European Elections

[Indigo]

I can't believe those fascist schmucks got in. I voted Green in Yorkshire and Humberside - another 2000 votes and they would have stopped the BNP getting in. In the North West another 1000 or so votes for Green or UKIP would have stopped Nick Griffin getting in as well.

 

This is a truly sad day for the UK. You can't understate the significance of this. For the first time fascists actually have a platform, and they have the money that comes with elected office.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I've just watched a speech that Griffin has just given live in Manchester. This guy means business...there was so much anger and passion in his voice. Now he's got his seat, I don't think he'll let go of it as easily as Labour seemed to have let go of theirs.

[Shino]

Did you guys have local elections together with the European one or did the fascist win a sit in the European parliament?

 

 

On another note. ARRRGH!

 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/swedish-pirate-party-headed-to-european-parliament.ars

[Nicktendo]

I just wrote this on a facebook note and thought I'd share...

 

I can’t even find the words to describe how I’m feeling right now. Unsettled may be appropriate. Maybe. Angry? Pissed off? I am, at lots and lots of people. I struggle to find how the BNP actually got a seat in MY region, good old Yorkshire and t'Humber. Yet looking at the figures it’s pretty obvious what the problem is.

 

So basically, the European Elections run on a system of proportional representation with 6 seats eligible to Yorkshire and the Humber.

 

The method runs on this system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method explained nice and easily under the headings ‘Allocation’ and ‘Example.’

 

In the region there are 3,792,415 people eligible to vote. Only 1,226,180 people voted. 32% of people voted. ONLY 32%. Of that 32% - 120,139 people voted for the BNP. So the BNP got 9.8% vote of the 32% of people who voted and subsequently a seat in our European Parliament. Out of the 3,792,145 people who could have voted, the BNP amassed only 3.16%, a tiny amount. They still got a seat. ONE of SIX parliamentary seats with 3.16% of people in the region voting for them!! Yet for some reason 68% of people chose not to vote at all... This fact angers me much more than the BNP achieving a seat. Sorry for all of these ‘boring’ facts, but I need to highlight the flaws in the voting system of proportional representation (not that I’m suggesting a better system). The general apathy of the public is what annoys me the most because it is simply so dangerous.

 

People often say to me, “I don’t vote, they’re all the same.†“It’s a waste of time.†“No one represents me.†Well, quite frankly all of that is wrong. It’s downright ignorant to think that. It’s up to you, the individual to do the leg work, seek out information and cast your vote - something you are oblivious to just how lucky you are to have that. Many people who inhabit this world don’t have that basic right. Yet so many people in this country are too self-involved to walk 5 minutes down the road to put a cross on a piece of paper. They would rather sit at home and leave the door to Fascism wide open, a door which was firmly shut by millions and millions of people who died in the Second World War. Do you think your grandparents would have stood up for their freedom if they knew 68% of people would throw it away?!

 

On that point, it’s a fairly obvious fact that all the people who WANTED to vote for the BNP, DID vote for the BNP because of the nature of far-right politics. This is why such a low voter turnout opens the door to these sorts of groups and it is how the Nazi’s began in Germany in the 1930’s. It’s highly unlikely that any of the people who chose not to vote would have chosen to vote for such a vulgar outfit and it is in these low turnout conditions where the BNP can thrive, evidently. People who believe in the BNP’s policies are the people who will take action and cast their vote. So this highlights why it is important for everyone to use their right to vote to stop this marginal group of racists and thugs having a much greater standing and say than they are actually entitled too.

 

For those who don’t know who or what the British National Party are; they are a racist, homophobic extremist, right-wing political party who want to ‘protect’ the British identity. By the British identity, they actually mean white people who inhabit the island. Everyone knows that all the white people here are a mix of Anglo-Saxon, Roman, Norman, and Celtic... everything. Britain has been invaded more times over the past 2000 years than I’ve had hot dinners. And I’ve had one every day since I can remember... Seriously though there are no ETHNICALLY 'British' people and the white make-up of this country is based on immigration and invasion. I, for example descendant of a Celt and a Nord. Hence my blonde hair, sensitive skin and large nose but that doesn’t mean I’m Danish or Irish...

 

If the British National Party came to power they would forcibly remove the rights of all illegal immigrants (people who often are escaping war and dictatorships), sending them back there. Also, they would remove all people of non-white ethnicity including fourth, fifth, sixth generation and upwards people of mixed race. They claim they will offer ‘settled’ people of mixed race or other ethnicities, who hold a British passport, £50,000 of tax-payers money to return to their ‘home’ country and give up their British passport. Yet to many of these people, Britain is their home. It is no secret that they wish to remove all non-white from this country by force should they choose not to leave. If you think about this, your friends, neighbours, doctors, nurses, policemen, postmen, bankers, estate agents... all kinds of people who contribute to the wonderfully diverse British culture would be gone. People who you see every day and share the best aspects of your life with would be gone because their skin wasn’t light enough. This is the sort of thing that Hitler believed. Seriously. This is 2009 and people still hold these astonishing views.

 

What you might not know as well, is that the BNP would ban all homosexual activity, mixed-race relationships and re-install Christian values into our society. Are you a Christian..? They would also reinstate the death penalty. Stepping back in time a bit, eh? There are plenty of ethical issues with the death penalty which I won’t go into... All I’ll say is: which human has the right to take another’s life? And what if someone was put to death and new evidence suggested they were innocent... A bit late, isn’t it? This is the kind of backwards and barbaric thinking that embodies the BNP’s politics: Outdated and unwelcome in a progressive and forward moving society. Perhaps, one of the most shocking things of all of course, is that they would “exterminate†people with disabilities, to create a ‘pure’ white race. Obviously they don’t advertise this openly but if you read between the lines on their website all becomes clear. Utterly disgusting.

 

So, that’s just a few of their policies. Ever wanted to join the army? No, I haven’t either but under a BNP government all males will be FORCED to join the army for one year’s service. If you don’t, you go to jail, simple. It might have worked in the 1950’s but now; again, it’s an outdated and backwards idea. This doesn’t really fit with their idea of ‘Freedom’ when they force you to do something against your will. On top of this they will encourage all families to possess a rifle and live ammunition in their home in the interests of security and protection. We all know how much of a severe problem gun crime is in America and bringing it over here would surely yield similar results. Guns are not the democratic way to solve disputes or uphold the law, by anyone, including the law enforcers.

 

“A Woman’s place is in the home.†At least according to the BNP it is. Not only will they racially divide the nation but apparently they think women are inferior too. ‘Sexist bunch of pigs’ is a polite way to describe the members of the British National Party and I’ve met the leader of the Young BNP. What a pleasant chap (!) He told my ex-girlfriend she was wasting her time being a feminist and going to University. I wonder if he thinks that only women can be feminists. I think, well I hope that reading the past few paragraphs has informed you just how ill-educated the BNP and its supporters actually are. I don’t think that anyone I know would agree with the sick ideas that are mentioned above and if they do they should go back to school and learn some morals.

 

The important (hopefully) non-boring bit.

 

All I’m trying to do here is highlight what kind of beast people are unleashing by not voting. The simple fact is, the BNP has such a small number of supporters that if more people who didn’t vote, voted: they wouldn’t have a hope of getting in. But sadly they have and will continue to get in. Once they are in they will have an input and an influence and it will directly affect YOUR life. Do you want that? Do you want any of the shocking things mentioned above to be present in YOUR society and community?

 

Obviously in a democracy everyone has a vote. Always, some of those votes will go to the ‘extreme’ parties. But when only 32% of people vote these minority parties get such a greater share of the percentage that they can have an influence. It is SO important that EVERYONE takes part in democracy. PLEASE EDUCATE yourself on politics, don’t ignore such a vital and important aspect of everyone’s life.

 

...And as I write this Nick Griffin has just won the BNP’s second seat in the EU. People, this is a very real threat now. They are earning money for being in government. Their propaganda will get stronger, their influence will be greater. He is a LEGITIMATE politician now, something the National Front never achieved. All of the text I have written above is now represented in Europe by Britain. Do you want to stand for that as a nation? Is THAT what you believe in? It is time to stand up and be counted against such a fundamentally wrong organisation. The BBC is reporting that the vote for the BNP is DOWN on last time. Yet because fewer people voted they have such a greater share. This is why your vote matters. No matter how insignificant you feel. Go on Wikipedia of all places and look at the policies of Labour, The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Green Party... whoever, just go and see which one you agree with most. It will take FIVE MINUTES and will go a LONG way to STOPING fascism. The democratic vote is YOUR way to shape YOUR world and YOU have to use it to stop these sick people taking over.

 

I don’t care if you’re politically apathetic, a diehard liberal, a socialist, a dirty Tory ;-) or even a commie bastard. It’s up to you to VOTE against the BNP, whoever you decide to choose. Find a political party. Use your voice. Stop Fascism.

 

X x Peace out Y’all x X

 

 

 

 

Here are some starting points that expose the BNP for who they are.

 

Nick Griffin – LEADER of the BNP and representing YOU in Europe...

 

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– Shocking! You MUST watch this.

 

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsnSZnhygQY – His views on Barack Obama

 

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– Holocaust denier

 

 

 

Mark Collett. Failed Leeds Uni student now Young BNP leader...

 

* http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5D9E2CAD25BE740C&search_query=Nazi+Boy

 

The above is with Russell Brand and it’s very good and exposes what a little slimy coward Collett is.

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- Speech he got arrested for.

 

 

 

Of course there is plenty of content on YouTube which expose the BNP for who they are. There are other websites which are more obvious. I.e...

 

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

 

* http://bnp.org.uk/ - make sure you read between the lines on this one, propaganda in its rawest form.

 

 

 

And if those of you are feeling particularly adventurous... (and I mean really adventurous) then read some of the sickening things on this pro-BNP website which expose the supporters for who they really are. I’m sorry if this upsets or offends you because it’s really, really sick and defiantly not for the faint hearted but it does highlight just WHY IT’S SO IMPORTANT TO STOP THESE RACIST THUGS!

 

* http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=91

 

What amazes me is how Nick Griffin has adapted his speech to the mass public. I can see him catching a few more people if he gives speeches of that nature again. It's disgusting the way he disgueses his true feeling and manipulates language and ideas to represent himself and his party. Truly, truly sickening. He is selling 'freedom' and pushing for a dictatorship. What a truly dark day in British politics. His passion truly frightens me.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Nicktendo

[ipaul]

What has annoyed me about tonights elections is how much the Green vote went up and how they didn't get any more seats Just have to hope they get that MP in Norwich in the general election.

 

A truly sad night for British politics. I think low voter turnout for the main parties it to blame, along with the racist scum we appear to have lurking in our country. Such a shame.

[BlueStar]

Congratulations to non-voters in the North West who showed their displeasure at the expenses system by staying home or spoiling their ballot papers, letting the BNP get in even though they got less votes than they did last time. Here's your MEP you thick cunts, nice protest.

Edited June 8, 2009 by BlueStar

[gaggle64]

I actually feel ashamed to be British this morning.

[chairdriver]

What effect do you think the BNP having a seat will have on things?

 

Everyone's crying about it, but is one seat going to swing things that much?

 

(Both genuine questions, because I don't know how the european parliament thing works).

[Nicktendo]

What effect do you think the BNP having a seat will have on things?

 

Everyone's crying about it, but is TWO seats going to swing things that much?

 

(Both genuine questions, because I don't know how the european parliament thing works).

 

Yes, it can affect things greatly. I'm not going to pretend I understand European Parliament because I don't but...

 

- The British National Party have some power and influence on a LEGITIMATE scale and platform.

- They will recieve funding for being part of the European Parilament

- They will be able to construct and distribute propaganda more easily dude to an increase in funds and power.

- They will be able to easily and readily align themselves with other extremist right-wing parties in Europe.

- The media is less likely to ignore them.

[EEVILMURRAY]

People often say to me, “I don’t vote, they’re all the same.” “It’s a waste of time.” “No one represents me.” Well, quite frankly all of that is wrong. It’s downright ignorant to think that. It’s up to you, the individual to do the leg work, seek out information and cast your vote - something you are oblivious to just how lucky you are to have that. Many people who inhabit this world don’t have that basic right. Yet so many people in this country are too self-involved to walk 5 minutes down the road to put a cross on a piece of paper.

You make it sound as if 5 minutes is all it is, you've just said that loads of time must be spent doing the legwork and seeking the information. I do understand where you're coming from and I agree totally, but don't make it sound like it's all about being lazy for just 5 minutes.

 

I'll admit to being lazy on one point. The majority of information I got from some parties was the "Party Political Broadcast" they had before Eggheads. That's where I found the niceness of UKIP, but I can't remember what they said ¬_¬

 

On that point, it’s a fairly obvious fact that all the people who WANTED to vote for the BNP, DID vote for the BNP because of the nature of far-right politics.

So you complain that people don't vote under the excuse that "No one represents me", because they don't do the legwork [Note: Still agree], but when these people vote for who they believe represents them that's not right either?

 

They would also reinstate the death penalty. Stepping back in time a bit, eh? There are plenty of ethical issues with the death penalty which I won’t go into...

I must confess, I wouldn't mind the death penalty back again.

 

All I’ll say is: which human has the right to take another’s life? And what if someone was put to death and new evidence suggested they were innocent... A bit late, isn’t it?

That would be something you'd have to take up with the American Judicial System, they probably have more experience in that field.

[chairdriver]

But if the BNP try to install any new laws concerning immigration or anything, all the other parties will just be like "... um.... no."

[Nicktendo]

So you complain that people don't vote under the excuse that "No one represents me", because they don't do the legwork [Note: Still agree], but when these people vote for who they believe represents them that's not right either?

 

People are entitled to vote for the BNP if they so chose. If they feel represented by them, that is their choice. But when on a NATIONAL scale they get 2.21% of the electorate, yet win 2 out of 69 seats in European Parliament, something is wrong.

 

As I said, I firmly believe that anyone who wanted to vote for the BNP did. People who chose not to vote could have countered this vastly minorty party's success by going to the polls. Voter apathy is what has allowed these norrow-minded idiots into power, what's really needed is compulsey voting like Australia has which would prevent 'mistakes' like this from happenening.

[EEVILMURRAY]

People are entitled to vote for the BNP if they so chose. If they feel represented by them, that is their choice. But when on a NATIONAL scale they get 2.21% of the electorate, yet win 2 out of 69 seats in European Parliament, something is wrong.

That's actually an avenue worth investigating, do they ever show the "results" for the entire country? Because it would be interesting to see the "big" picture.

 

Anyways, I'm just perusing through these videos you posted. I have to admit, this Griffin chap sure has the minerals.

[Slaggis]

But if the BNP try to install any new laws concerning immigration or anything, all the other parties will just be like "... um.... no."

 

The point is without funding help, they managed to have some relative success. Now, they have cash, expect them to win more seats next time round if the economic situation hasn't changed. The fact they have funding to spread their views to a wider audience is a terrifying thought.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Slaggis

[chairdriver]

The point is without funding help, they managed to have some relative success. Now, they have cash, expect them to win more seats next time round if the ecomomic situation hasn't changed. The fact they have funding to spread their views to a wider audience is a terrifying thought.

 

Hopefully all the people on the fence will know that they have to vote, and the BNP will lose seats.

 

I mean, of my circle of friends who are 18+, there's about 20, and only me and 2 others actually voted...

 

I'm sure next time they'll all be convinced to vote, especially since they're all sensibly rounded real people, just not politically-minded.

[EEVILMURRAY]

And if those of you are feeling particularly adventurous... (and I mean really adventurous) then read some of the sickening things on this pro-BNP website which expose the supporters for who they really are. I’m sorry if this upsets or offends you because it’s really, really sick and defiantly not for the faint hearted but it does highlight just WHY IT’S SO IMPORTANT TO STOP THESE RACIST THUGS!

 

* http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=91

 

First thread I clicked: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=607656

 

This WhiteChick666 seems quite fiesty.

 

I feel quite a few members here would agree with what that forum is saying... I think we should join.

[Will]

I find it odd that people complain about the BNP getting seats. They won them absolutely fair and square in the system all parties have to operate under. Just because you personally don't agree with them doesn't make it disgusting and unfair that they have gained seats. The people that want to be represented have chosen them with their votes and that's that.

 

I don't agree with the views of the BNP at all, but to say its disgusting/a disgrace/unfair etc. that they have some seats is pretty much lowering yourself to their level.

[Slaggis]

I find it odd that people complain about the BNP getting seats. They won them absolutely fair and square in the system all parties have to operate under. Just because you personally don't agree with them doesn't make it disgusting and unfair that they have gained seats. The people that want to be represented have chosen them with their votes and that's that.

 

I don't agree with the views of the BNP at all' date=' but to say its disgusting/a disgrace/unfair etc. that they have some seats is pretty much lowering yourself to their level.[/quote']

 

Bullshit. They only got in because they managed to take advatage of the economic situation and swoop in and get votes from mis-informed and frankly uneducated people. They pick on the vulnerable areas and target them, and it worked. In no way is it "fair" that a political party as racist and homophobic as they are in 2009 managed to become part of the political system.

[Will]

It's completely fair that they got in. We live in a society where the uneducated, as you call them, have as much of a say as the educated do. Rightly or wrongly this is who a sizeable amount of people want to be represented by.

 

Perhaps you would prefer the government to tell us who is right to be representing us and we go along with it without any say?

[EEVILMURRAY]

Bullshit. They only got in because they managed to take advatage of the economic situation and swoop in and get votes from mis-informed and frankly uneducated people.

Even those sort of people are allowed to vote.

[Slaggis]

Perhaps you would prefer the government to tell us who is right to be representing us and we go along with it without any say?

 

 

I cannot fathom anyone saying it's "fair" for someone with those kind of views to get into the political system. It's like we've just taken a 50 year step back. I'm aware people voted for them' date=' and I'm away it's a democracy, but I don't give a toss to be quite honest. Whoever thought voting for a party such as them deserves no respect whatsoever.

 

Even those sort of people are allowed to vote.

 

Hang on, when did I say they didn't? I said the BNP targeted them knowing they would be able to get votes from them. I never once said they shouldn't be allowed to vote did I?

Edited June 8, 2009 by Slaggis
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[EEVILMURRAY]

Hang on, when did I say they didn't? I said the BNP targeted them knowing they would be able to get votes from them. I never once said they shouldn't be allowed to did I?

Baby baby, cheel. I wasn't saying you said they couldn't.

[The fish]

First thread I clicked: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=607656

 

This WhiteChick666 seems quite fiesty.

 

I feel quite a few members here would agree with what that forum is saying... I think we should join.

 

By "I think we should join" I take it you mean "en-mass troll/forum rape"?

[Pestneb]

I don't think it is fair actually.

I think all the parties should tally up their votes, and it should be proportional representation on a national scale. I find it unfair, that English Democrats,

Christian Party-Christian Peoples Alliance and Socialist Labour Party all got more votes than Plaid cymru, yet PC got a seat, and the other 3 didn't. I also find the distribution of seats throughout europe unfair. Czech get a number of seats that equates to us getting about 80 or 90 seats, not the 70 odd we do get. though tbh seeing the BNP among our few seats I'm glad we don't have more to potentially give them.

[Nicktendo]

By "I think we should join" I take it you mean "en-mass troll/forum rape"?

 

If anyone decides to do that be very, very careful I've heard stories of IP's being traced and people being hunted down and attacked. These people are dangerous, violent thugs.