Domstercool Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 The Financial Times are reporting that part of Paramount Studio's deal with the HD-DVD camp included a get-out clause. Said clause would be triggered when and if Warner turned coat and signed with Blu-Ray. Oops. Paramount are now "poised" to do just that, leaving the vast majority of studios aligned with team Blu-Ray and HD-DVD dead in the water. And here comes another one on board.
Guest Jordan Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 My guess is, HD-DVD will either do one of three things: 1, Die, never to be seen again. 2, Do the beta max route and become the choice of TV program makers. 3, Be the PC choice, cheaper to burn, cheaper drives.
Fierce_LiNk Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 I hope DVD can stick it out for a good few years, yet. I'm a bit reluctant to adopt any of the two formats, especially if one or both will become redundant in the next few years.
Ten10 Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 It will still be interesting to see HD DVD's next move. It may still be possible for them to turn things around, but I don't see anything beyond agressive pricing, which could also be seen as shops trying to get rid of dead stock. Either way it seems the blu-ray era is nigh.
Rowan Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 It does seem likely that Blu-Ray is getting closer to being the winning format. However at the moment I do not have a HD TV so I am happy to be sticking with DVDs for a few years. Hopefully Blu-Ray discs will also go down in price. Sorry if this is a silly question but can Blu-Ray drives read normal DVD discs?
Choze Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 There is now news that Universal are not renewing their HDDVD agreement... Also Some companies are going to include copies of the movie to be transfered via USB to PSP, Phone , ipod etc. (For Blu Ray ) My guess is, HD-DVD will either do one of three things: 1, Die, never to be seen again. 2, Do the beta max route and become the choice of TV program makers. 3, Be the PC choice, cheaper to burn, cheaper drives. Problem is that betamax was superior tech wise. Thats why industry adopted it. Also with pc drives just look at the awfuly slow burning specs for HDDVD not to mention lack of space. It just was an inferior format period. Sorry if this is a silly question but can Blu-Ray drives read normal DVD discs? Ofcourse. DVD's are enahnced by the players if you have HDTV.
DCK Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 Also with pc drives just look at the awfuly slow burning specs for HDDVD not to mention lack of space. It just was an inferior format period. Oh come on, would you stop just saying that and give arguments we haven't debunked? I'd say it's a pretty viable option that HD DVD becomes more popular on the PC. Bluray won't allow moviez, and HD DVD is a cheaper format. I doubt it'll happen, though, as the consumer tends to stick with what he knows.
Choze Posted January 8, 2008 Posted January 8, 2008 Oh come on, would you stop just saying that and give arguments we haven't debunked? I'd say it's a pretty viable option that HD DVD becomes more popular on the PC. Bluray won't allow moviez, and HD DVD is a cheaper format. I doubt it'll happen, though, as the consumer tends to stick with what he knows. What do you mean Blu Ray wont allow moviez? The biggest pc manufacturers are Blu Ray.
McPhee Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 The biggest pc manufacturers are Blu Ray. Like who? All the big computer manufacturers have been sat on the fence, releasing PCs and Laptops with both drives. The only example i can think of is Dell Choze, you don't half speak some shit.
Caris Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 There was blu-ray drives before HD-DVD to be fair.
Ten10 Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 Here is some propaganda from the HD DVD Promotional group press release its quite long so I slapped it in a spoiler tag. There are now more than 400 HD DVD titles available in the US and more than 1,000 available worldwide. During the key five-week holiday selling period, HD DVD software sales grew at nearly twice the rate of Blu-ray, which was consistent with increased player growth. Among all high-definition formats, HD DVD still maintains the highest attach rates — more than twice the rate of Blu-ray. Toshiba’s HD DVD players received several Editor’s Choice and Product of the Year awards from respected media outlets, including Sound & Vision, Electronic House, E-Gear, and Ultimate AV. HD DVD-enabled PCs represented more than 80% of all high definition-capable PCs in 2007. The HD DVD companies expect notebook PCs in particular to be the variable that helps keep quality high, but prices low, by driving down manufacturing costs for drives across all HD DVD players. In 2007, HD DVD went from being supported by 41 studios and distributors worldwide to 65. In 2007, HD DVD led the way with never-before-seen interactive experiences that have changed how consumers interact with their favorite movies: HD DVD was first to offer true picture-in-picture director’s commentary with Warner’s 300. This feature was not included in the Blu-ray version, and showcases a key HD DVD feature that caters directly to the fan community. Universal’s Heroes and Paramount’s Transformers also included picture-in-picture features that enhance the experience for fans. HD DVD was also the first to deliver web-connected content, offering bonus material on titles such as The Bourne Ultimatum, Heroes: Season 1, and Transformers — all offering downloadable content that’s continually updated so fans can return for new features. I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better.
Nintenchris Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 Here is some propaganda from the HD DVD Promotional group press release its quite long so I slapped it in a spoiler tag. There are now more than 400 HD DVD titles available in the US and more than 1,000 available worldwide. During the key five-week holiday selling period, HD DVD software sales grew at nearly twice the rate of Blu-ray, which was consistent with increased player growth. Among all high-definition formats, HD DVD still maintains the highest attach rates — more than twice the rate of Blu-ray. Toshiba’s HD DVD players received several Editor’s Choice and Product of the Year awards from respected media outlets, including Sound & Vision, Electronic House, E-Gear, and Ultimate AV. HD DVD-enabled PCs represented more than 80% of all high definition-capable PCs in 2007. The HD DVD companies expect notebook PCs in particular to be the variable that helps keep quality high, but prices low, by driving down manufacturing costs for drives across all HD DVD players. In 2007, HD DVD went from being supported by 41 studios and distributors worldwide to 65. In 2007, HD DVD led the way with never-before-seen interactive experiences that have changed how consumers interact with their favorite movies: HD DVD was first to offer true picture-in-picture director’s commentary with Warner’s 300. This feature was not included in the Blu-ray version, and showcases a key HD DVD feature that caters directly to the fan community. Universal’s Heroes and Paramount’s Transformers also included picture-in-picture features that enhance the experience for fans. HD DVD was also the first to deliver web-connected content, offering bonus material on titles such as The Bourne Ultimatum, Heroes: Season 1, and Transformers — all offering downloadable content that’s continually updated so fans can return for new features. I think they're just trying to make themselves feel better. "Among all high-definition formats, HD DVD still maintains the highest attach rates — more than twice the rate of Blu-ray." thats most likely because they hand out lots HD DVD's free with every player you buy...
Mundi Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 About the Paramount thing: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/paramount-current-plan-is-to-support-the-hd-dvd-format-curre/ Like beating a dead horse....
Choze Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 Keeping fanboys at bay on both sides here. Why the hell would MS actually care who won or not? Their codecs power both formats! They make money either way. HDDVD used HDi which is a technology by MS. Blu Ray does not use this, they used well established Java instead. MS gain more in royalties through HDDVD. Choze, you don't half speak some shit. Blu Ray is winning because of sales not because of magic. The cold hard facts are that it has more of everything in a sense from space to support. Its growing faster than DVD did which is very impressive.
Guest Jordan Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 HDDVD used HDi which is a technology by MS. Blu Ray does not use this, they used well established Java instead. MS gain more in royalties through HDDVD. I thought they all used VC1 or whatever its called. I'm talking about the video codecs, not menu systems/OS btw...
Choze Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 I thought they all used VC1 or whatever its called. I'm talking about the video codecs, not menu systems/OS btw... Yeah both use MS's codec, but MS have moreto gain in HDDVD with the interactive stuff being theirs.
Aimless Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 I'm just glad one of the formats looks like it's set to win, to be honest. Blu-Ray was my preference anyway as I already have a PS3, but the only movie I own is Casino Royale, and that was free. My hope is that now all the film companies seem to be leaning towards BR we should see releases that are actually worth upgrading for. I mean, okay, better video and audio quality is great for those of us with 7.1 sound systems and the like, but personally I'm more interested in seeing more extra features fill up those disks. But I guess I'll be waiting until Profile 2 discs start appearing.
Goron_3 Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 I hope HD-DVD doesn't just disappear, considering that the players and the HD-DVD's are much cheaper (well, where i live anyway). The next couple of months will be very interesting for hd-dvd.
fex Posted January 10, 2008 Author Posted January 10, 2008 Ouch! OK... It's all over for HD-DVD now. Transformers HD-DVD will now play on a PS3 - Proof It requires a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray burner, but if you know some guy selling this it makes it all the more easier. And could you give me his phone number I would like a copy. Heres a video of a HD-DVD rip on the PS3.
DCK Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Eh? That's illegal and could be done the other way around as well.
Sheikah Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I hope HD-DVD doesn't just disappear, considering that the players and the HD-DVD's are much cheaper (well, where i live anyway). The next couple of months will be very interesting for hd-dvd. You know, BDs will only become cheaper. IMO, HD-DVDs will completely phase out of existence, gradually. Eh? That's illegal and could be done the other way around as well. What, from the non-existant Transformers BD? :p I see what you mean, but what with 0.00001% of customers ever having the effort to do that I hardly see it spelling a burst of life for HD-DVD.
Jasper Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 What, from the non-existant Transformers BD? :p I see what you mean, but what with 0.00001% of customers ever having the effort to do that I hardly see it spelling a burst of life for HD-DVD. Why the hell would something as ridiculous as that end the war? Now something serious as Warner jumping the BD camp, or Paramount not extending it's exclusivity, that coudl decide the war. And not even 0.001% of the population would jump through these hoops.
M-PG71C Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Whoever talked about PC support on Blu-Ray, it should be noted Dell, Apple, HP, and Sony's own brand create PCs with BRD. In other words, the PC industry in itself is alligned with BRD and has been for a long time now. Bottom line, HD DVD is finished and the medium is on life support. When, which will happen, Universal and Paramount leave, the format will be finished completely. If you are going to invest into a player, invest into Blu-Ray.
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