games spread across my Wii, Wii U, 3DS, Switch, Xbox 360, PS3, PS4, Vita, Steam, Epic Games and god knows what else.

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't Microsoft add most of the 360 game support to the X1 later on? I do think it's very important to have this backwards compatibility support right away as it eases the transition. If I can go out and buy a PS5 at launch and immediately play Overwatch (with boosted performance) for instance, that's a big deal. I can pack away my PS4 right away.

Give it a year or two after the launch of PS5 and backwards compatibility becomes less of a big deal.

Another point on this is that we've now probably accumulated much bigger game libraries due to games included with Plus and also because digital (and digital game sales) is much bigger now.

Edited August 4, 2020 by Sheikah

[Zell]

1 minute ago, Sheikah said:

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't Microsoft add most of the 360 game support to the X1 later on? I do think it's very important to have this backwards compatibility support right away as it eases the transition. If I can go out and buy a PS5 at launch and immediately play Overwatch (with boosted performance) for instance, that's a big deal. I can pack away my PS4 right away.

Give it a year or two after the launch of PS5 and backwards compatibility becomes less of a big deal.

Yeah I agree that there's more incentives to continue with the same brand to have that seamless transition. As previously said, if the consoles are essentially very similar then it makes complete sense to stick rather than switch.

Microsoft need to give a reason for people to switch from PS4 to Xbox Series X, to counter the above arguments. What would that take? If it turned out that Series X was say £200 cheaper? They produced some killer app akin to the original Halo? One can dream. Maybe heavily invest in Game Pass and start giving them away.

One thing I mentioned was playing with friends who all own the same console, hopefully crossplay will become standard very soon so this shit won't matter.

  

[Will]

For me I really don’t care about my digital library, I’ll probably never play the games again once I upgrade and even if I went to another ecosystem I’d keep my old console just in case.

What I do care about is my digital identity, my friends lists, achievements etc. I think in real terms that’s a bigger reason to stick with the same console over time, especially as they’ve become more central to the experience over the last generation.

[Mandalore]

41 minutes ago, will' said:

What I do care about is my digital identity

I think all console manufacturers have got a long way to go with digital identities before I'd feel very invested in their ecosystems. Personalisation is still extremely limited and I feel a complete disparity between my sense of accomplishment and what my achievement/trophy list says.

[Julius]

Continued rumours about an upcoming PS5 announcement from Bloomberg. 

I would just like to know the price and maybe have a bit of a teardown by the time that Gamescom rolls around at the end of the month. Anything else would be a bonus, especially anything relating to upcoming games. Hope they plan to turn up at Tokyo Game Show next month too. 

And the Kaz account just keeps on giving 

 

[Goron_3]

I also want to just point out how mixed Microsoft's messaging has been. Sony have made it very clear that they believe in this idea that a new console generation should create experiences that couldn't be possible on older technology, hence why they've invested not just into great CPUs and GPU's but a groundbreaking SSD.

The Halo Infinite reveal was just so disappointing to me. I watched a reaction to it from The Cherno (who is a game developer) and whilst it's just one game, it does very much suggest that Microsoft's approach to next gen is better resolution and framerates, not new game design possibilities. The Rachet and Clank trailer meanwhile very deliberately showed how quickly the SSD can load new worlds and how the SSD can change games. Again, it's a small sample size but I think both examples show a lot.

If I have realised one thing about next gen though it's that I need a bigger and better TV.

[Ronnie]

2 minutes ago, Goron_3 said:

The Halo Infinite reveal was just so disappointing to me. I watched a reaction to it from The Cherno (who is a game developer) and whilst it's just one game, it does very much suggest that Microsoft's approach to next gen is better resolution and framerates, not new game design possibilities. The Rachet and Clank trailer meanwhile very deliberately showed how quickly the SSD can load new worlds and how the SSD can change games. Again, it's a small sample size but I think both examples show a lot.

I don't think you can look at one example as evidence that one console manufacturer looks at new game design possibilities and the other doesn't, especially as Sony's first demonstration of the SSD was all about faster fast travel in Spider-Man. I'm also not sure the whole dimension swapping thing in Ratchet looks particularly fun, to me at least?

Has Microsoft's messaging been mixed? They've been very clear as far as I can tell, especially thing like backwards compatibility and how all their games on Game Pass etc.

[Will]

52 minutes ago, Mandalore said:

I think all console manufacturers have got a long way to go with digital identities before I'd feel very invested in their ecosystems. Personalisation is still extremely limited and I feel a complete disparity between my sense of accomplishment and what my achievement/trophy list says.

I think that’s fair, and I agree there is a long way to go before they are ideal. But they will improve, and get used for more and more things. Over time they become a bigger barrier to switching. I guess it does include the games you own and have dropped money into. It’s the whole online connection to the ecosystem.

20 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Has Microsoft's messaging been mixed? They've been very clear as far as I can tell, especially thing like backwards compatibility and how all their games on Game Pass etc.

I think they’ve been pretty clear, but they haven’t come out (as far as I know) and explicitly laid down a mark in the sand like Sony have. As other have mentioned Sony have been very clear that generational leaps are important and there should be a very defined difference between what is possible on PS5 vs. PS4, to the extent that games are not possible on the older hardware. Microsoft are going for the opposite approach where games are playable on whatever hardware you have, just to differing levels, but obviously they can’t say you don’t really need to buy the new console so it comes across as less explicit.

In terms of approach I think you can easily make a case for both of them being the right way to do things. But Sony sure make their approach sound more exciting for people looking to get a new console.