heroicjanitor Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 A free service put an ad up that tells you how to remove it. Oh no. They didn't say "we're never putting this page back up unless you meet our demands". It was an ad, not a terrorist attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sorry, but what Wikipedia and others have done simply isn't terrorism. It's not even a strike in Wikipedia's case because you can still access their site. Besides, these sites have absolutely no obligations to stay in business if they don't want to, but that's completely missing the entire point; this is a strike, a protest. It's sometimes the only weapon we have against those in power. Calling it terrorism is a kick in the face to victims of actual terrorism, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iun Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sorry guys, I don't think I'm ever going to agree with you. I can see your point and understand where you're coming from. But I don't support it or the actions taken by these sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 And that's perfectly fine. Really, I understand completely where you're coming from, and you definitely have some valid points. But it just isn't terrorism by any stretch of the definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Sorry, but what Wikipedia and others have done simply isn't terrorism. It's not even a strike in Wikipedia's case because you can still access their site. Besides, these sites have absolutely no obligations to stay in business if they don't want to, but that's completely missing the entire point; this is a strike, a protest. It's sometimes the only weapon we have against those in power. Calling it terrorism is a kick in the face to victims of actual terrorism, if you ask me. ...and completely missing the point of why we have protests and strikes in a democratic society to boot. Great. Great quote I found on the outlandish and disproportionate response that would occur under SOPA Under SOPA you could be jailed for five years for uploading a Michael Jackson song. One year more than the doctor who killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iun Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Dan, Danny, we've conceded that either side has a point to make, now you're just getting hot over nothing. Move on from the debate, or you're going to risk igniting it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 ...and completely missing the point of why we have protests and strikes in a democratic society to boot. Great. Great quote I found on the outlandish and disproportionate response that would occur under SOPA Oh fuck that's amazing. That's the sort of fact that would make regular non-internet folk think twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 While I support the opposition to the Bill, taking services away from people and saing "would you like to live in a world like this, hmmm?" is, in my book, terrorism. Personally I'd call that a demonstration. Saying "would you like to live in a world like this?" is slightly redundant, because that's exactly the world they're aiming for. These sites are demonstrating what could happen and confronting them with the reality of their actions should the vision of their world actually come to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Dan, Danny, we've conceded that either side has a point to make, now you're just getting hot over nothing. Move on from the debate, or you're going to risk igniting it again. I really don't think this is "nothing", personally, but I've made my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPhee Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 For anyone interested, Avaaz have a petition going here: http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet_action_center_b/?fp Over 1.6 Million signatures so far, on top of the 1.5 Million who signed the petition opposing SOPA. Just another tool to remind the yanks just how unpopular this bill is with people in the states and worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iun Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Personally I'd call that a demonstration. Saying "would you like to live in a world like this?" is slightly redundant, because that's exactly the world they're aiming for. These sites are demonstrating what could happen and confronting them with the reality of their actions should the vision of their world actually come to pass. And that's precisely my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) And that's precisely my point. Then it can't be terrorism surely, as it's showing the SOPA people what would happen as a result of their own actions, not an outside influence doing something for the sake of general intimidation. Edited January 19, 2012 by EEVILMURRAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iun Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Then it can't be terrorism surely, as it's showing the SOPA people what would happen as a result of their own actions, not an outside influence doing something for the sake of general intimidation. I didn't say my point would make any sense. :narrows eyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is depressing that people that cant understand the reason for Wiki being blackout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieColeslaw Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Accompanying discussion: The awkward moment when you break the law you proposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Saw that earlier. It's brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 That is beyond brilliant. Seriously, this should be done to everyone supporting these bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokong Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Haha that is going on my Twitter right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Personally, I'm quite surprised people are only just having their feathers ruffled by this and that N-E has only just posted about it, it's been going on for a couple of weeks. I think it's obviously ridiculous, youtube, gaming sites etc would be torn down over it all, having people who don't really use the internet to decide what happens to it seems strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Personally, I'm quite surprised people are only just having their feathers ruffled by this and that N-E has only just posted about it, it's been going on for a couple of weeks. I think it's obviously ridiculous, youtube, gaming sites etc would be torn down over it all, having people who don't really use the internet to decide what happens to it seems strange to me. One quote that made me facepalm epically, so much so that every single version of me in every single parallel universe that is ever to exist simultaneously facepalmed in an event which destroys the whole multiverse theory, was one of the reps during the markup essentially saying: "I'm no expert but I believe the industry leaders are lying" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 One quote that made me facepalm epically, so much so that every single version of me in every single parallel universe that is ever to exist simultaneously facepalmed in an event which destroys the whole multiverse theory, was one of the reps during the markup essentially saying: "I'm no expert but I believe the industry leaders are lying" Haha, lovely. This was pretty much my only point about SOPA which obviously, many others do too. You cannot make a bill that you do not full understand the implications of, Eddie's picture not only proves the point but smashes theirs. It's a wonderful internet world we live in and I do hope they see sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McPhee Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 4.5 million people signed Google's petition. 18 senators have turned their backs on PIPA. The last 2 democrats to support PIPA have seen the light, they were among the 18. It's now an all-Republican effort (is it just me, or does the Republican Party represent a lot of the things that are wrong with the world? Can't we just drown them and have done with it?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Personally, I'm quite surprised people are only just having their feathers ruffled by this and that N-E has only just posted about it, it's been going on for a couple of weeks. I think it's obviously ridiculous, youtube, gaming sites etc would be torn down over it all, having people who don't really use the internet to decide what happens to it seems strange to me. This along with NDAA have been going on for quite a while without any mainstream coverage. It's good to see people finally take note and now it looks like it's going to be shot down. Unlike NDAA which no one gave a shit about. "You can detain me indefinitely, but don't take away my torrents!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This along with NDAA have been going on for quite a while without any mainstream coverage. It's good to see people finally take note and now it looks like it's going to be shot down. Unlike NDAA which no one gave a shit about. "You can detain me indefinitely, but don't take away my torrents!" Hah! Yes, indeed Wesley, I've noticed both SOPA and NDAA for a couple of weeks now at least, but it seems only the last couple of days it's really kicked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peeps Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 I was surprised that there wasn't already a thread on it. I'm sure most people on here (at least those that have posted) have been aware of it for a while. Glad to see it's losing support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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