Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Eddage said: But what harm does it do? If you don't need the new revision to play the games then it shouldn't matter, just don't buy it... If at some point in the future it comes to the stage where there are MAJOR differences between the games, not just looks a bit prettier and runs a bit smoother then I agree it would be bad but at this moment in time, with the facts we have, everyone just seems to be jumping to conclusions. All this is is a nice extra for people who want it and I don't believe it will impact those who don't buy it, just like with games developed for PC which look better and run better if you have a top of the range PC but still play fine on cheaper systems. It's just a shitty thing for Playstation to do. People buy their console expecting certain mileage out of it, and 30 million people are now being told sorry, you've now got old tech, spend another 300 quid and our top of the range console, again.
drahkon Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: and 30 million people are now being told sorry, you've now got old tech, spend another 300 quid and our top of the range console, again. They're not, though. Sony tells the user base: You have the option to buy a an improved console.
Eddage Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: It's just a shitty thing for Playstation to do. People buy their console expecting certain mileage out of it, and 30 million people are now being told sorry, you've now got old tech, spend another 300 quid and our top of the range console, again. But no one NEEDS to buy the new one, they'll still be getting all the games they would have gotten if NEO wasn't a thing. I personally think it's great, if people want to spend the money to get a prettier version they can, if not they'll just get the same version that they would have bought anyway. Also you keep mentioning Sony shortening the generations. If anything I believe this will mean the PS4 generation will last longer. The need for the PS5 won't be as great because of the NEO. If this launches at the end of this year then that's three years after the PS4, so it's not unreasonable to think that it would be another three years at least until we see the PS5, meaning a six year generation. Certainly better than the four years between Wii U and NX (assuming NX releases at the end of this year).
Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Quote You don't help yourself though when it comes to the agenda thing. You lied in the Uncharted 4 thread, you out of nowhere posted a negative review in The Division thread (your first post in there) without any substantial commentary, you were moaning about your Vita (fine) and then said "maybe I'm just used to the 3DS always working" which comes across as petty point scoring. Maybe in these cases you didn't mean to provoke, but they're often dropped in without context, expansion and often never followed up when questioned. It makes you come across as someone that intentionally tries to provoke. Lied in the Uncharted 4 thread?? Because I mistakenly wrote weeks instead of months? That was a typo. My post in the Division thread was a little mischievous I'll admit, poking fun at just how every other AAA game these days seems to be an openworld shooter/RPG, but plenty do similar when they say the Wii U had nothing but platformers or bring up (recently) the lack of voice chat in Splatoon as bait/a joke. As for the complaints about my Vita, the way it wouldn't run games was just bizarre. The last time I'd ever experienced something like that was having to blow in NES cartridges. I really was just used to games working on Nintendo consoles. Quote People are criticising Sony in this thread (drahkon, kav, DCubed) but are doing so in a more reasonable manner. Do people complain for pages and pages whenever someone says "Thanks a lot Nintendo" or "f off Nintendo"? No. Other forum members have shared their disbelief at how much grief I'm getting for venting. At that particular moment in time, I was angry. It really isn't that big a deal. People are just far too defensive when it comes to Playstation, the slightest bit of complaining and everyone has a go. Eg: my complaints about the PS4 OS being ridiculed. Quote Your concern seems to be that more people are fond of Sony this generation than Nintendo and I'm sorry but that is not the fault of this forum. I have no problem with people being more fond of Playstation this generation, it's obvious every day on this message board. What I do have a problem with are the double standards which I'm sorry are clear for all to see. drahkon said: They're not, though. Sony tells the user base: You have the option to buy a an improved console. It's just a shitty way of treating the 30 million people who supported your console, subjecting them to an inferior product for the next few years. At least these leaks give them two months to think of a good PR message... Edited April 20, 2016 by Ronnie Automerged Doublepost
Eddage Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: I have no problem with people being more fond of Playstation this generation, it's obvious every day on this message board. What I do have a problem with are the double standards which I'm sorry are clear for all to see. No, they are apparently clear for you to incorrectly perceive. There are no double standards. (I know I'm not helping but I don't care anymore) Ronnie said: It's just a shitty way of treating the 30 million people who supported your console, subjecting them to an inferior product for the next few years. At least these leaks give them two months to think of a good PR message... But it doesn't matter, the games that would have been released on the base PS4 are not going to suddenly become shit just because slightly better versions are available!
Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Eddage said: But it doesn't matter, the games that would have been released on the base PS4 are not going to suddenly become shit just because slightly better versions are available! No but there's going to be a better version out there, for all those suckers who spend another 300 quid.
drahkon Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: It's just a shitty way of treating the 30 million people who supported your console, subjecting them to an inferior product for the next few years. At least these leaks give them two months to think of a good PR message... That "inferior" product is pretty damn great, though. And so far Sony hasn't announced anything so right now they aren't treating anybody in a shitty way. Just wait and see what this new console will be and how they'll announce/market it. If they fuck it up, they have no one but themselves to blame. If they sell another 30 million of the new console and "standard" PS4 consoles continue to sell they did everything right. Time will tell. Ronnie said: No but there's going to be a better version out there, for all those suckers who spend another 300 quid. And for those who don't spend another whatever the price will be NOTHING has changed...
Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 I hope whoever double dips remembers how the gaming industry cried with laughter over this, because it's basically what you're paying for a Playstation console this gen:
drahkon Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: I hope whoever double dips remembers how the gaming industry cried with laughter over this, because it's basically what you're paying for a Playstation console this gen Can't you see how wrong you are? It's what you would pay for two consoles. If the PS4.5 gets release I won't buy it, yet I'd own a PlayStation console this gen and wouldn't have paid what you posted there. What if the NX was a hybrid and comes in two iterations: one home console for 250-300 bucks and one portable device for 200-250 bucks. Would you be upset, too?
Eddage Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: No but there's going to be a better version out there, for all those suckers who spend another 300 quid. SO DON'T BUY IT THEN! No one is forcing you to upgrade, you can still play all the same games without buying it. It is not the end of a generation, like I said earlier, if anything, it is an attempt to lengthen the current one.
Ashley Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Ronnie said: Lied in the Uncharted 4 thread?? Because I mistakenly wrote weeks instead of months? That was a typo. My post in the Division thread was a little mischievous I'll admit, poking fun at just how every other AAA game these days seems to be an openworld shooter/RPG, but plenty do similar when they say the Wii U had nothing but platformers or bring up (recently) the lack of voice chat in Splatoon as bait/a joke. As for the complaints about my Vita, the way it wouldn't run games was just bizarre. The last time I'd ever experienced something like that was having to blow in NES cartridges. I really was just used to games working on Nintendo consoles. You could have had the decency to go back in and say you made a mistake, otherwise yes it appears like a lie. Your post in The Division thread was an intentional bait, which is against the rules. When raised you then 'justified' it by saying "As much bait as "The Wii U has nothing but 2D platformers' was". If you search for "The Wii U has nothing but 2D platformers" across the whole forum yours is the only post that comes up. Yes it's a specific quote but it does show how you have a habit of misremembering or misinterpreting situations (its fine, it's human). Ronnie said: Do people complain for pages and pages whenever someone says "Thanks a lot Nintendo" or "f off Nintendo"? No. Because as I have proved people do not say this. Ronnie said: Other forum members have shared their disbelief at how much grief I'm getting for venting. If you wish to play this game, other forum members have complained about how much grief you are giving. Not just in this thread or the NX but other threads recently. Ronnie said: At that particular moment in time, I was angry. It really isn't that big a deal. People are just far too defensive when it comes to Playstation, the slightest bit of complaining and everyone has a go. Eg: my complaints about the PS4 OS being ridiculed. As others have said in this thread, you are complaining that Sony is "making" people update and the PS4 games will now look "shitty". Both of these are untrue. You may feel that Sony is making you update. You may feel that the PS4 games will look comparatively shitty but Sony is not forcing anyone to update (a lot of people in this thread are saying they won't update and nobody from Sony is knocking on their door) and the PS4 games will still look the same as they did a month ago before this all started. Please can you provide me with some examples of being ridiculed and I shall follow up. Ronnie said: I have no problem with people being more fond of Playstation this generation, it's obvious every day on this message board. What I do have a problem with are the double standards which I'm sorry are clear for all to see. This is where I stopped trying to reason with you and got frustrated again. I previously told you that until you can provide clear proof that this is happening - that unjustified criticism is encouraged, celebrated and revelled in while Sony criticism is shut down like you claim - stop saying stuff like it is "clear for all to see" because you seem to be the only one seeing it. Saying "it is clear" does not make it clear. I have now given you two warnings about this. You are skating on thin ice. Not just because of this, but because of past issues. You are clearly not listening to me. Ronnie said: It's just a shitty way of treating the 30 million people who supported your console, subjecting them to an inferior product for the next few years. Let other people decide if they feel they're being treated in a shitty way. You can feel like you're being treated like shit. Others can. They will. People will. You have proven this with your opinions and with that video and previous mentions to IGN. What you have not, and categorically cannot, proven is 30 million people are feeling like they're being treated in a shitty way. Right now I feel like you're treating me in a shitty way, but does this make it a universal truth? Ronnie said: No but there's going to be a better version out there, for all those suckers who spend another 300 quid. There's a better version of my tablet out there, I have chosen not to buy it. There's about 10 years of better versions of my TV out there, I have chosen not to buy it. There's a better version of my ipad out there, I have chosen not to buy it. There's better versions of my laptop out there, I have chosen not to buy it. Someone who chooses to spend money is not a sucker. They are an individual with their own capacity to make decisions. You calling them suckers for choosing to do so is rude. Edited April 20, 2016 by Ashley
Nolan Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: As I said, nothing wrong with that, unpleasant as it is, my issue is when I post complaints in the PS4 thread (no folders, no online friend popups, no activity log etc...) I get shot down and accused of having an agenda and people compare and ridicule the Wii U instead. It's taken them far too long (years I'd say) but I believe with the latest firmware they've added popups for when friends come online and finally added appearing offline. Folders could be nice but I personally don't see the point, and I'm not sure what you mean by no activity log. I was under the impression that under a users profile there was a category to show their recent activities. Ronnie said: It's just a shitty thing for Playstation to do. People buy their console expecting certain mileage out of it, and 30 million people are now being told sorry, you've now got old tech, spend another 300 quid and our top of the range console, again. In the PC side of things its somewhat standard operating procedure. A 3 year old GPU right now can still play games, but to really get the most every year or two is an upgrade. Granted on the console side of things, people get and want a console that just works and delivers perfectly acceptable performance. They don't want the headache or cost of staying cutting edge which is what this console essentially is. Just an upgrade to stay a little closer to the cutting edge. It is a shitty thing to do, but current trends are pointing towards consoles possibly becoming more modular and PC-lite in terms of hardware.
Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 drahkon said: Can't you see how wrong you are?It's what you would pay for two consoles. If the PS4.5 gets release I won't buy it, yet I'd own a PlayStation console this gen and wouldn't have paid what you posted there. What if the NX was a hybrid and comes in two iterations: one home console for 250-300 bucks and one portable device for 200-250 bucks. Would you be upset, too? No because I'm buying two separate devices that do two separate things. Glad to hear you won't buy the PS4.5, I hope you enjoy the next three or four years knowing the games you're playing could look much better on Sony's top of the line PS4. Eddage said: SO DON'T BUY IT THEN! No one is forcing you to upgrade, you can still play all the same games without buying it. It is not the end of a generation, like I said earlier, if anything, it is an attempt to lengthen the current one. It's just a terrible way to treat your consumers and the people who've supported you from the beginning.
Sheikah Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Ronnie said: It's just a shitty thing for Playstation to do. People buy their console expecting certain mileage out of it, and 30 million people are now being told sorry, you've now got old tech, spend another 300 quid and our top of the range console, again. And those people are still getting the mileage out of it. Because according to what we have heard, there will be no exclusive PS4 games. If this is indeed the case then those people will still get a full console life of games running at the graphical level they bought into. In that sense, nobody has been duped, and the mileage has not diminished; if anything I can see this generation lasting even longer now due to a revised console keeping it relevant for longer. What I don't understand is why you are seemingly so livid over the PS4K rumours and yet I heard absolutely nothing like this from you regarding the N3DS. The N3DS was worse than the PS4K because unlike what we know so far about the PS4K, the N3DS did segregate its audience by having exclusive games. It was a clear technical upgrade (reducing load times, smoother OS) and also ran games better, to the point it could actually run them (unlike the older model). You only need to look at Xenoblade Chronicles running on N3DS to see that the system was much more capable. That to me is a much bigger shafting as you expect your system to run all the games released on that brand...yet, seemingly you were not nearly as bothered by it. Edited April 20, 2016 by Sheikah
drahkon Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: No because I'm buying two separate devices that do two separate things. They play games...possibly the same games because that would be the crux of the hybrid aspect. So how do they do separate things? Quote Glad to hear you won't buy the PS4.5, I hope you enjoy the next three or four years knowing the games you're playing could look much better on Sony's top of the line PS4. First of all: We don't know how much better games would look on the new PS4, if they even do at all... Secondly: I'll be very happy with everything the standard PS4 has in store There's so much coming out that I will enjoy a lot and nothing will change that.
Retro_Link Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: No but there's going to be a better version out there, for all those suckers who spend another 300 quid.Sorry Ronnie but the NEW 3DS version of Hyrule Warriors runs perfectly, whilst the 3DS version has fewer enemies and you can't even turn on 3D... What's been frustrating me today is you don't even seem to be factoring in that we do not even have confirmation of what the PS4K is. Everything is hyperbole, absolutes and assumptions. I don't see why you're taking it upon yourself to get so worked up over rumours. For all you know Sony will give you £200 off a PS4K if you buy one. They may not at all, but the fact is that's just as likely a statement right now. And really, why do you suddenly care about a few up-scaled textures and the like? You were happy playing Wii games whilst the PS3 and 360 were in HD. And every multiplatform game on the Wii and Wii U for the last 8 years has been an inferior version. You and others still buy them.
Eddage Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: It's just a terrible way to treat your consumers and the people who've supported you from the beginning. Or its a fantastic way to treat your customers who want to play prettier games on newer tech. And those that aren't worried about that are in exactly the same position they would be in if it was never released.
Blade Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: No because I'm buying two separate devices that do two separate things. Glad to hear you won't buy the PS4.5, I hope you enjoy the next three or four years knowing the games you're playing could look much better on Sony's top of the line PS4. It's just a terrible way to treat your consumers and the people who've supported you from the beginning. Have I missed something? Has it been confirmed yet by Sony? Please could someone @ me when it does. Until then @drahkon doesn't know whether his games could look so much better on the PS4k as (to my knowledge, please tell me if i'm wrong) it has yet to be confirmed. I think Ronnie its the language you use. Its fine being pissed off with rumours and not wanting them to be true. Its fine to express your disappointment with rumours. The problem is that you express your disappointment as if what the PS4k can do as fact when everything is still unconfirmed. Its like you don't even acknowledge they are runours but instead just have the intention to get a reaction. Has Sony even confirmed the existence of the PS4k?
Ashley Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Blade said: Has Sony even confirmed the existence of the PS4k? Not officially. It is very unlikely they will do it until E3 (or maybe just before E3).
Sheikah Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Eddage said: Or its a fantastic way to treat your customers who want to play prettier games on newer tech. And those that aren't worried about that are in exactly the same position they would be in if it was never released. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense for them to do this, at least for their own interests. End of generation is a risky time when people may cross sides, as they did PS2 to 360 and similarly 360 to PS4. Rather than take a gamble sooner with the PS5 with many unknowns it makes quite a bit of sense to extend the life of a generation that is doing awfully well for you. I still think that there is potential positive in this for non-PS4K adopters, if these rumours are true - this could keep the generation going for longer, including for base model owners. Edited April 20, 2016 by Sheikah
Ronnie Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Sheikah said: What I don't understand is why you are seemingly so livid over the PS4K rumours and yet I heard absolutely nothing like this from you regarding the N3DS. The N3DS was worse than the PS4K because unlike what we know so far about the PS4K, the N3DS did segregate its audience by having exclusive games. It was a clear technical upgrade (reducing load times, smoother OS) and also ran games better, to the point it could actually run them (unlike the older model). You only need to look at Xenoblade Chronicles running on N3DS to see that the system was much more capable. That to me is a much bigger shafting as you expect your system to run all the games released on that brand...yet, seemingly you were not nearly as bothered by it. The new 3DS was released four years after the original, not two and a half to three and apart from Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors Legends, games look exactly the same on both. The PS4K will have two modes for every game, original, and upgraded. Retro_Link said: For all you know Sony will give you £200 off a PS4K if you buy one. They may not at all, but the fact is that's just as likely a statement right now. Given the backlash out there at the moment about these PS4K leaks they may very well be planning something like that. I hope so anyway, that would certainly make up for things in my mind. Eddage said: Or its a fantastic way to treat your customers who want to play prettier games on newer tech. The PS4K is a "fantastic way to treat their customers"? Do you honestly believe that? It's a fantastic way to treat customers who don't have a PS4, for sure. Everyone else, not so much. Blade said: Has Sony even confirmed the existence of the PS4k? They'll confirm it at E3. The fine print and PR will be interesting. Ashley said: You could have had the decency to go back in and say you made a mistake, otherwise yes it appears like a lie. You call me a liar, because of one typo, and then complain that I'm treating you in a shitty way? I should "have the decency" to go back and correct this "lie"?? It was obvious to anyone reading my post that it was inaccurate. I hadn't been back in the Uncharted 4 thread until today when I've only just realised my typo. Next time someone makes an obvious error while typing like saying the release of Starfox is out in a couple of weeks instead of a couple of days, are you going to call them a liar as well? Quote If you search for "The Wii U has nothing but 2D platformers" across the whole forum yours is the only post that comes up. You're honestly telling me I'm the only person who said that? That sentiment has been said over the past year or so at least a dozen times. Want proof? Here you go... Quote Now we have 2D platformers everywhere and if they're not 2D, they're semi-3D like Mario 3D World. Quote The online infrastructure is pales in comparison to what is offered elsewhere - no party chat, no streaming, the over reliance on platformers and party games - people want to see variety Quote This conversation is all that is wrong with the Wii U... platformers, platformers and platformers! Quote A lot of their games are platformers, or games we have seen from them before Quote It doesen't matter. 2D platformers are still waaaay to big of a part of Nintendo's lineup. Quote The system has a lot of the same kind of stuff (much of which is 2D platformers) Quote The only genre Nintendo dominate is 2D platformers. Quote it's not just the droughts, but the fact that for about a year all they released were bloody platformers. Quote Also with regards to variety, they do release too many platformers, and they're beginning to bore me a little at the minute Quote The Wii U catalogue is already saturated to the max with platformers That's after a very quick search, there's probably far better examples out there. Quote people do not say this. Yes they do. You posted people saying those exact words. Quote until you can provide clear proof that this is happening I bring it up every time it happens. Apologies, I'm not about to spend even more time trawling through an entire message board looking for more examples. From now on I'll flag them up and PM them at a later date if you'd like.
Retro_Link Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Could you just clarify this part of my post @Ronnie, because it's puzzling... Quote And really, why do you suddenly care about a few up-scaled textures and the like? You were happy playing Wii games whilst the PS3 and 360 were in HD. And every multiplatform game on the Wii and Wii U for the last 8 years has been an inferior version. You and others still buy them.
Ashley Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Ronnie said: The PS4K will have two modes for every game, original, and upgraded. The developers will have the option to do this according to the rumour. Ronnie said: You call me a liar, because of one typo, and then complain that I'm treating you in a shitty way? I should "have the decency" to go back and correct this "lie"?? It was obvious to anyone reading my post that it was inaccurate. I hadn't been back in the Uncharted 4 thread until today when I've only just realised my typo. Next time someone makes an obvious error while typing like saying the release of Starfox is out in a couple of weeks instead of a couple of days, are you going to call them a liar as well? It's not like the post was yesterday, there has been sufficent time since then and you get notified when quoted. Furthermore saying you haven't looked since suggests you do just pop into threads to annoy others but not willing to stick around to debate. Ronnie said: You're honestly telling me I'm the only person who said that? That sentiment has been said over the past year or so at least a dozen times. Want proof? Here you go... No I explicitly stated that you are the only one to use that "exact phrase". Not that nobody has said something similar, but you have a habit of getting a belief stuck in your mind (that phrase) and run with it without checking. Ronnie said: Yes they do. You posted people saying those exact words. People said it about being hit by a blue shell (they weren't actually annoyed with Nintendo), an understocked accessory (reasonable to be annoyed) and an understocked limited promotion (again reasonable given that it was first come first served but as a customer you can't guarantee when you will get a delivery). Ronnie said: I bring it up every time it happens. Apologies, I'm not about to spend even more time trawling through an entire message board looking for more examples. From now on I'll flag them up and PM them at a later date if you'd like. When did it happen in the last post since you said this. And this still doesn't acknowledge the point I had. I told you to stop saying this until you can prove it. You continue to ignore this.
Sheikah Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Ronnie said: The new 3DS was released four years after the original, not two and a half to three and apart from Xenoblade and Hyrule Warriors Legends, games look exactly the same on both. The PS4K will have two modes for every game, original, and upgraded. Oh wait - you forgot SNES games! N3DS only also. And Xenoblade does not run at all on the old 3DS, while Hyrule Warriors has modified gameplay and runs comparatively poorly on the old system. Many games also show much reduced load times on N3DS and the OS of the system is much snappier. Again, a technical jump. Don't just use resolution as your judge. Contrast this to the PS4K which will apparently not receive gameplay altered versions (again, according to these rumours). So the PS4K is a less divisive system on all accounts there. Every base PS4 owner can apparently still play all games...not the case with the N3DS. Base PS4 will have been out probably at least 3 years by the time the PS4K comes out...3+ years vs 4. Don't see the reason for anywhere near the level of outrage you have given the favourable comparison to the N3DS, which seems to bother you not at all. Edited April 20, 2016 by Sheikah
Ronnie Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Retro_Link said: Could you just clarify this part of my post @Ronnie, because it's puzzling... Wii to 360 and PS3 is very different, they're totally different consoles. It's just the idea that there'll be an upgraded console out there, that really didn't need to happen, that Playstation will have released out of the blue. I just think it's a bit duplicitous and a poor way to treat your customers. For me personally, I would have just waited a year and got the new model had I known this was going to happen, but more generally it'll be annoying playing games, knowing there's an upgraded version of it in there. It just doesn't feel right. It's also a really bizarre thing for Sony to do, especially when they've got everyone on board this gen and the PS4 is well in the lead. Ashley said: It's not like the post was yesterday, there has been sufficent time since then and you get notified when quoted. Furthermore saying you haven't looked since suggests you do just pop into threads to annoy others but not willing to stick around to debate. So you call me a liar, then tell me not only should I have acknowledged and admitted the typo, but also that I should have stuck around and posted more, even though there was nothing else to talk about at that time. No more footage, no new info. And you say I treat you like shit? I don't check my notifications, and the frequency I visit threads is up to me. I stick around and debate in lots of threads, I'd even posted a number of times in that topic before mentioning the delay. Quote No I explicitly stated that you are the only one to use that "exact phrase". Ok? Great. I used those exact words, erm, cool. I was suggesting the sentiment had been repeated over and over, not the exact word-for-word phrasing. Quote I told you to stop saying this until you can prove it. You continue to ignore this. I really don't have the time or motivation to scour the whole message board to prove something that I bring up (to deaf ears) every time, but sure, I won't mention it again until it happens again. Quote People said it about being hit by a blue shell (they weren't actually annoyed with Nintendo), an understocked accessory (reasonable to be annoyed) and an understocked limited promotion (again reasonable given that it was first come first served but as a customer you can't guarantee when you will get a delivery). They also said it about Nintendo not supporting the circle pad pro, not having an F-Zero game in ages, having the e-Shop run slowly, GBA games on the Wii U not 3DS, the 2DS reveal, Gamecube controller shortages... Now who's picking and choosing. Sheikah said: Don't see the reason for anywhere near the level of outrage you have given the favourable comparison to the N3DS, which seems to bother you not at all. Because A Link Between Worlds runs exactly the same on both consoles. Majora's Mask runs exactly the same. Mario 3D Land runs exactly the same and the new Kirby game will run exactly the same. One exclusive game and a SNES*virtual console doesn't stand up to the next four (?) years of improved graphics and resolution in every single game on the PS4K. Edited April 21, 2016 by Ronnie Automerged Doublepost
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