Mundi Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 About the Paramount thing: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/paramount-current-plan-is-to-support-the-hd-dvd-format-curre/ Like beating a dead horse....
Guest Jordan Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 HDDVD used HDi which is a technology by MS. Blu Ray does not use this, they used well established Java instead. MS gain more in royalties through HDDVD. I thought they all used VC1 or whatever its called. I'm talking about the video codecs, not menu systems/OS btw...
Aimless Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 I'm just glad one of the formats looks like it's set to win, to be honest. Blu-Ray was my preference anyway as I already have a PS3, but the only movie I own is Casino Royale, and that was free. My hope is that now all the film companies seem to be leaning towards BR we should see releases that are actually worth upgrading for. I mean, okay, better video and audio quality is great for those of us with 7.1 sound systems and the like, but personally I'm more interested in seeing more extra features fill up those disks. But I guess I'll be waiting until Profile 2 discs start appearing.
Goron_3 Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 I hope HD-DVD doesn't just disappear, considering that the players and the HD-DVD's are much cheaper (well, where i live anyway). The next couple of months will be very interesting for hd-dvd.
fex Posted January 10, 2008 Author Posted January 10, 2008 Ouch! OK... It's all over for HD-DVD now. Transformers HD-DVD will now play on a PS3 - Proof It requires a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray burner, but if you know some guy selling this it makes it all the more easier. And could you give me his phone number I would like a copy. Heres a video of a HD-DVD rip on the PS3.
DCK Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Eh? That's illegal and could be done the other way around as well.
Sheikah Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 I hope HD-DVD doesn't just disappear, considering that the players and the HD-DVD's are much cheaper (well, where i live anyway). The next couple of months will be very interesting for hd-dvd. You know, BDs will only become cheaper. IMO, HD-DVDs will completely phase out of existence, gradually. Eh? That's illegal and could be done the other way around as well. What, from the non-existant Transformers BD? :p I see what you mean, but what with 0.00001% of customers ever having the effort to do that I hardly see it spelling a burst of life for HD-DVD.
Jasper Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 What, from the non-existant Transformers BD? :p I see what you mean, but what with 0.00001% of customers ever having the effort to do that I hardly see it spelling a burst of life for HD-DVD. Why the hell would something as ridiculous as that end the war? Now something serious as Warner jumping the BD camp, or Paramount not extending it's exclusivity, that coudl decide the war. And not even 0.001% of the population would jump through these hoops.
M-PG71C Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Whoever talked about PC support on Blu-Ray, it should be noted Dell, Apple, HP, and Sony's own brand create PCs with BRD. In other words, the PC industry in itself is alligned with BRD and has been for a long time now. Bottom line, HD DVD is finished and the medium is on life support. When, which will happen, Universal and Paramount leave, the format will be finished completely. If you are going to invest into a player, invest into Blu-Ray.
Wesley Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 This is just all karma for the Beat Max thing.
McPhee Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Whoever talked about PC support on Blu-Ray, it should be noted Dell, Apple, HP, and Sony's own brand create PCs with BRD. In other words, the PC industry in itself is alligned with BRD and has been for a long time now. Bottom line, HD DVD is finished and the medium is on life support. When, which will happen, Universal and Paramount leave, the format will be finished completely. If you are going to invest into a player, invest into Blu-Ray. Actually, the only companies that only make Blu-Ray computers are Dell and Sony. Apple haven't bothered at all, despite putting they're name in the Blu-Ray camp at the start of this. HP, Acer, Asus and Toshiba all have HD-DVD machines out. I really hate it when people try to use bullshit to correct me
McPhee Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 bullshit? Your post is the very definition of mistakes. Also dont be rude. Alot of HDDVD owners are saying they were mislead which seems true in your case. HP, Samsung, Acer, Asus etc. do have blu ray computers and laptops. Obviously companies like Sony, Panasonic, Dell, Alienware etc. are exclusive to Blu Ray. Also dont count out Apple so soon. They are part of the Blu Ray group and likely exclusive. The pc market is heavily Blu ray based and thats because of storage space and superior data transfer rates. Actually, everything i said was true. I'll source it all if you want?
Sheikah Posted January 11, 2008 Posted January 11, 2008 Why the hell would something as ridiculous as that end the war? Now something serious as Warner jumping the BD camp, or Paramount not extending it's exclusivity, that coudl decide the war. And not even 0.001% of the population would jump through these hoops. You misunderstood what I was saying. Someone said you could do it to make HD-DVDs from BDs too, so I said that I didn't see that keeping HD-DVD alive. :p
Noodleman Posted January 12, 2008 Posted January 12, 2008 The smart thing is to get rid of the stuff before prices drop like a rock. Because once Blu Ray wins all HD-DVD's will instantly become unwatchable
fex Posted January 12, 2008 Author Posted January 12, 2008 Because once Blu Ray wins all HD-DVD's will instantly become unwatchable This news has just been confirmed by Sony
Slaggis Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Blu-ray: Early adopters knew what they were getting intoby Nate Mook 203 Comments January 8, 2008, 8:16 PM Blu-ray may have taken a commanding lead in the next-generation format war, but the group has a big problem looming: early supporters of the format will be left out in the cold when the Blu-ray Disc Association introduces BD Profile 2.0 Unlike HD DVD, which mandated features such as local storage, a second video and audio decoder for picture-in-picture, and a network connection from the very beginning, the companies behind Blu-ray took a different approach. Initial hardware players lacked these capabilities in order to keep costs down. None of the Profile 1.0 players can be upgraded to Profile 1.1, which was finalized recently, with the exception of the PlayStation 3 -- whose update arrived in mid-December. Likewise, Profile 2.0 is expected to arrive in October bringing Internet connectivity that Profile 1.1 players lack. Representatives at the Blu-ray booth at CES told BetaNews that the PlayStation 3 is currently the only player they would recommend, due to upcoming changes to the platform. But Pioneer, Samsung, Panasonic and Sony have all been selling standalone Blu-ray players to customers. In order to allay confusion, the BDA has adopted special labels that will be placed on Blu-ray movies. Those with a "Bonus View" sticker will require Profile 1.1 players, while those with "BD Live" will require Profile 2.0. In addition, the BD-J interactivity layer, based on Java, has continued to evolve since the introduction of Blu-ray Profile 1.0. This means that early players may have a buggy implementation and perhaps more importantly, they are not powerful enough to play the latest films properly. When BetaNews asked developers of BD Live whether they were concerned about a backlash from early adopters who supported the format from the beginning, we were told: "They knew what they were getting into." BDA President Andy Parsons echoed that sentiment at the Blu-ray press conference Monday, telling BetaNews that it's normal for new technology to change and older hardware to become obsolete. He added that early Blu-ray owners can continue to do everything they could in the beginning: watch movies in high-definition. Still, the confusion will only likely further alienate existing and potential customers of the nascent format. One key Blu-ray developer told BetaNews that although he builds discs for studios including Fox and Lionsgate, he did not buy a Blu-ray player for personal use. When BetaNews asked why these manufacturers rushed out players that were not fully capable and potentially buggy due to their BD-J implementation, the Blu-ray partner pointed blame across the room to HD DVD. "We should have waited another year to introduce Blu-ray to the public, but the format war changed the situation," he said. HD DVD was already coming and the BDA had no choice but to launch Blu-ray. No idea if that has been posted before, but thought I'd add my part to the arguement anyway.
Caris Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Meh you can still watch the film that's all most people will be bothered about.
Jasper Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Couldn't they define and implement before releasing players? Now I'm certainly not buying into BluRay with the chance of having my HD player rendered unusable because the HD movies won't properly play anymore...
c0Zm1c Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Just get a PS3, since (it seems) its profile can always be upgraded.
McPhee Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 This is why i dislike Blu Ray, it's very design is to screw consumers over. Hardware manufacturers love it because of the constantly evolving spec. Changes to BD-J mean that BD 1.0 and 1.1 players won't be able to play certain disks without skips/judders or possibly even at all! This means that all current Blu-Ray owners (apart from those with a PS3) will have to buy a new player in 12 months time, more lovely money for Panasonic, Samsung et all! Studios love it because of the DRM. Heck, theres even patents to lock disks to the first player it's used in (killing the 2nd hand market) and another to disable the player if it's tampered with in any way (by means of BD Live). No more region free and no more import market. It's all about Sony and they're partners grabbing as much cash as they can from idiot consumers who don't look at what they're buying. How many businesses are they going to kill by removing the 2nd hand and import markets? And how much free money have they gained from selling unfinished Blu-Ray players to unwary consumers?
DCK Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Just get a PS3, since (it seems) its profile can always be upgraded.Yeah, since the PS3 has more general computation capabilities it should theoretically always be compatible. It's a crap attitude to do this though. Things like this make me dislike the Bluray Association and (with that) Sony, they don't seem to care one bit about their consumers.
Sanchez Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 So how much do blu ray discs actually cost to manufacture and why?
Jasper Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 ony arent really at fault here. Early adopters knew this thats why most have a PS3. Its the highest quality player anyway. The upgradeable stuff is extra, so some people went with non upgradeable players knowingly. most players can be upgraded since they are linux boxes with blu ray drives really(ps3 aside). Its not really an issue can certainly not as bad as dvd players that couldnt read the second layer. Lets not get started with VHS. Honestly, I'm not buying a player to see it outdated just a year after I bought it. DVD didn't really change it's specification, but at least all devices manufactured before a certain date are unable to read it. If they add some more layers, the BD player in the PS3 is rendered useless too because some things can't be done via software. I don't see why they change this stuff all the time. It's for the better, of the new consumer. I'm not buying into this bullcrap. I bet Apple is going to save the day if they can manage to get video downloads running, because Microsoft's NBC download service certainly doesn't really cut it right now. Apple is doing great and I think that Apple will be much less adoptive to BluRay and much ore to ITMS. Downloads is the future, and APple is leading the way (sorry for sounding fanboyish, but all Microsoft attempts at online retail have failed, except for Xbox Marketplace, wich is limited to only xboxes).
Caris Posted January 13, 2008 Posted January 13, 2008 Apart from the fact that all music and video from the ITMS is covered in DRM...
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