Sheikah Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yeah, it isn't just power (although that is a major factor). It's Nintendo's general inability to modernise and grasp what customers really want. That feeling reverberates; devs have no confidence, consumers have no confidence, console fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) If Nintendo hadn't have sacrificed it, and went for power, they'd be in the same situation You dont know this for sure and if you really believe this then going forward all we should expect is underpowered consoles which try to make up its inadequate services with gimmick controllers. I refuse to believe this is the best Nintendo can do and dont think there is anything to suggest Nintendo would be in the same position if they produced a better console. To say they would be in the same position is pure speculating and no more than that. Yeah, it isn't just power (although that is a major factor). It's Nintendo's general inability to modernise and grasp what customers really want. That feeling reverberates; devs have no confidence, consumers have no confidence, console fails. Correct. Releasing a poweful console which lacks the features and services people have come to expect isnt what people are asking for yet whenever somebody counters the 'power argument' they seem to think thats what we want when thats not the case at all. It isn't just the Gamepad though really - I mean as far as I know it's not actively putting people off, it's just not roping them in. So why doesn't anyone want it? The things they sacrificed for the Gamepad, I'd imagine. Sadly it's just not a rectifiable situation - they took a big gamble putting their eggs in this basket, and it hasn't paid off. Because people started to use tablets years ago and do not require a games console controller which tries to immitate a tablet while at the same time being worse than those tablets. If the gamepad was ditched and replaced with a pro controller I dont think the console would be any less recieved as people do not care about the Gamepad. A complete waste of time and money!! If you look at how Nintendo have operated historically where consoles were always sold at profit its amazing that the wii u got given the greenlight. As soon as the costs to manufacture the gamepads was realised and then the price the console would have to sell for to make money the idea should of been shot down. Edited January 2, 2014 by liger05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Exactly. They've had six years realistically to "get" online, but they still don't get it - fundamentally (hardware) and software too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Yeah, it isn't just power (although that is a major factor). It's Nintendo's general inability to modernise and grasp what customers really want. That feeling reverberates; devs have no confidence, consumers have no confidence, console fails. Not to mention those that get the system and don't feel as wow'd as they could be - also less likely to adopt next gen. That's what I mean with 360 and PS3, they've laid a nice foundation to boost the PS4 and XBone whereas due to Wii's nature and consumer, it hasn't as much. Most of the people I know who've gotten Wii Us are more long-term/core gamers, and there's still a number of people I'd expect to see with one without. Hell, I think this was even the first Nintendo home console I haven't bothered with on launch - so what's that saying for it? EDIT: Had wanted to do this earlier but work etc. Popped by GameFAQs for the poll of the day and noticed they'd recently done a series of 'Got <console>?'. No idea the demographics of the sorts of folks who go by and vote etc but decided to screen and collate them maybe for a bit of discussion here. Bonus poll about what folks got for xmas :p (some polls have dates below where they've been done before, if anyone cares to go see how it's changed over time) Edited January 3, 2014 by Rummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapedeck Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Not surprised to see the PS4 up there as a Christmas present. No XBone on their Christmas poll though? A lot of people I know we're bought a PS4 as the 'cool' present this year. My Facebook feed was rammed with pics of kid's and adults presents, and a lot of them had PS4’s. I set my GF's dad's PS4 up on Christmas Day and he wanted to play online on FIFA. Told them there was a charge - he was raging lol. In comparison, interesting to see the Wii U figure. Still think Nintendo royally ballsed Christmas up by not having Mario Kart ready for market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 That's a pretty damming poll for the X1 considering GameFAQs' userbase is largely American. Also pretty tragic for Nintendo considering Nintendo games and characters often top their 'best ever' polls. People there hold Nintendo games and characters close to their hearts, so it's really telling that people just don't want the Wii U as a console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Tip: You can also view the results country by country. Click the big blue button. For some countries, you can even view the results county by county, although some of them makes it obvious that's not many voted. Click on the UK for example. I don't why the Xbone was not in the poll, but it was only released in 12 countries in 2013. I'm not sure if there's even a release date for the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Not surprised to see the PS4 up there as a Christmas present. No XBone on their Christmas poll though?A lot of people I know we're bought a PS4 as the 'cool' present this year. My Facebook feed was rammed with pics of kid's and adults presents, and a lot of them had PS4’s. I set my GF's dad's PS4 up on Christmas Day and he wanted to play online on FIFA. Told them there was a charge - he was raging lol. In comparison, interesting to see the Wii U figure. Still think Nintendo royally ballsed Christmas up by not having Mario Kart ready for market. Hmm, didn't clock that. I'd presume someone accidentally put Xbox360 in it instead of XBone, which is a bit of a shame for the comparison. It's nice to see that a good chunk of some people apparently have Wii U interest - Nintendo need to get that turned into sales, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Why are the Nintendo console questions ever so slightly different? I know they're in different positions, but the questions should remain consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tapedeck Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I agree @Ashley It would have been good to see how many would buy a WiiU with a price reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 Another good point, there's this one from 30/12/12 that's a bit more similar, kinda more relevant comparison for position at the time too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Week 1, 2014 - Individual Formats (Units) 01 (05) PS4 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 02 (02) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) 03 (01) 360 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 04 (08) 360 MINECRAFT: XBOX 360 EDITION (MICROSOFT) 05 (03) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2) 06 (04) 360 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 07 (15) XBO FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 08 (17) PS4 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 09 (14) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 10 (19) XBO BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 11 (09) 360 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 12 (13) PS3 GRAN TURISMO 6 (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) 13 (21) XBO FORZA MOTORSPORT 5 (MICROSOFT) 14 (06) PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2) 15 (18) XBO CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 16 (07) PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) 17 (24) PS4 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) 18 (12) PS3 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 19 (10) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 20 (28) XBO DEAD RISING 3 (MICROSOFT) 21 (11) WII JUST DANCE 2014 (UBISOFT) 22 (29) PS4 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 23 (16) 360 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 24 (20) 360 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) 25 (27) PC FOOTBALL MANAGER 2014 (SEGA) 26 (35) XBO RYSE: SON OF ROME (MICROSOFT) 27 (39) XBO ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT) 28 (37) PS4 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) 29 (22) PS3 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 30 (23) PS4 KILLZONE: SHADOW FALL (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) 31 (34) 360 WWE 2K14 (TAKE 2) 32 (32) PS3 THE LAST OF US (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) 33 (25) PS3 NEED FOR SPEED: RIVALS (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 34 (40) 360 SAINTS ROW IV (KOCH MEDIA) 35 (31) 360 BATMAN: ARKHAM ORIGINS (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) 36 (__) 360 TOMB RAIDER (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE) 37 (__) 360 ALIENS: COLONIAL MARINES (SEGA) 38 (30) 3DS ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF (NINTENDO) 39 (33) 3DS POKEMON X (NINTENDO) 40 (26) PS4 KNACK (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) Nice next gen software sales. Fifa 14 PS4 being #1 is very impressive. Nice Forza 5 bump which suggests the XB1 forza bundle had some good sales last week. Plenty 360 high in the list. Looks like there are plenty 360 owners ready to wait before going to Next gen 3DS wont have any games in the top 40 soon and Wii U & Vita still dead. Retailers practically giving the Vita away is doing nothing. That's a pretty damming poll for the X1 considering GameFAQs' userbase is largely American. Also pretty tragic for Nintendo considering Nintendo games and characters often top their 'best ever' polls. People there hold Nintendo games and characters close to their hearts, so it's really telling that people just don't want the Wii U as a console. Not sure the poll really means much when MS say XB1 has sold 3 mil consoles http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-one-january-thank-you Together, we ushered in a new era of games and entertainment with Xbox One. Over 3 million Xbox One consoles were sold to consumers in 13 countries before the end of 2013. It’s been incredible to see Xbox One selling at a record-setting pace for Xbox, and we were honored to see Xbox One become the fastest-selling console in the U.S. during our launch month in November. Since our launch, demand for Xbox One has been strong, selling out throughout the holidays at most retailers worldwide. We are continuing to work hard to deliver additional consoles to retailers as fast as possible. Now the PS4 may of sold more but regardless 3mil is an impressive number. Edited January 6, 2014 by liger05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wii Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Last weeks Japanese sales. 01./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds # (Nintendo) {2013.12.26} (¥4.800) – 225.418 / NEW 02./01. [3DS] PazuDora Z: Puzzle & Dragons Z (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2013.12.12} (¥4.400) – 198.968 / 1.005.697 (-27%) 03./00. [PS3] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster (Square Enix) {2013.12.26} (¥7.140) – 182.638 / NEW 04./02. [3DS] Pokemon X / Y # (Pokemon Co.) {2013.10.12} (¥4.800) – 156.483 / 3.976.829 (-32%) 05./00. [PSV] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster: Twin Pack # (Square Enix) {2013.12.26} (¥7.140) – 134.645 / NEW 06./03. [WIU] Wii Party U # (Nintendo) {2013.10.31} (¥4.935) – 87.262 / 518.766 (-32%) 07./04. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U # (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) – 75.131 / 965.794 (-34%) 08./07. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985) – 71.159 / 410.041 (-23%) 09./08. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990) – 40.338 / 3.293.312 (-13%) 10./10. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) – 37.300 / 4.017.159 (-17%) 11./05. [PS3] New Dynasty Warriors: Gundam (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.12.19} (¥7.980) – 37.294 / 150.787 <80-100 |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | —————————————————————————————- | 3DS # | 208.893 | 245.046 | 266.790 | 4.931.509 | 5.626.763 | 14.694.011 | | WIU | 79.174 | 119.159 | 76.760 | 880.088 | 638.339 | 1.518.427 | | PSV # | 75.207 | 49.366 | 18.022 | 1.197.980 | 674.365 | 2.275.139 | | PS3 | 27.020 | 23.493 | 54.107 | 824.167 | 1.327.185 | 9.568.500 | | PSP # | 9.451 | 7.697 | 34.145 | 429.393 | 941.992 | 19.608.493 | | WII | 2.719 | 2.444 | 8.094 | 77.337 | 492.999 | 12.738.079 | | 360 | 770 | 607 | 2.283 | 19.548 | 67.273 | 1.607.559 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Not sure the poll really means much when MS say XB1 has sold 3 mil consoles http://news.xbox.com/2014/01/xbox-one-january-thank-you Now the PS4 may of sold more but regardless 3mil is an impressive number. Nintendo sold 3 million Wii Us in the same time period in 2012 and people were calling it a failure at that point. Just saying :P Though that is good for Microsoft. I was expecting it to flounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Nintendo sold 3 million Wii Us in the same time period in 2012 and people were calling it a failure at that point. Just saying :P Though that is good for Microsoft. I was expecting it to flounder. No they didnt. Nintendo shipped 3 mil units and sold about 2 mil to consumers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wii Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 3 Wii U titles in the Japanese top 10 chart, that must be a first. NSMBU is nearing the 1 million milestone. Sales are finally looking respectable in Japan. I hope it lasts and that we get some 3rd party support off the back of the upturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 3 Wii U titles in the Japanese top 10 chart, that must be a first. NSMBU is nearing the 1 million milestone. Sales are finally looking respectable in Japan. I hope it lasts and that we get some 3rd party support off the back of the upturn. LM2 nearing 1 mil is mightly impressive as is P&D getting there so quickly. Will be interesting to see where the Wii U settles at after the holiday season. 01/15Dr. Luigi & Saikin Bokumetsu 01/22 Trine 2: Mittsu no Chikara to Fukashigi no Mori 02/01 Wii Fit U (Balance Board and Fit Meter Set) 02/05 Monster Hunter Frontier G (Memorial Package) 02/06 Puyo Puyo Tetris 02/13 Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze Just dont think there are enough titles coming to keep hardware sales from going back down to the pre holiday 10k a week numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debug Mode Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Puyo Puyo Tetris?!?! What the fuck is this and how have I only heard about it now?! It better not be exclusive to the Wii U.. EDIT: Multi-plat release yussssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khilafah Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Puyo Puyo Tetris?!?! What the fuck is this and how have I only heard about it now?! It better not be exclusive to the Wii U.. EDIT: Multi-plat release yussssss will get the japanese 3DS version for sure. dont think it will get a western release on any system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debug Mode Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 will get the japanese 3DS version for sure. dont think it will get a western release on any system. Did you know about this?! I'm looking at all the modes right now and I'm in awe. The one thing that's going to put me off though is the high price they slap on puzzle games in Japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Nintendo's focus on making a console for Japan seems to be doing okay for them at this point. I mean, they have no competition but at least people are kind of interested. Also, Aliens: Colonial Marines sold better than Super Mario 3D World?! What the hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nintendo's focus on making a console for Japan seems to be doing okay for them at this point. I mean, they have no competition but at least people are kind of interested. Also, Aliens: Colonial Marines sold better than Super Mario 3D World?! What the hell. It was most likely avaliable for £5 @ retailers last week. Mario 3D dropped quickly but its not that surprising. The Wii U install base in the UK is not even 200k and I dread to think what the actual active install base is considering Wii U games sell crazy low amounts in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownferret Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 It was most likely avaliable for £5 @ retailers last week. Mario 3D dropped quickly but its not that surprising. The Wii U install base in the UK is not even 200k and I dread to think what the actual active install base is considering Wii U games sell crazy low amounts in the UK. they really do. I think I've only paid full price for 3 or 4 out of the 17 games I own. I'm loving the Wii U doom and gloom, I've got console, 2 pro controllers, Wiimote+, tons of games and all for the cost of an Xbox 1 + Live... suckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero-of-Time Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 they really do. I think I've only paid full price for 3 or 4 out of the 17 games I own. I'm loving the Wii U doom and gloom, I've got console, 2 pro controllers, Wiimote+, tons of games and all for the cost of an Xbox 1 + Live... suckers! I would hardly call people who bought the One or PS4 suckers if they want and enjoy the product. They may not find the Wii U appealing ( given the sales this seems to be the case for a lot of people ) so buying a product with games that they do want to play and enjoy is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah..... I'd hardly say people are suckers for buying a console that will actually receive third party support as opposed to one that won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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