The Bard

It all started with a bottle of JD and my dads affectation for using my sippy cup as a shot glass. JK. I started at about 14, got wasted off a hauge bottle of Jim Beam in the field behind my house, then I came home and slept like a baby for about 20 hours. Life was never the same again.

I did, and I maintain that any amount of alcohol is bad for you. Beneficial, too perhaps, but that's irrelevant. You complain that I took your metaphor too literally, and in a reciprocal gesture, I'm going to say that you look and rely too much solely on the tangible; you speak only of medical and physical benefits, and that is totally beside the point of what drugs are for in the first place. That is the true reason why your view is purely trivial; you speak without experience, and thus can have nothing more than a vicarious appreciation of drugs in the first place.

Yeah, that's a perfectly viable likening, presuming, of course, that these particular fish have somehow transcended the need for water as a respiratory medium (seeing as nobody in this thread is dependent on drugs, and most of us don't use them anymore). Of course, then, their willingness to preserve water would be more a genuinely benevolent act to preserve their fellow, less fortunate fish. In this metaphor I prefer to see the water dependent fish as self important, inexperienced know it alls with a penchant for bad analogies and fascist tendencies. Wrong. Basic chemistry: Alcohol, no matter the amount, is broken down into aldehydes and ketones in the digestive tract; poisonous substances that damage synaptic clefts (which is why many long term drinkers have hilariously inept motor functions). Alcohol, and it's removal from the blood stream is also what's responsible for what could very well be every liver disease/ infection/ ailment under the sun.

Yeah, and I'm sure you speak from experience. I used to smoke weed, I've taken Ex and Ketamine, none of them fucked me up, and I don't do them anymore because 1. I got bored 2. I didn't like the culture associated with them 3. Alcohol is the socially respectable man's mind altering drug of choice. I just find the huge number of assumptions present in your comments to be fucking hilarious.

The irony...it's...it's awe inspiring. That someone professing to be so philanthropic in their intent could hold such disgust and lack of esteem for anyone that says something that conflicts with their beliefs, just shows the fact that you don't really give a fuck about anything more than your own sense of importance. It's either that, or your whining naivete that prevent me from taking you seriously. You look at things far too idealistically. Yes, if smoking was banned, more people would have better health, but inevitably, it's your experiences that shape what you think and who you are; take away the right to choose, and you're taking away people's right to life. Yes, smokers are more likely to die early, junkies sometimes fund their addiction through crime: Statistics say so. The thing is, that statistics mean nothing. You and I are not statistics. To downplay ones individuality to the point where it's nothing more than a number on a page is an insult to a fundamental hallmark of being human; I'm saying the right to individualism is the most important right of all, in a rambling, not altogether coherent way. You can argue the bad effects of smoking all you want, I'll back you up from first hand experience, but what you can't do is force people to make the choice that to you is the right one. Nobody here is arguing that smoking isn't detrimental to health. The thing you don't seem to be able to accept is that to some people, physical well being isn't the most important aspect of ones life.

Pain in the arse? You must have one hairy colon. That is my sick joke for the day. I jokes

Yup, the date is TBC atm. If anyone else wants to come down and join in the fun, that would be cool .

Oh right, didn't know that. My bad.

Haha, cool stuff dude. I like your cover of My Apocalypse, you've got some wierd vibrato technique though lol. Got some decent tone from that RR aswell, not bad. We should have an inter forum metal band. It could be epic

I don't think that kinda screaming works for this band. In fact, I don't really like that sorta scream altogether. I prefer it to be more throaty and gluttural, more metalcore/ death metal I guess, less black metal. They're still brilliant.

Yeah. Something like that. Point is, it was legal ...

People take it legally all the time. Ever heard of dimorphene? Yeah, that's the fancypants name for Heroin. In it's purest form it's one of the safest drugs you can take; it's used in hospitals for epidurals and as a painkiller without a seconds hesitation. I wouldn't take it, mainly because it is a painkiller, and in the words of someone or another, "when I'm happy I like to think I've earned it," but as for it being legal, there are already more dangerous drugs available on the market. Not only to mention that opiates used to be legal a few centuries ago anyway. Again, I'm just pro choice.

Fixed for accuracy.

Bad idea bringing god into this.

I'm all for Heroin being legal, but as for driving without a license, and drink driving, those things are potentially lethal to other people. Get some perspective.

http:// http://www.myspace.com/thesafetyfire The safety fire. These guys are amazing, seriously, how the fuck are they from the UK? It's unbelievable. Think Between The Buried And Me, but with fewer dischords and more melodious. I love.

Yeah, fair enough about public bans, but you were talking about an overall ban of the substance altogether.

Yes, yes it is a bad thing. You're familiar with fascism, I presume? Where is the merit in forcing people to stop? That's not only an insult the the very sentiments that make this country what it is, but it's also something inherent in various religious dogmas. From what I remember of your views on religious doctrine, your attitude towards smoking seems more than slightly hypocritical. Banning smoking it's like telling a child to say sorry; it's pointless, because it's forced, causes nothing but resentment and inevitably means nothing. You can say "better health" all you want, but unless you're some supremely benevolent being, the ingenuousness of what you say is doubtful.

I'm not entirely sure that someone on the verge of suicide is really going to pay much consideration to the law, unless it's regarding ways to avoid it. Anyway, I think it's entirely a facade. Most people don't give two shits about you. They don't. The only reason most people would tell you to stop smoking is probably due to some overwhelming sense of self righteousness, and so if something does happen to you, they can shake their collective heads in mock pity. My dad is the heaviest smoker I know, he (in a somewhat ironic display of injustice) is perfectly healthy. Sure, I worry sometimes, but unless you're closely related to the person, I just think you should drop the pretense. Non smokers die...Every. Day. Whoops, it slipped.

Nah, It's on until 8th March.

Well, get down to Manchester this coming Friday, see Godot, and go drinking afterwards. Could be epic. I really don't want to see it by myself

Yeah I know . I'll get better once I've actually played more of the game. It's still fun to smack talk. You gona diiiiiiie!

New Bullet For My Valentine album annoys me. It's like...it's full of pop punk songs dressed up in Metal riffs and stylings. I want to hate it, but it's so damn infectious. *shoots self*

Yeah, I really should try modes other than Slayer/ Team slayer. I sucked so hard at Rocket Race. Sorry Shorty .

Dazzybee, have you read The Spire, by Golding? It's fantastic, it essentially deals with similar things to that play I think, Solipsism, delusion, and with a good amount of Golding-esque pessimism and symbolism. It's a difficult read at first, but totally worth it. Also, speaking of plays, Waiting for Godot is on at the Library Theater, should totally go see that. Anyone up for a meet up in Manchester?