Goafer Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Corbyn is my waifu. I may join the Labour party myself for he same reasons. I just hope senpai notices me. Seriously though, I may look into joining.
ipaul Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 I always considered myself considerably to the left of the leadership when Ed Miliband was in charge, but Corbyn is a disaster. I hope the PLP manage to get rid of him and all of the regressive leftists who've been 'Labour' all of 5 minutes fuck off back to the Socialist Workers Party or wherever else they came from.
Goafer Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Jesus, seems like there's an epidemic of people in Newcastle telling people to fuck off back to where they came from.
ipaul Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Jesus, seems like there's an epidemic of people in Newcastle telling people to fuck off back to where they came from. Get off my internets.
dan-likes-trees Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) Interested, without wishing to be inflammatory, in what you Corbynites made of his campaigning and general presence during the referendum. It's changed how I view him, particularly after his rating his interest in staying in the EU at 7/10 seemingly confirming that he'd be happy enough with us out (I understand that in that clip he's criticizing certain aspects of the EU as an organisation rather than the idea of staying in, but I feel like a fortnight before the vote isn't the time to be offering such indifference in such a tight race) Boris pulling out is a total shocker, but to my mind a massive relief. He's a cynic and a calculating prick, but Gove or May don't seem half as electable material - could finally pave the way for a labour government, assuming a general election is held in the next year or two. But I feel like we learnt learned last election that being too far left, and having too strange a personality doesn't win elections. And for all his success in opposition, I'd put money on Corbyn, again, not having the mainstream appeal to get in office. Fair play for sticking to his principles, but if labour blow it again I'll be devastated. Edited June 30, 2016 by dan-likes-trees
dan-likes-trees Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 I quite like Jezza. He's a Gooner. Ahh! That's why I don't like him
ipaul Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 I quite like Jezza. He's a Gooner. Christ he'll never win anything
Ramar Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Christ he'll never win anything Jezza's chuffed with finishing second, it's usually fourth place for him.
Fierce_LiNk Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 I've just got home from work after a horrendous day to find all of this. Boris Johnson backing out is...such a fucking cop-out that I can't even begin to explain how pissed I am. Gove, though. Just...just no. No. Absolutely not. No. Never. Wouldn't piss on that reptilian prick if his life depended on it and I consider myself someone who isn't that hateful. I'd end him and I wouldn't even think twice about it. The fuckbag.
bob Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Wouldn't piss on that reptilian prick if his life depended on it. It's probably good for Gove then that there are very few situations where pissing on someone would save their life. Maybe if he was being stung by a large jellyfish? If he had a small, localised fire on him? If you somehow needed to assert dominance on a pack of wolves who were circling to kill Gove, and you piss on him to claim him as yours? I think he's pretty safe. Still, i can't let a post about Gove go without mentioning that he's a knobjockey and a cockwobble.
dan-likes-trees Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Don't worry - the fractured Tory government have put aside their differences and set out a clear plan for leaving the EU
bob Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Does anyone else think that "Invoking Article 50" sounds a bit like "Executing Order 66". I always imagine Cameron (or Boris, or whoever) done up like Palpatine, hissing the order out at their minions.
Pestneb Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 In fairness to Johnson, I understand Gove stabbed him in the back - sounds like Cameron and Osborne stuck him in Johnsons gang as a mole, and to execute plan B. Plan B being that if Johnson took them down, he was going down with them. He thought holding off from dealing with Article 50 was their Plan B.. but it was just a distraction, while he worked his ass off trying to politically shimmy into position, Gove publically sang Boris' praises... until the day Boris had been building up to, announcing himself as an official candidate. Gove called Boris late that morning to let Boris know that Gove was pulling his support and was running himself. Ultimate dick move. 5 Minutes later he announced Boris didn't have what it took. Boris had been taken in and hadn't moved into position to discredit Gove... Gove was too close to be dismissed. Checkmate. I think Gove is a dud candidate, May is the actual Candidate, and Gove will simply get a position under May.. possibly Osborne too if he fancies it, continue as he is... Cameron is game over, Boris is game over (should have stuck to being Mayor bojo). But yes. Conservatives can't be in power next term.. come on Labour sort yourselves out :| Or maybe.. How about N-E runs as a new alternative political party :P
Ashley Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 (should have stuck to being Mayor bojo). Don't you dare. Khan is the only good thing to happen politically for years Or maybe.. How about N-E runs as a new alternative political party :P Actually had the idea for a film about a political party being formed out of the young feeling like they keep getting shafted and boy would this period be a big part of that!
Pestneb Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Don't you dare. Khan is the only good thing to happen politically for years Apologies, I wasn't thinking. At least he did one thing right and dropped out of the london mayor job... I wonder if he will fizzle out now, or if he will linger in the shadows...
Rummy Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Interested, without wishing to be inflammatory, in what you Corbynites made of his campaigning and general presence during the referendum. It's changed how I view him, particularly after his rating his interest in staying in the EU at 7/10 seemingly confirming that he'd be happy enough with us out (I understand that in that clip he's criticizing certain aspects of the EU as an organisation rather than the idea of staying in, but I feel like a fortnight before the vote isn't the time to be offering such indifference in such a tight race) Boris pulling out is a total shocker, but to my mind a massive relief. He's a cynic and a calculating prick, but Gove or May don't seem half as electable material - could finally pave the way for a labour government, assuming a general election is held in the next year or two. But I feel like we learnt learned last election that being too far left, and having too strange a personality doesn't win elections. And for all his success in opposition, I'd put money on Corbyn, again, not having the mainstream appeal to get in office. Fair play for sticking to his principles, but if labour blow it again I'll be devastated. I think I'm increasingly coming to realise that, whilst they're all like it, Boris firmly is in it for Boris, and realises what a disaster and how shit he would be at PM. He can fluff and flounder in his comedy way quite often, but it isn't the sort of thing a PM can do. I reckon he'd like to just be at the top buddies whilst someone else is PM. Corbyn during the EU referendum? Well, tbh I'm only behind Corbyn because I find him the most relatable face being exposed to me from the world of politics. All these Labour MPs resigning - I think fuck it, let them, maybe we'll get a good shakeup and have some more representative people taken to the forefront. I don't know them, I don't think much of them, but Corbyn - despite the media and others attempts, seems to still be standing. I don't quite understand what he's supposed to have done wrong but when you've got so many people gunning for a man who's resolutely standing by his decisions - well, it just makes me wonder some. To come back to him during the referendum - what did we want or expect? I was sharing things left right and centre on facebook about it - to be mostly met with either pure agreement from other remainers, or blind resistance from a number of(not all) leavers. I didn't know enough unknowns to see what way they would be swayed - but again as I said, the 'remain' argument wasn't a particularly sexy or controversial one. Remain essentially said to maintain the status quo - and whilst so many are disillusioned with the current politicians and government when their lives are shit, trying to explain why the status quo is good is a very difficult argument to make. I think it was the guy who was on the last leg who said that many people could possibly have voted Leave because their lives feels so shit right now that they honestly didn't understand or believe that they could get any worse. I think Leave won on a large ticket of disillusionment and apathy to the current way of things. Post-referendum though I'm impressed with Corbyn despite what he's fighting against, especially with his own people. I was glad to see he sacked Hilary Benn, when usually politicians resign, and I'm glad to see he's saying he'll continue to lead the party and stand democratically if there's a leadership contest when he's been pretty much voted in by the public people - the one place they seemed to find they had control or a say in politics. I didn't join to vote for him before, but if a leadership contest comes up again then I'm seriously contemplating it. As I said of all the politicians I get exposed to - he seems to be the one that might actually be able to do or achieve the things I would like, despite basically being attacked from every single angle right now.
Blade Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Corbyn has always been anti-EU. He has never believed in it. People say he is principled and I do share that same view. He really should have just come out as a leaver (which he is) rather than fighting an half arsed campaign to remain in the EU. Post referendum, well he immediately called upon the government to invoke Art 50 even though no-one has a plan.
Kav Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Corbyn has always been anti-EU. He has never believed in it. People say he is principled and I do share that same view. He really should have just come out as a leaver (which he is) rather than fighting an half arsed campaign to remain in the EU. Post referendum, well he immediately called upon the government to invoke Art 50 even though no-one has a plan. I think he had to go in favour of Remain for the party, as they are mostly Remainers. He couldn't divide the party like Cameron and Boris did. Now imagine if the Labour MPs stood by Corbyn, this is what I think the situation would be: By calling on the Governent to invoke Article 50, he was essentially challenging them. Knowing the PM was a Remainer and not wanting to do it, it put pressure on the rest of the party whilst its in a state of limbo as the party was so split over the referendum. Given that Corbyn is a Leaver and that he's called for Article 50 to be invoked, I think he may be the only one with some sort of plan. The question is, does he outline his plan, thus giving it on a platter to the Tories for them to rescue their situation, or does he hold his cards to his chest, put pressure on the government to see it fracture further and then take advantage of the mess to push Labour to the forefront..? Only now the Labour MPs are revolting and causing a divide amongst the party which rips up any form of plan that they may have had and balances out the problems in both Labour and the Tories instead of pushing Labour to the fore. The public voted to Leave, so leaving is on the table. If we do, things will get worse before they get better. Corbyn is the only politician I have faith in doing the right thing for the common man during those times!
Ashley Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 This is a good read: https://m.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/4qqzyb/its_not_undemocratic_to_resist_the_brexit_result/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true
Pestneb Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) 1)Sure, we can vote to return to the EU at some point in the future. 2)the UKIP got a lot of votes too.. I'm sure they supported the referendum... also, seeing how many people voted leave, it would suggest that the referendum was something that on balance the population wanted. 3)Nor could you have said which Bremain campaign would have won. If you split the leave vote you'd have to split the remain vote too. 4)Well.. point 1 he says that our democracy failed because the elected leader didn't have a mandate. Then this point suggest that the non mandate gave that same man the right to unilaterally go back on his election manifesto and declare we would stay in the EU? I agree David was an idiot to call the referendum, but in calling it he was in fact using his power, given to him by the people to call the referendum 5)We did have a vote on electoral reform. Tbh I personally am reasonably happy with the fptp system... I just feel the boundaries should be more fairly set (and not by an individual party). The end though, I do agree with. Once we know the position of the government I think it would be fair to spell out what exactly leave would mean and put it to a second vote... although perhaps make that one legally binding. Whether that will happen is another question. May did vote remain though... so... we shall see. (I am praying that mollusc Gove doesn't get in.. if he does then the country has a far bigger issue to contend with than leaving the EU!) Apparently: More than a third of voters are not convinced the UK will leave the EU despite last week's referendum result, a poll for BBC Newsnight suggests. Britain voted by a margin of 52% to 48% to leave the EU after 43 years - and the contenders to replace David Cameron as PM have all vowed make it happen. But 22% of people polled for Newsnight said they don't know if it will, while 16% believe the UK will stay in the EU. Ipsos MORI interviewed 1,077 people between Wednesday and Thursday. The poll also suggests almost half of voters - 48% - agree there should be a general election before Britain begins Brexit negotiations so that people can vote on plans for life outside the EU. Edited July 1, 2016 by Pestneb
dan-likes-trees Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Corbyn during the EU referendum? Well, tbh I'm only behind Corbyn because I find him the most relatable face being exposed to me from the world of politics. All these Labour MPs resigning - I think fuck it, let them, maybe we'll get a good shakeup and have some more representative people taken to the forefront. I don't know them, I don't think much of them, but Corbyn - despite the media and others attempts, seems to still be standing. I don't quite understand what he's supposed to have done wrong but when you've got so many people gunning for a man who's resolutely standing by his decisions - well, it just makes me wonder some. To come back to him during the referendum - what did we want or expect? I was sharing things left right and centre on facebook about it - to be mostly met with either pure agreement from other remainers, or blind resistance from a number of(not all) leavers. I didn't know enough unknowns to see what way they would be swayed - but again as I said, the 'remain' argument wasn't a particularly sexy or controversial one. Remain essentially said to maintain the status quo - and whilst so many are disillusioned with the current politicians and government when their lives are shit, trying to explain why the status quo is good is a very difficult argument to make. I think it was the guy who was on the last leg who said that many people could possibly have voted Leave because their lives feels so shit right now that they honestly didn't understand or believe that they could get any worse. I think Leave won on a large ticket of disillusionment and apathy to the current way of things. Post-referendum though I'm impressed with Corbyn despite what he's fighting against, especially with his own people. I was glad to see he sacked Hilary Benn, when usually politicians resign, and I'm glad to see he's saying he'll continue to lead the party and stand democratically if there's a leadership contest when he's been pretty much voted in by the public people - the one place they seemed to find they had control or a say in politics. I didn't join to vote for him before, but if a leadership contest comes up again then I'm seriously contemplating it. As I said of all the politicians I get exposed to - he seems to be the one that might actually be able to do or achieve the things I would like, despite basically being attacked from every single angle right now. Yeah but the people who are engaged or interested in the issue are the ones who would comment - I'd imagine the floating voters and the easily swayed might be less vocal on the topic, but it doesn't mean they're not influenced by what people say. I'm certain that a strong, vocal leader of opposition (and crucially one who is actually interested in staying in) could have made their mark on the outcome, in the same way that Boris and Farage ultimately did. Completely agree that the outcome was won on anger and dissillusionment, but to my mind that was partly because there was such an absence of a positive case case for the EU by anyone in the run up - which I don't think is impossible to make. Cameron, Osbourne, Corbyn's arguments always seemed to critisise the EU at the same time as promoting it. By the way, whilst the status quo is hard to argue for, it didn't stop the Torys winning last year's election, even despite four years of austerity and the promise of four more (plus Brexit and all that entails). Also, I feel as though those half baked remain arguements conjured a general sense of apathy around the whole remain campaign. It seemed to lack urgency, and though the turnout was obviously extremely high, you got the sense that every single person who wanted to leave went to vote - not the case with remain. So what did I expect from him? A passionate, positive case for staying in that would've convinced more people to go out and vote, whilst gathering some floating voters. Perhaps actually working with Cameron to really make a point. When a one percent swing would've changed the result, I found it an appalling attitude. As Blade says, it seems much more likely that he's just generally anti-EU - which personally is enough to lose my vote, even now that the poll's passed. I think he had to go in favour of Remain for the party, as they are mostly Remainers. He couldn't divide the party like Cameron and Boris did. Isn't having three quarters of your MPs voting no confidence in the leader dividing the party? 20 cabinet members resigning? The labour party is more of a mess than the Torys right now. I'd have much preferred if he'd been honest about his views on the EU than pretending to support his party, which is overwhelmingly pro-EU.
Kav Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 @dan\-likes\-trees yes the party is divided now, I mentioned that in my post. I was just saying that it was best for the party at the time to unite under one side, remain or leave, especially so because the Tories had split!
dan-likes-trees Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 @dan\-likes\-trees yes the party is divided now, I mentioned that in my post. I was just saying that it was best for the party at the time to unite under one side, remain or leave, especially so because the Tories had split! Yeah but my point was that he wasn't uniting the party under one side - he was doing the bare minimum expected to support the overwhelming majority view of his party - both MPs and supporters - but putting in so little effort that it ultimately did divide the party after the fact. And what does best for the party mean anyway? It clearly didn't help in the short of long term..
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