ReZourceman Posted December 11, 2007 Share Posted December 11, 2007 I thought Charles power was being able to affect/see/something to do with peoples dreams. Then Peter absorbed it, thus they were able to interract in his dream. *Shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokong Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I thought Charles power was being able to affect/see/something to do with peoples dreams. Then Peter absorbed it, thus they were able to interract in his dream. *Shrugs* thats actually a good idea.... plus if it means anything, in the original promos wasn't Peter classed as "The Dreamer" of the bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 well up to ep3 of season 2 now...omg at all the revelations so far...I just can't believe how things are shaping up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 hold on! regarding ending... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnold Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Holy shit NEW trailer for Season 3 : Villains http://www.heroes-france.com/news_1197829289.htm Edit: you tube link a LITTLE clearer on the audio: http://youtube.com/watch?v=q6LN785iTlE Click the Spoiler tag for it, Audio isn't that great but you can make bits out of it Sylar looks fucking badass, and S£ is looknig to be a LOT darker in the series which can only lead to very very very amazing things. Site is in French too so I haven't got a clue whats being said in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Awesome find Arnold Found infomation on the trailer. They showed footage from the third volume, "Villains." DO NOT peek behind the cut unless you want to be spoiled! SYLAR, and lots of him. It's hard to describe exactly what we were shown--most of it must have been a dream sequence or future-jump scenario because everyone was dead. The bodies of the main cast were littered around what looked like a trashed Company prison. I can only remember Claire (dressed as a cheerleader) and Matt's bodies clearly, but it was pretty grotesque (yay! Not a lot of that this season). Apparently there will be the equivalent of "Seven Twelve Sylars running around." It sounds like seven twelve killers with abilities, locked up by The Company, have escaped. The only one prominently featured was a lithe black man who seemed to have preternatural speed--and used that to rip a cop's heart out of his chest (or did something with it that killed the guy because he was very much dead afterwards). If I remember correctly all the other killers were just shadows in the asylum's hallway. IMO it looks like Sylar may be the one to break these people out, since he is seen killing at least three people for their abilities... but perhaps he does so unintentionally, who knows. The "Seven Twelve Sylars" line is directly from the trailer and I don't think he'd invite that kind of competition. He probably breaks into the Company building wanting revenge and discovers they have a bunch of special people locked up... hey, buffet! It appears Sylar is caught by the Company again (he was tied down with a tube going into his nose). He's seen verbally toying with Elle while he's laying on a table as well as when he's upright and dressed normally, though the context was all over the place so who knows which comes first. They have a confrontation. The way it was edited implied--to me, at least--that he kills her, but that could have been within the context of the dream sequence/time-jump. Probably so. The BEST part was a a shot of Angela Petrelli in the asylum... and then hands coming up around her shoulders. The person behind her steps forward, and it's Sylar. Some of the other peeps in my party were taking that as confirmation that she's Teh Ev0l, but I figure that could just as well be her last minutes alive. There was an awful lot of her in the trailer too, actually, but she didn't look pleased by what was going on. It's hard to describe it all and I know I'm not great at recounting it, but I was SO JAZZED to see this footage. I was shocked, because I wasn't expecting to be so impressed after the lackluster volume two. I CANNOT WAIT NOW. Get this f***ing strike over with so we can make way for the win, plz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowV7 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Man that trailer was awesome. Looks fantastic and definently can't wait to see Season 3 air. Dammit get this strike over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Looks bloody Awesome! Can't wait! What's this whole "Seven Twelve Sylars" crap they keep saying in that article? Noah says "Like twelve Sylars [running free]" http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/841/841573p1.html IGN TV: What's your take on the situation? Last week things seemed to be going relatively well, and then the bottom dropped out again. Kring: Listen, I don't know if this was always a part of the script. Clearly, a scenario that a lot of people have been talking about for awhile is this idea that the studios would go and make a deal with the directors and then we would follow after that. And clearly, that seems to be what it looks like is going to happen. IGN TV: You have a lot of your cast here with you today. What do they seem to think about the situation? Kring: Well, they're in a really tough spot, because as of right now, they don't have any issues other than wanting to go to work. Their issues will be talked about in the next few months. These issues that we're dealing with in this strike will become their issues, obviously, with the SAG members. But what's great is a lot of them really showed support. They came out not just to an event like this, but they came out many times and walked with us, so it's great. IGN TV: It must have been strange to have Heroes still in production for a bit when the strike began. Kring: Yeah, very surreal, because I immediately left the show and didn't cross the picket line and had the surreal experience of picketing my own show as it's in production. I can't even begin to describe what a bizarre thing that is, to see people you've worked with so closely coming in and out of the gate, as you're waving to them with a picket sign. It's a pretty strange experience! IGN TV: Is it correct that a couple more episodes were shot beyond what we've seen? Kring: No. We did a little bit of shooting on episode 12 and 13; specifically things like Zach Quinto's stuff, because he was going off to shoot Star Trek, so we made sure to shoot enough of his stuff to carry on, because he had a scheduling issue. And then we shot some storylines that we knew weren't connected, that were up ahead in episodes 12 and 13. But we pretty much are going to start from scratch when we come back. So we don't have episodes in the can. We have some material in the can, but by no means is it a full episode. IGN TV: How different was the new ending for Volume 2 from what was originally shot? Kring: Well, it was designed so that we could take advantage of a longer break than we hoped, and it turned out to have been really the right call. I think we ended up re-shooting about eight pages, maybe – six or eight pages, something like that. So it was about five minutes of that final episode that were altered. It allowed us to jump ahead. Originally Season 2 was going to be comprised of three volumes. Volume 2 was "Generations", Volume 3 was called "Exodus", Volume 4 was called "Villains." We now have dropped "Exodus" and jumped right to "Villains." And by rewriting this ending, it allowed us to do that. IGN TV: You did an interview with Entertainment Weekly that addressed complaints some had about the show earlier this season. Kring: Listen, when somebody asks me if there's anything that I would do differently on the show, the answer is "Yes, everything!" Literally everything. There isn't a frame of film that I watch that I don't think "Oh, well we could have done this! It could have been blue and not green!" And so you're kind of asking the wrong guy when you ask me what I could have done differently, because this group of writers and producers on this show are incredibly passionate about what we do and we are the worst critics; we are the most hard on our own stuff. We ask the tough questions every single day. We constantly analyze what we're doing and we constantly try and gauge where we should be and it's a very organic process. You have to remember that making a show like this is not like a cop show or a medical drama where there are literally dozens and dozens of models to fall back on – "Well, you know, we can put the same ending on Act 3 that they did on NYPD Blue in this episode." We don't have that luxury. The show is so sort of bold and innovative and new that we don't have a template to follow. So we're making these rules up as we go along. So, because of that and the organic process of the show, there are times when you go "Well, we should have zigged instead of zagging at this point." The good news is that we are often five, six, seven episodes ahead of where the audience is, so when the audience starts to get frustrated by something, we've already felt that frustration eternally and have adjusted for it. And I think Volume 2 was very much an example of that. I think just when the audience started to feel frustrated by things, sure enough they got to episodes where those things were addressed. And that wasn't us answering the audience, because we were weeks ahead. We started shooting these episodes in June, so we were pretty far along by the time they started airing. It wasn't like we were adjusting because of what we were hearing. The other thing that I'll say about it is that as you go along on a show like this, the fans become harder and harder to please. I mean it's just human nature. When something isn't shiny and new anymore, you start to look at it from different angles. And in many ways, the first season had all these same problems. We had these terrible complaints in the first season about "When are these people getting together?!" and "I don't understand this." We waited until episode 9 to bring people together last year, so the frustration level was really, really high. On a show like this, I think the shelf life gets shorter and shorter and shorter with frustration. We are just trying to commit ourselves to constantly being bold and pushing the boundaries of new storytelling, and a show like this has to stay fresh and has to stay new. With fans sometimes, if you're different they say "Why are you different?" And if you're not different, they say "Well, why are you the same old show?" So you're in a catch-22 oftentimes with an audience. All I know is that we have to keep moving forward, like a shark. We have to repopulate the show with new characters. Even though people sometimes don't want to see new characters, the truth is they kind of do. They kind of really do want to see new characters. Last year, I think we introduced over 20 characters in one season, and most of them I think met with success. So we felt very embolden that we could keep doing that. Why wouldn't we? We've had success with almost every single one. So it's all a work a progress. It's all a work in progress. IGN TV: Do you think Heroes: Origins will live again at some point? Kring: I really do. I think it's a fabulous idea and it was very schedule specific for this year, because it was designed to air in May and to fill up the season. That was the whole idea, was we would air until the end of April, and then Origins would go through May. It was a schedule-specific idea and it's going to have to be schedule-specific again. But it's part of the rub of television right now, in that people don't want to watch reruns. They want original programming, all the time. A television season is 39 weeks long, and most shows can do at most, 24 episodes, so therein lies the rub. If you've got 39 weeks and 24 episodes, what do you do for the rest of that time? And our idea was to come up with this other show that was produced as a separate entity, so it didn't tax our production. Do six episodes and we would expand our season to ostensibly 30 episodes by doing that. So my guess is that will still be a good idea next year, it's just we don't know when next year is! Next year doesn't exist right now. IGN TV: What can you say about the fates of Nathan and Niki? Kring: Well, my answer to that is it doesn't look good! [Laughs] It looks pretty dire. But as we've seen on Heroes, death is one of those things that's very, shall we say, fluid. So I would not completely count them out. IGN TV: Some fans are wondering if Claire's blood is too much of a miracle cure. I'm assuming that's something you've thought about as well? Kring: Yes. There's only so many times you can go to certain wells or it gets tempting to take the easy route. There's a few other tricks up our sleeve in that respect. The fans should just know that Volume 3, "Villains", when we hit the ground running is going to be pretty high velocity. While that doesn't mean action so much, it means tension and all that kind of stuff. It's going to be the cranked up version of our show. [At this point, Kristen Bell walked up to say goodbye to Kring before she left] IGN TV: And more of this young lady, I hope? Kring: And hopefully Kristen will be with us forever! But right now we've got her for a few more episodes. Good stuff! High velocity Season 3, Claires blood won't always be 'the easy way out', Wonder what the original Season 3 'Exodus' covered, If the show is left open to Kristen, wonder how she goes out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Presumably they could just temporarily write her off on a 'self discovery' trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 well iv just watched episode 9 of season 2, shocks aplenty....enjoying it although can see some of the criticisms levelled at it...cant wait to finish it so can start reading about season 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Not to go to the scandelous gossip collumn like area but: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a82372/heroes-co-stars-confirm-dating-rumours.html Hayden is 18, Milo is 30. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokong Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Not to go to the scandelous gossip collumn like area but: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a82372/heroes-co-stars-confirm-dating-rumours.html Hayden is 18, Milo is 30. :/ Pretty much the same age difference as Tom Cruise and Katy Holmes All I can say is Milo is a very lucky guy Only thing that'll weird me out is they play Uncle and Niece on screen:blank: *shudder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 Theres been weirder (the actors who play mother/son Julia/Matt on Nip/Tuck (lots of slashes there) and the actors who play step siblings Dexter and Deborah on Nip/Tuck). Besides, its not as if they've alluded to the Nathan/Peter and Claire family ties at all this year except one frickin' line. And find me something good about TomKat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 I thought it was already known that they were dating? Certainly it's seemed obvious to me by the pictures of people on set and such, they were always next to each other in any photo I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokong Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 And find me something good about TomKat. There's nothing good bout TomKat... that evil SOB ruinned my Dawson Creek fantasies, Katy is tainted now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 I thought it was already known that they were dating? Certainly it's seemed obvious to me by the pictures of people on set and such, they were always next to each other in any photo I've seen. Obvious, but never outright stated by either of them. In other news, when was it ever announced Elle's surname is Bishop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Just watching the season one boxset again, I think its a shame Zack was in season 2. He makes West seem even more pointless as Zack said all the stuff about Claire being special and needing to accept who she was already but without being a total dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Well finally caught up and watched season 2 so far, and meh it was ok, still better than almost everything on tv but not as good as the 1st one. Didn't like the way they seemingly built up Adam Monroe and Matts Dad and then very swiftly dealt with them. Also bit sceptical about Claires blood becoming a catch all for avoiding death... Anyway won a copy of the graphic novel on ebay, which is a sure way to help fuel my heroes fix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Well finally caught up and watched season 2 so far, and meh it was ok, still better than almost everything on tv but not as good as the 1st one. Didn't like the way they seemingly built up Adam Monroe and Matts Dad and then very swiftly dealt with them. Also bit sceptical about Claires blood becoming a catch all for avoiding death... Anyway won a copy of the graphic novel on ebay, which is a sure way to help fuel my heroes fix... It was actually better than season 1. Oh... and why are you saying Adam Monroe was very swiftly dealt with? He's not gone... much to the contrary. And about Matt's dad... what prison could hold that man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 It was actually better than season 1. Oh... and why are you saying Adam Monroe was very swiftly dealt with? He's not gone... much to the contrary. And about Matt's dad... what prison could hold that man? I mean swiftly dealt with once we knew he was in the future and Hiro meet back with him... I know neither have been killed off, but the build up to both was far more exciting than actually seeing them come to light and then fall... I disagree Season 1 all the way...Season 2 had some awesome parts but also some terrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Wel dont forget he most likely wasnt going to be dealt with as quickly as he was, but because of the writers strike things had to be ended quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I mean swiftly dealt with once we knew he was in the future and Hiro meet back with him... I know neither have been killed off, but the build up to both was far more exciting than actually seeing them come to light and then fall... I disagree Season 1 all the way...Season 2 had some awesome parts but also some terrible... Season 1 is a walking cliché. I liked it, but I vastly preffered season 2. You're the adrenaline type, you wanted a rush, I'm all for character development, and season 2 delivered just that... character development. And about Adam/Takezo, he's bound to return and cause major havoc... this was just a way to introduce him, did you see the name of the third chapter??? "Villains", doesn't that make you wonder what master Adam has in store for the future? I mean, this whole "virus to wipe out all humanity" crap was rather meh, he's bound to come back with some real purpose... Plus... Elle is easilly one of the best characters around. But fuck it, maybe it's me and my love for the unusual and original... that's why I love The Haitian, Sylar & Elle so much... they break out of character, they're not your usual stereotypes. As season 1 was Snatch... season two was Once Upon A Time In America. They're both great, but I'm all for character, I don't fucking care about adrenaline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 What character development? Hiro spend most of the season backwards, and then at the end got a push to go back to who he was. Peter literally went backwards as he couldn't remember anything, and then became the whiny self-indulged idiot he was last year. Claire once again was like "I hate my dad, I love my dad, I hate my dad" (although did develop a bit). Nathan gained a random drinking problem. His mom is just as sinister as last year. Niki wants to get better and it took her nine episodes, the rest of the time she was conflicted. I could go on but im forgetting names and need to get dressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 The most annoying thing about season 2 was definately Claire and HRG. Its like the writers just forgot about the great bond and trust they managed to create at the end of season 1. I blame West! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flameboy Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Season 1 is a walking cliché. I liked it, but I vastly preffered season 2. You're the adrenaline type, you wanted a rush, I'm all for character development, and season 2 delivered just that... character development. And about Adam/Takezo, he's bound to return and cause major havoc... this was just a way to introduce him, did you see the name of the third chapter??? "Villains", doesn't that make you wonder what master Adam has in store for the future? I mean, this whole "virus to wipe out all humanity" crap was rather meh, he's bound to come back with some real purpose... Plus... Elle is easilly one of the best characters around. But fuck it, maybe it's me and my love for the unusual and original... that's why I love The Haitian, Sylar & Elle so much... they break out of character, they're not your usual stereotypes. As season 1 was Snatch... season two was Once Upon A Time In America. They're both great, but I'm all for character, I don't fucking care about adrenaline. I can't got for that all...Heroes is not well written some of the dialogue can be very clunky. If I'd have written some of that stuff during my degree my tutor would have been tearing his hair out. Even some of the acting can be suspect at times. Note I say can be and at times. This is not all the time and there are emotional moments and well delivered lines. The thing that keeps it going is the twists and turns not the development. Some of the characters barely develop and just struggle on with whats up. What character development? Hiro spend most of the season backwards, and then at the end got a push to go back to who he was. Peter literally went backwards as he couldn't remember anything, and then became the whiny self-indulged idiot he was last year. Claire once again was like "I hate my dad, I love my dad, I hate my dad" (although did develop a bit). Nathan gained a random drinking problem. His mom is just as sinister as last year. Niki wants to get better and it took her nine episodes, the rest of the time she was conflicted. I could go on but im forgetting names and need to get dressed. I agree with this point of view more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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