Sheikah Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) You know that we've never had such similar hardware before, so there's no point in asking that question from me. The point is that these past consoles that were cheaper didn't win purely because they were cheaper. In fact, the PS1 is a perfect example of a console that wasn't winning, even when it was cheaper (which would later go on to win because of other, more important factors). Bolded part - this has never been a point that has been argued here? I never said all consoles would win out purely because they were cheaper. Rather that in all the other examples you have given, there were significant other reasons why those more expensive consoles did better (out 2 years earlier, better software support, Japanese games, DVD drive). Many reasons and big reasons, too. The main argument here is that those sorts of differences aren't present between the PS4/X1, so now cost really does come into play. The initial huge cost difference for what many perceived to be similar products, as well as the marketing, I think had the biggest effect on what happened. I really don't think the DRM debacle reached Joe Public like it did us. You've got to remember that places like NeoGAF are a small and dedicated base of gamers that don't really speak for all gamers, I really doubt most gamers (who make up the FIFA/COD base) even read gaming blogs! Edited September 23, 2014 by Sheikah
Cookyman Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Regardless of what you all think, the fact of the matter is that your arguing has caused the most activity this thread has seen in weeks. There are a mere handful of Xbone owners in this community and they normally have little to talk about.
Dcubed Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) Bolded part - this has never been a point that has been argued here? I never said it would win out purely because it was cheaper, just that in all the other examples you have given, there were significant reasons why those more expensive consoles did better (out 2 years earlier, better software support, Japanese games, DVD drive). Many reasons and big reasons, too. The differences between the consoles here are much smaller, it's mostly down to the initial huge cost difference for what many perceived to be similar products, as well as the marketing. I really don't think the DRM debacle reached Joe Public like it did us. You've got to remember that NeoGAF is a microcosm, I really doubt most gamers (who make up the FIFA/COD base) even read gaming blogs! Yeah, you're right about these differences being much smaller than the past and you're right about these sites not really being representitive of the market at large, but these kinds of stories spread wide and fast these days. The used games video that Sony out out during E3 ended up getting around 4 million views for instance, while many newspapers worldwide were also commenting on the DRM story. Then there's pretty much every gaming focused website and magazine out there and even mainstream news sites like BBC and CNN commenting on the DRM fiasco... But it's not Joe Shmoe who is going to lineup on launch day to get their hands on a console anyway, they'd be buying the console later on. It's that fanatic core audience who would be buying in during that launch window and generating that wind of change. They were the start of the snowball that has continued to roll to this day. And while the price difference is a big factor in that, I'm sure that it's something that could've been overcome if MS had not shot themselves in the foot from the get-go. Remember that MS was the victor from the last generation and coming off from a position of power. They had the reputation for the better online service and the platform of choice for shooters and open world games (the two most popular genres from last gen) and had the more popular console of the two last gen (despite being seen as the weaker console of the two at the start of last gen "Xbox 1.5" and all that), even with Kinect jacking the price up to PS3+ levels on top of being the only one of the two charging for online play last gen. They had the mindshare advantage right up until the great E3 fuckup where they threw it all away. Going into this gen, Sony was the challenger. Without the DRM fiasco on MS' side, they were going into this gen at a disadvantage from a mindshare standpoint and I don't think that price/specs alone would've been enough to turn the tide in their favour. Plus there was also the poor support given to the Vita that people were unhappy with them about too, so that only made things worse for them going into this console gen... Regardless of what you all think, the fact of the matter is that your arguing has caused the most activity this thread has seen in weeks. There are a mere handful of Xbone owners in this community and they normally have little to talk about. Heh, yeah. It is kinda sad to see people not using this thread for much, but I do admit that it IS fun to talk about why MS are in the current situation they're in. Would be nice to see some more positive talk in this thread... Edited September 23, 2014 by Dcubed
Sheikah Posted September 23, 2014 Posted September 23, 2014 Yeah, you're right about these differences being much smaller than the past and you're right about these sites not really being representitive of the market at large, but these kinds of stories spread wide and fast these days. The used games video that Sony out out during E3 ended up getting around 4 million views for instance, while many newspapers worldwide were also commenting on the DRM story. Then there's pretty much every gaming focused website and magazine out there and even mainstream news sites like BBC and CNN commenting on the DRM fiasco... But it's not Joe Shmoe who is going to lineup on launch day to get their hands on a console anyway, they'd be buying the console later on. It's that fanatic core audience who would be buying in during that launch window and generating that wind of change. They were the start of the snowball that has continued to roll to this day. Sony shifted a bucket load of consoles very quickly while it was still £80 cheaper. It was advertised in game shops on the high street and people were hungry for the next gen as the previous gen had gone on too long. Not just core gamers who were incensed with MS, but far more people who probably factored that very little. Remastered games on the new consoles were charting number 1 - people were there! Short story, it was selling to far more people than just those incensed by a (revoked) decision made by Microsoft. That price! £350 was a pretty attractive price point for a new piece of powerful kit that could replace your wheezing old PS3 or 360. £430 was pretty insane! Why pay £80 more for a worse machine?
flameboy Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Regardless of what you all think, the fact of the matter is that your arguing has caused the most activity this thread has seen in weeks. There are a mere handful of Xbone owners in this community and they normally have little to talk about. There's the reason I barely post here anymore! I got an Xbox One because there is a bigger Microsoft presence here but this place doesn't service me anymore!
Cookyman Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 There's the reason I barely post here anymore! I got an Xbox One because there is a bigger Microsoft presence here but this place doesn't service me anymore! We miss you Flamey, we do. We miss you Flamey, we do. We miss you Flamey, we do. Oh Flamey we miss you. (so flog the Xbone and get a PS4) XXX
Nintenchris Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Maybe you guys should join us on the Xbox one
Happenstance Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 I already have. Biggest gaming mistake of my life. Hate the thing.
Cookyman Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Maybe you guys should join us on the Xbox one Edited September 24, 2014 by Cookyman
Nintenchris Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 See this is the reason why no one posts , not because the Xbox one is bad
Cookyman Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 See this is the reason why no one posts , not because the Xbox one is bad @Happenstance would disagree with that I already have. Biggest gaming mistake of my life. Hate the thing. Anyway I'll say no more on the matter. *runs away*
Nintenchris Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Each to there own. You won't ever catch me in the ps4 thread talking shit tho.
flameboy Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 We miss you Flamey, we do. We miss you Flamey, we do. We miss you Flamey, we do. Oh Flamey we miss you. (so flog the Xbone and get a PS4) XXX LOL. I will get a PS4 one day...but it may be a long way off nothing exclusive tempting me right yet plus it would need a price drop! At this point I think I will likely get a Wii U when Zelda eventually comes out and then trade that in for a PS4.
Sheikah Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Each to there own. You won't ever catch me in the ps4 thread talking shit tho. Because you haven't owned a PS4? :p
dazzybee Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Each to there own. You won't ever catch me in the ps4 thread talking shit tho. They do it in the Wii u thread too. Boring isn't it! baitbaitbait
Nintenchris Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 They do it in the Wii u thread too. Boring isn't it! baitbaitbait Makes for a hostile environment
flameboy Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Because you haven't owned a PS4? :p Like how some of the people who don't own Xbox One's were talking shit in here!
Happenstance Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I assume Sheikah was talking about me owning all 3 and hating the Xbox One.
Sheikah Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Like how some of the people who don't own Xbox One's were talking shit in here! Well, his post about that seemed to be made in direct response to Happenstance's, yet he has owned an X1 and was criticising it based on his experience. Hence my reply.
flameboy Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Well, his post about that seemed to be made in direct response to Happenstance's, yet he has owned an X1 and was criticising it based on his experience. Hence my reply. I don't think it was....it was in response to Cookyman!
Cookyman Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I don't think it was....it was in response to Cookyman! Me? I didn't shit on the Xbone.
Esequiel Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 If my Xbone hadn't broke like 3 times id have still had it.
flameboy Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 Ok so as many people will know @Nintenchris and myself are once again doing Extra Life and we want as many people to join in the fun in some way shape or form. We are currently trying to plan out "events" of sorts so people know what they can watch when and where...but more importantly join in! So question what games would people want to join in playing? FIFA 15 Titanfall Destiny Dead Rising 3 (both regular and I still have to try the crazy turbo alpha + DLC) Forza Forza Horizon NFS Anything I missed?
Kaepora_Gaebora Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 FIFA 15 and Titanfall I'd love to join in on if timing allows!
flameboy Posted October 7, 2014 Posted October 7, 2014 FIFA 15 and Titanfall I'd love to join in on if timing allows! �� Ok so we are doing Extra Life the weekend 25th/26th October. We currently have FIFA 15 loosely scheduled in for 2 hours from 3.00PM-5.00PM (GMT) on the Saturday but we can certainly move stuff around. No Titanfall currently planned as waiting to see who else crops up!
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