Shino Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What I don't get is, if what we experience is 3D, then our universe is 3D. If we can feel and experience everything in 3D, then who's to say what is and isn't real? From what I understand, what this two over layed 2D universes projects is still 3D and our reality even if an hologram is still real. Nothing really changes besides our own understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 If people's head where blown up trying to read the news detail in full. Parts of it: The holographic paradigm also has implications for so-called hard sciences like biology. Keith Floyd, a psychologist at Virginia Intermont College, has pointed out that if the concreteness of reality is but a holographic illusion, it would no longer be true to say the brain produces consciousness. Rather, it is consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain -- as well as the body and everything else around us we interpret as physical. Such a turnabout in the way we view biological structures has caused researchers to point out that medicine and our understanding of the healing process could also be transformed by the holographic paradigm. If the apparent physical structure of the body is but a holographic projection of consciousness, it becomes clear that each of us is much more responsible for our health than current medical wisdom allows. What we now view as miraculous remissions of disease may actually be due to changes in consciousness which in turn effect changes in the hologram of the body. Similarly, controversial new healing techniques such as visualization may work so well because, in the holographic domain of thought, images are ultimately as real as "reality". Even visions and experiences involving "non-ordinary" reality become explainable under the holographic paradigm. In his book "Gifts of Unknown Things," biologist Lyall Watson describes his encounter with an Indonesian shaman woman who, by performing a ritual dance, was able to make an entire grove of trees instantly vanish into thin air. Watson relates that as he and another astonished onlooker continued to watch the woman, she caused the trees to reappear, then "click" off again and on again several times in succession. Although current scientific understanding is incapable of explaining such events, experiences like this become more tenable if "hard" reality is only a holographic projection. Perhaps we agree on what is "there" or "not there" because what we call consensus reality is formulated and ratified at the level of the human unconscious at which all minds are infinitely interconnected. If this is true, it is the most profound implication of the holographic paradigm of all, for it means that experiences such as Watson's are not commonplace only because we have not programmed our minds with the beliefs that would make them so. In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality. What we perceive as reality is only a canvas waiting for us to draw upon it any picture we want. Anything is possible, from bending spoons with the power of the mind to the phantasmagoric events experienced by Castaneda during his encounters with the Yaqui brujo don Juan, for magic is our birthright, no more or less miraculous than our ability to compute the reality we want when we are in our dreams. Indeed, even our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, as Pribram has pointed out, even random events would have to be seen as based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality would have to be seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events would express some underlying symmetry. Whether Bohm and Pribram's holographic paradigm becomes accepted in science or dies an ignoble death remains to be seen, but it is safe to say that it has already had an influence on the thinking of many scientists. And even if it is found that the holographic model does not provide the best explanation for the instantaneous communications that seem to be passing back and forth between subatomic particles, at the very least, as noted by Basil Hiley, a physicist at Birbeck College in London, Aspect's findings "indicate that we must be prepared to consider radically new views of reality". "If this is true, it is the most profound implication of the holographic paradigm of all, for it means that experiences such as Watson's are not commonplace only because we have not programmed our minds with the beliefs that would make them so. In a holographic universe there are no limits to the extent to which we can alter the fabric of reality." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Oh, dear. Can't wait for the creationists version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Oh, dear. Can't wait for the creationists version. "What you're referring to as the 2 dimensional reality at the edge of the universe is actually God's sketchpad. This "Hologram" is in fact God's creation of our world." Possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayseven Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Awesome. Magic's back! Kinda spoils one of my novel ideas, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyxis Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Aren't all these different theories like religions? Certain people believe certain ones and all of them are probably false. People are trying to explain what can't be explained. Best not to put too much faith in guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothicPlague Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Legendary reference! Knightmare was pure awesome! So awesome it has an awesome song inspired by it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfAKM0Wj_PA On topic I think I can just about grasp this concept although I'm not entirely sure whether to believe this theory or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diageo Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If I understood this right, that book "the secret" might not have been complete crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViPeR Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I feel sorry for the poor bastard who created this hologram world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jav_NE Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Its too late for me to understand this craziness, i'm completely lost. Perhaps diagrams would help explain all this instead of lengthy explanations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If I understood this right, that book "the secret" might not have been complete crap. I've always liked the idea that all unexplained phenomena are just phenomena that hasn't been explained by science yet. With the introduction of quantum physics, string theory, and now this, suddenly many of those phenomena could be explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Its too late for me to understand this craziness, i'm completely lost. Perhaps diagrams would help explain all this instead of lengthy explanations? From Gaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergrunch Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Aren't all these different theories like religions? Certain people believe certain ones and all of them are probably false. People are trying to explain what can't be explained. Best not to put too much faith in guessing. That's always the case with the frontier of science. If everyone took that attitude, then we wouldn't have explained anything - it's not like there were never alternative (and accepted theories) for what we now consider to be fact. Its too late for me to understand this craziness, i'm completely lost. Perhaps diagrams would help explain all this instead of lengthy explanations? Hmm, I'll have a go at better explaining it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergrunch Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Aren't all these different theories like religions? Certain people believe certain ones and all of them are probably false. People are trying to explain what can't be explained. Best not to put too much faith in guessing. That's always the case with the frontier of science. If everyone took that attitude, then we wouldn't have explained anything - it's not like there were never alternative (and accepted) theories for what we now consider to be fact. Its too late for me to understand this craziness, i'm completely lost. Perhaps diagrams would help explain all this instead of lengthy explanations? Hmm, I'll have a go at better explaining it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 The surface of the spherical universe in 2 dimensions is "covered" by bits of data. Each bit of data measures a planck length (smallest measurement of length with any meaning), which is unreachable in experiments. All the data of our universe is there on the surface, or in another way to look at it, that data is our universe. That data is being encoded in 3 dimensions within the universe. An hologram must have as much data on the inside as on the surface, but of course the volume of a sphere is much bigger than the surface. In order for the inside to have as many bits as the outside, the "grains" of data are blown up and get blurry (bad upscaling), thus being bigger than planck length and more probable to be measured experimentally. I'm sure grunch will pick this apart and correct everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I like the idea of being the concious metadata to the data, just like Yuki from Haruhi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
or else you will DIE Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 lol @ science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ironically this all makes sense if you are really really high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 My brain just exploded into a big sloshy mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raining_again Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 My brain just exploded into a big sloshy mess. Right behind you dude. I first read this thread at 4am- I think my brain melted at the time! I've only recovered now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Watched the first two episode of series 5 of Lost? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roostophe Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I like the idea of being the concious metadata to the data, just like Yuki from Haruhi. Only post in this thread I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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