PS3 or Xbox 360

[Sheikah]

Terrible analogs, misplaced left analog, R2 and L2 suck.

 

Best d-pad in the biz, though, making it the best controller to play stuff like Rayman Origins.

 

 

 

People do. Sony ignores them because they're not a majority of people, but alot of people complain. But that's what Sony does, ignore it's user base...

 

When the people clamored that the 360's d-pad, Microsoft tried to fix it, they failed, but at least they tried.

 

I think that the fact that there's a plethora of cross adapters to get 360 controllers working on a ps3 alone is indication enough that there are quite alot of discontent owners, judging by how well they're selling. Funny how there are no adapters that work the other way around.

 

Let's be absolutely honest here, the 360 controller has a terrible, TERRIBLE D-Pad. In everything else, though... it's absolutely perfect. Better than the gamecube, imo.

 

It fits better in your hand, is much more comfortable, the triggers are inarguably better and the analogs are, in my opinion, much much better than the PS3's.

 

Except for the D-pad, what about the 360 controller do you think is worse than the DS3?

 

I think the gamecube controller fits the hand a lot better than the 360 does. I think the button layout of the 360 is slightly inferior, and I think the Dualshock hardware is an all round better piece of kit. I like that it has a built in battery too, without the need for a block on the back that juts out.

 

And that's just it though, most people do like the controller. Why would they change the controller for the minority?

Edited November 23, 2011 by Sheikah

[ReZourceman]

I don't like the 360's face buttons, but everything else is great.

 

I think the PS3s face buttons and analogue sticks are absolutely 100% perfect, but as everyone agrees the Gamecube is yet to be beaten.

[Retro_Link]

For those of you interested in a PS3 Sainsburys doing a 160gb for http://www.sainsburysentertainment.co.uk/en/Xbox-360/Console-Price-Crash/category.html?category=games/xbox/gameconsolepricereduce

 

for £157.99

Damn that's tempting!

 

I just can't help wondering whether I'll ultimately end up wanting a 320gb model?!

[Oxigen_Waste]

I think the gamecube controller fits the hand a lot better than the 360 does. I think the button layout of the 360 is slightly inferior, and I think the Dualshock hardware is an all round better piece of kit. I like that it has a built in battery too, without the need for a block on the back that juts out.

 

And that's just it though, most people do like the controller. Why would they change the controller for the minority?

 

I love the GC controller, but the 360's is my all time favourite. They both have bad D-Pads, but I preffer the 360's triggers and I also preffer the round analogue design to the GC's octagon. As for how they fit in the hand, I have no preference between them. The GC face buttons were better, though, mainly because they only had one impossible combination (X+b), where the 360 has two (x+b and y+a).

 

 

The button layout is pretty much the same, no? I don't really "get" what you mean...

 

The battery pack doesn't really bother anyone... pick up a wired controller (which has no backpack) and you'll notice no difference, except the weight... which I like (much like how DS3 feels much better compared to sixaxis, which feels "empty").

 

Most people like it. Hell, I like it... but it's just worse in some areas... nobody preffers those triggers, most users would preffer the left stick be placed differently... and I probably think most users would preffer analogues with a dent in them and that felt less loose.

 

I can't realy stand the controller without those gioteck shoulder adapters... and the analog nubs feel nice too.

 

Damn that's tempting!

 

I just can't help wondering whether I'll ultimately end up wanting a 320gb model?!

 

It's not like the 360... installing is out, so 160 is plenty of space, trust me.

[Retro_Link]

It's not like the 360... installing is out, so 160 is plenty of space, trust me.

Sorry to sound like a complete noob... but I am when it comes to the HD consoles, having only owned a Wii up until now (and played 360 games on Eddage's console)... but how does it all work then?

 

So with the PS3 you don't have to install the games?... but if you do they run better?

 

So in terms of save data I'm just filling up blocks like the Wii? So I theoretically might have to start erasing game data at some stage?... it varies greatly I'd imagine but in a ballpark figure how many games can 160gb store?

 

Would a game like GT5 take up loads of space?

 

And could you just plug in an external hard drive to the PS3 at a later date?

 

[/awkwardnoobqs]

Edited November 23, 2011 by Retro_Link

[Oxigen_Waste]

Sorry to sound like a complete noob... but I am when it comes to the HD consoles, having only owned a Wii up until now (and played 360 games on Eddage's console)... but how does it all work then?

 

So with the PS3 you don't have to install the games?... but if you do they run better?

 

So in terms of save data I'm just filling up blocks like the Wii? So I theoretically might have to start erasing game data at some stage?... it varies greatly I'd imagine but in a ballpark figure how many games can 160gb store?

 

Would a game like GT5 take up loads of space?

 

And could you just plug in an external hard drive to the PS3 at a later date?

 

[/awkwardnoobqs]

 

 

Actually, you can just change the PS3 HD yourself, it's VERY easy and it uses regulard HDs, unlike the X360... but I don't think you'll need it.

 

As for everything else, it's like this:

 

You don't have the option to install games. Some force you to, but most don't, but you can't choose to install them (that's something the 360 outshines the PS3 in), as for how much space they take up, you can relax about it... I have a 160 and only like 10 or so games and have no idea how much space they take up, because it's my secondary console... HOWEVER, my bros have an old 40GB model and about 25 or so games for it (plus 7 or 8 of my 10 which they've played) plus 12 or 14 PSN games and they've only ever had to erase 1 game (MGS4) in order to make space for more (and even then, it's okay, since you OBVIOUSLY keep the save files).

 

It does work a bit like blocks, except 160GB is a ridiculous amount of space when it comes to game saves... and 160GB would net you space to store a lot of games, for sure... although I'm not really sure how much.

 

I think you'll do more than fine with 160GBs, you'll still have enough leftover space to fill the thing with music and video files to fuck around with...

 

I have no idea how much GT5 takes up, but google it.

 

As for the external hard drive... I don't think so.

[Aimless]

Terrible analogs, misplaced left analog, R2 and L2 suck.

I still don't understand why the left analogue is "misplaced" if the right one is fine in exactly the same spot.

 

The sticks themselves are great in my experience. They require a subtly different approach to the 360's — you rock the tips with your thumbs rather than purely pushing them — but it's just a case of acclimatisation.

 

L2 and R2 are definitely too spongy, but for ancillary functions they're fine. For instance they feel natural as accelerator/brake pedals, but L1 and R1 are far better suited for looking down sights or firing. Despite their placement on the controller, the *2 buttons ideally mimic the functionality of the 360 controller's bumpers.

 

Damn that's tempting!

 

I just can't help wondering whether I'll ultimately end up wanting a 320gb model?!

Unless you're using the PS3 as media centre it's pretty unlikely you'll ever fill 160GB. Besides, you can replace the drive yourself with a standard laptop HDD if it ever becomes an issue.

 

Buying a machine with a larger hard drive is a false economy, really. It works out well for Sony as they make more profit — or as is the case at the moment, less of a loss — on each one.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I still don't understand why the left analogue is "misplaced" if the right one is fine in exactly the same spot.

 

The sticks themselves are great in my experience. They require a subtly different approach to the 360's — you rock the tips with your thumbs rather than purely pushing them — but it's just a case of acclimatisation.

 

L2 and R2 are definitely too spongy, but for ancillary functions they're fine. For instance they feel natural as accelerator/brake pedals, but L1 and R1 are far better suited for looking down sights or firing. Despite their placement on the controller, the *2 buttons ideally mimic the functionality of the 360 controller's bumpers.

 

Are you serious about the analogues? Of course the right analogue is well placed... it's a secondary feature, it only becomes a primary in shooters! The face buttons obviously deserve a better placement than the right stick.

The left analogue is placed on a secondary position, and it gets alot more use than the D-Pad!! Isn't it obvious???

The only place where the DS3 placement would and does make sense is on the Wii's classic controller... because the analogs are secondary!

 

As for the sticks themselves... I know it's a matter of opinion, but having used a lot of both... I preffer the 360's.

 

The triggers feel much better for shooting and looking down sights than the bumpers... the only reason they use the bumpers in PS3 games is because the triggers suck ass. Come on...

[Shorty]

I still don't understand why the left analogue is "misplaced" if the right one is fine in exactly the same spot.

 

This is just my take but...

 

With the left side of the pad, it's usually just movement, you rarely need to be switching between D-pad and the analogue stick repeatedly. Even if the D-pad is mapped to something else, it's usually just an inventory change or special move that you can spare a split second for. So with that in mind, the analogue stick should take the primary position on the pad.

 

But on the right side, you need those face buttons more often, if you put those in the right stick's place it would be harder to accurately tap for grenades, crouch etc.

 

The only reason the PS3 is not like that is because of the symmetry of the design.

 

damn I spent too long typing and Oxigen fit in a better reply

[Deathjam]

Some of you guys must have no interest in beat-em-ups. For all purpose gaming ps3 pad beats the others hands down as it more comfortable for a wider variety of games. No matter how much I love the GC pad, the dpad is god awful, and sometimes, quite painful to use. No wonder there was barely and 2d or even 3d fighters on the machine. 360 fares no better and using an analogue for a fighter is a joke. For shooter's, the 360 pad is superior (look at how many shooters were made for the old xbox) but the ps3 pad is just fine once you get used to it as aimless said. They all have their strengths, but for all round competence, ps3 pad wins out imo. But really, depends on your gaming habits.

[Shorty]

Nobody's arguing that the PS3 is not better for fighters, there's no contest there, but what on earth is "all purpose gaming"?

[Aimless]

Are you serious about the analogues? Of course the right analogue is well placed... it's a secondary feature, it only becomes a primary in shooters! The face buttons obviously deserve a better placement than the right stick.

The left analogue is placed on a secondary position, and it gets alot more use than the D-Pad!! Isn't it obvious???

The only place where the DS3 placement would and does make sense is on the Wii's classic controller... because the analogs are secondary!

 

As for the sticks themselves... I know it's a matter of opinion, but having used a lot of both... I preffer the 360's.

 

The triggers feel much better for shooting and looking down sights than the bumpers... the only reason they use the bumpers in PS3 games is because the triggers suck ass. Come on...

I just feel the designation of "secondary position" is rather arbitrary. The natural resting place of my thumb is between the d-pad and analogue whether we're talking about the PS3 or 360 controller, so I don't see the inherent seniority.

 

Are you saying it feels better to shoot with R2, or are you talking about the 360 controller? Regardless, the PS3's shoulder buttons make more sense for aiming and firing as those are binary inputs that require no analogue finesse, unlike driving. The 360's triggers have a smooth, shallow action that allows for their digital use with little ill effect, whereas LB and RB have inconsistent travel — they press in far more on the outside, where your fingertips aren't — making them less satisfying than the triggers for heavy use.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Some of you guys must have no interest in beat-em-ups. For all purpose gaming ps3 pad beats the others hands down as it more comfortable for a wider variety of games. No matter how much I love the GC pad, the dpad is god awful, and sometimes, quite painful to use. No wonder there was barely and 2d or even 3d fighters on the machine. 360 fares no better and using an analogue for a fighter is a joke. For shooter's, the 360 pad is superior (look at how many shooters were made for the old xbox) but the ps3 pad is just fine once you get used to it as aimless said. They all have their strengths, but for all round competence, ps3 pad wins out imo. But really, depends on your gaming habits.

 

DS3 is better for fighters? Definitely. Let's broaden that and say that's absolutely no contest better for anything which primarily uses the Dpad. No contest whatsoever... but that's quite the minority.

 

(not related, but I actually use the 360 for fighters coz I bought an arcade stick when sfiv came out just coz I hated the dpad so much!)

 

All round? 360 pad. No doubt. The only thing bad about it is the dpad, period. That's it.

 

I just feel the designation of "secondary position" is rather arbitrary. The natural resting place of my thumb is between the d-pad and analogue whether we're talking about the PS3 or 360 controller, so I don't see the inherent seniority.

 

Are you saying it feels better to shoot with R2, or are you talking about the 360 controller? Regardless, the PS3's shoulder buttons make more sense for aiming and firing as those are binary inputs that require no analogue finesse, unlike driving. The 360's triggers have a smooth, shallow action that allows for their digital use with little ill effect, whereas LB and RB have inconsistent travel — they press in far more on the outside, where your fingertips aren't — making them less satisfying than the triggers for heavy use.

 

It's not arbitrary, it's much more of an effort/strain to reach the right stick than it is to reach the face buttons. Position A (face buttons) is just more relaxed than position B (right stick)... which obviously applies to the left stick too.

This shit isn't even a matter of debate or opinion, it's actually studied, the controllers are designed the way they are because of it! (except, of course, for the DS3).

 

It feels better to shoot with triggers than it does with buttons, is my point. You're shooting... it's a trigger. Make sense yet?

And the DS3 has no triggers, not really. So I'm obviously refering to the 360 triggers.

[spirited away]

I completely agree that the stick placement is awkward on the PS3 controller. I find my left thumb naturally drifts onto the D-pad when I'm idle, because it just feels right.

[Retro_Link]

@Oxigen_Waste @Aimless Cheers guys! That's been a lot of help, I think I'll actually be going for it then!

 

My question then would be what on earth would a 360gb console be for?

Aimless you mentioned a media centre... so do you mean basically installing a vast collection of every DVD/Blu-Ray, CD/MP3, Pictures, Videos etc... on to it?... that's where all that extra space would get used up/come in handy?

[Emerald Emblem]

My poor Xbox is just standing on my computer desk next to me as I type this hidden partially behind the curtain, whilst my poor PS3 is being overworked as my little bro plays Modnation racers. My Xbox on one or two occasions has fallen onto my PS3, it seems to be bitter that I haven't been playing it at all the past few months. I have Halo Reach, Left4Dead and Tales of Vesperia which are the only reasons I still have the thing.

[Oxigen_Waste]

@Oxigen_Waste @Aimless Cheers guys! That's been a lot of help, I think I'll actually be going for it then!

 

My question then would be what on earth would a 360gb console be for?

Aimless you mentioned a media centre... so do you mean basically installing a vast collection of every DVD/Blu-Ray, CD/MP3, Pictures, Videos etc... on to it?... that's where all that extra space would get used up/come in handy?

 

Pretty much. But since they forbid the installing of other OS's, it pretty much means very little since when it comes to videos, since it doesn't support MKV or subtitles, so that's pretty much almost means bye bye to all 1080p, since it's rare to see mp4s for 1080 vids... but other than that it's handy, but you're not gonna be using it's 160GBs that much. If you're really interested in using it as a media center... you MUST use PS3 Media Server... which is awesome, but still not perfect when it comes to 1080.

[Retro_Link]

Hmm... looking at it, would you say this deal offer doesn't include a controller? Because buying one would cancel out the saving!

 

http://www.sainsburysentertainment.co.uk/en/Games/PS3/Playstation-3-Slim-Console-160GB/product.html?product=E10365243

[Cube]

Damn that's tempting!

 

I just can't help wondering whether I'll ultimately end up wanting a 320gb model?!

 

I have a 160GB model. I've installed all the free PS Plus games since I got it in January. This includes three full PS3 games, lots of PSN games, a few PS1 games and lots of little games. I still have plenty of space

[Sheikah]

Are you serious about the analogues? Of course the right analogue is well placed... it's a secondary feature, it only becomes a primary in shooters! The face buttons obviously deserve a better placement than the right stick.

The left analogue is placed on a secondary position, and it gets alot more use than the D-Pad!! Isn't it obvious???

The only place where the DS3 placement would and does make sense is on the Wii's classic controller... because the analogs are secondary!

 

As for the sticks themselves... I know it's a matter of opinion, but having used a lot of both... I preffer the 360's.

 

The triggers feel much better for shooting and looking down sights than the bumpers... the only reason they use the bumpers in PS3 games is because the triggers suck ass. Come on...

 

Strongly disagree, the right analogue stick is used by the overwhelming majority of 3D games, and it's used a lot because adjusting camera is just as vital as moving.

[Shorty]

But like I pointed out you need the face buttons more than you need to switch from left stick to d-pad.

 

To be honest, I want to recommend the 360, I have about 80% 360 games, 10% Wii and 10% PS3. I get all my multiplatform games for 360, even if they're better on the PS3. But my reason is pretty poor. My only real negative for the PS3 has been the unreliability of the network, which has been sorted lately. Also the store is still shit, and there aren't enough trial versions of downloadable games. And there's nothing as well defined as XBLA (which is your Virtual Console of the 360).

 

But... my real reason is probably achievements. I love them. And I would probably love trophies more if they had come out first, but they didn't and I was already hooked on achievements.

 

So unless the things in my second paragraph sound like game-changers, or you really want ME1, Halo and Gears of War (even more than you want Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, LBP, inFamous and God of War) I'd say get a PS3.

[Cube]

But... my real reason is probably achievements. I love them. And I would probably love trophies more if they had come out first, but they didn't and I was already hooked on achievements.

 

 

I used to be crazy for achievements. Then I got to 50,000 and just thought "I'm not going to reach another milestone for ages" and kind of lost interest in them all. Although I've never been interested in trophies on PS3. It's a pain to even look at them (due to the horrible CMB).

[Sheikah]

But like I pointed out you need the face buttons more than you need to switch from left stick to d-pad.

 

To be honest, I want to recommend the 360, I have about 80% 360 games, 10% Wii and 10% PS3. I get all my multiplatform games for 360, even if they're better on the PS3. But my reason is pretty poor. My only real negative for the PS3 has been the unreliability of the network, which has been sorted lately. Also the store is still shit, and there aren't enough trial versions of downloadable games. And there's nothing as well defined as XBLA (which is your Virtual Console of the 360).

 

I still think the right stick has more use than even face buttons for many 3D games now.

 

And you must be having a laugh, the 360 has no backlog of games from the glory days so Nintendo and Sony have the VC argument won on that one. There's trial version for most decent games, plus for the price of XBL gold you have your online gaming plus loads of free games (many of them good ones) plus trials for things.

Edited November 24, 2011 by Sheikah

[Shorty]

I'm not on about the old games, VC was a bad comparison. I mean just downloadable games like Braid, Bastion, Bionic Commando, Lara Croft Guardians, Shadow Complex, Trials HD, Splosion Man, Portal, Plants vs Zombies, Geometry Wars, Perfect Dark, Sonic 4, N+, Super Meat Boy, Rez HD, Streets of Rage, Ikaruga.

 

I know most of these are on both, but for whatever reason there's no single category to find all these games in on the PS3, and they don't all have a free trial version.

[Happenstance]

For me I prefer the 360 controller and I think Xbox Live, Arcade and the XB Dashboard are better than the PSN (though not by as much as it used to be) the PS3 is still my main console. I prefer the exclusive games it has, its nice not to have to pay for online play and blu rays for both movies and gaming have been better (ie 1 disk instead of 2 for some games).

 

Also, ive just recently started watching some dvds on my 360 for the first time since I got a new one. Did you always have to bring up a menu to just pause something?