This country and the government.

[dabookerman]

YAY, lets discuss politics. Here we talk about what you love about the british government, and what you dont love.

and, if you was prime minister, how would you run the country

[Blackfox]

Good thread.

 

Personally, I'm loving this government. The country has never been better in terms of education and healthcare. Billions have been invested in both areas and its really paying dividends. The uni I'll be (hopefully) attending was formed due to the billions of pounds worth of investment. So yeah, great stuff for Labour.

 

I know that people will come on here and go on about the Iraq war - which, in hndsight. was a grand waste of time, money and lives. Bad move Tony. And tutition fees - but does anyone fancy paying an extra 2p per pound income tax? Thought not. On the whole - Tony B has done well.

 

/awaits the flames

 

Edit:

 

If i was PM:

 

- Scricter boarder controls. Only immigrants with a skill or of benefit to the economy will be let in.

 

- National British (or English/Welsh/Scottish) Day. Time off work and be proud of your country.

 

- Hard labour for prisoners. make them work their debt to the country off.

 

- Nationalisation of all key (power, water, trains) services. Lack of service for profit at the expense of the population? Fuck off.

 

- Nationalised car insurance scheme. Instead of paying two fucking grand for insurance, let the country help you and pay less. No profit = savings for Joe Schmoe.

 

Who will vote for me then? :p

[MoogleViper]

If i was PM:

 

- Scricter boarder controls. Only immigrants with a skill or of benefit to the economy will be let in.

 

- National British (or English/Welsh/Scottish) Day. Time off work and be proud of your country.

 

- Hard labour for prisoners. make them work their debt to the country off.

 

- Nationalisation of all key (power, water, trains) services. Lack of service for profit at the expense of the population? Fuck off.

 

- Nationalised car insurance scheme. Instead of paying two fucking grand for insurance, let the country help you and pay less. No profit = savings for Joe Schmoe.

 

Who will vote for me then? :p

 

I'd vote for you, but i'll wait for the other candidates to join before i drop my slip in.

[dabookerman]

The police, or the law in general. Too lenient is an understatement. people cant stand up to proper criminals because they will get locked up themselves. if you get life IT MEANS LIFE, not 5 years parole.

 

IF i was PM :

 

-Youths over the age of 12 who commit crime will share the same treatment as adults.

-Proven Murders = Capital Punishment

Rape, convicted peadophilia, GBH against elderly and disabled, will all end up with life imprisonment with no chance for parole.

-Immigrants have a right to live in this country, but must not have any criminal records, must be able to communicate basic english.

-the police force will be doubled, and will reside in huge swarms in major crime areas. and they will be allowed to carry guns.

-much much more efforts must be made into keeping the streets clean, london is a trash dump.

-smoking will be banned in public places.

-alcohol will be made more expensive.

-schools that under achieve will be shut down and turned into prisons.

-the geneva conventions are VOID in prisons.

-minimum pay is £7

[Roostophe]

If I was PM, I'd get rid of half the Political Correctness, pass a law stating everybody in England should fly the flag of England on St. George's Day. Everybody in Scotland to fly the flag of Scotland on St. Andrew's Day and so on. And in any way does any member of the ethnic minorities has some stupid idea against flying the flag of your own country, then let them be offended and no-one to take action. If Pakistan might win the Cricket World Cup, then let the Pakistan cricket fans fly the Pakistan flag.

 

I have no proper plans, such as the NHS and Education as such, but If I do, I'll let ye know.

[Jav_NE]

Our country isnt bad, but what we do to other's with America is disgusting. Yes, i am mentioning Iraq, and dont think it will end there... theres oil in lots of places near Iraq and were just too damn stupid to fund renewable energy sources that we fund wars instead. This country sucks, were in the shadow of USA and we kiss their ass... how does that make us look? They are the most hated country in the world but all we care about is that they are the super power.

[Kurtle Squad]

There are too many things to say, so I think I'll avoid this thread from now on.

[Zell]

Fascist dictatorships seem to work well.

[gaggle64]

I'm not a big fan of the current Blair admistration, but I think we have a good system - with all the commities and petitions and other systems, there is a way to get heard one way or the other. The good press in this country helps too. I do think we need to stop being so calous with evryone else in the international community. I think it was right to depose Saddamn (our past dealing with him irregardless), but the post invasion period was just very badly planned.

 

If I were PM, I would give much more solid support to the UN. It's a great idea, but I think it hasn't been given the chance it deserves yet.

 

I would also -

-Sell off all of Britains nuclear weapons and use the billions we would save to improve schools, hospitals and the pensions crisis.

-Scrap council tax - replace with local income tax

-Scrap various stealth taxes - replace with higher income tax

-Nationalise the railways

-Give more power back to the unions

-Make better mates with our European neighbours

-More rehabilitation facilities for drug users/criminals/ect.

-Mental health treatment on the NHS

-More public facilities in urban areas eg. swimming pools/football pitches/leisure centres ect.

-Miltary action against the Sudanese government for crimes against hummanity, then Zimbabwe. With permision from the UN obviously.

-Develop renewable alternative energy sources - yes, that means windfarms. Get used to it.

[Kurtle Squad]

I'd toughen up the police force and also give them more powers, they can just be walked all over and are pretty pointless a lot of the time. I'd also lessen the paper work and all that stuff for them & allow them to give on the spot fines/'punishments', like they can in Spain.

It's SO stupid people being so picky about what the police do wrong with raids & shootings and such, they're only doing their best and they're only human; I'd like to see those moaners do a better f-ing job.

[Jack]

The police, or the law in general. Too lenient is an understatement. people cant stand up to proper criminals because they will get locked up themselves. if you get life IT MEANS LIFE, not 5 years parole.

 

IF i was PM :

 

-Youths over the age of 12 who commit crime will share the same treatment as adults.

-Proven Murders = Capital Punishment

Rape, convicted peadophilia, GBH against elderly and disabled, will all end up with life imprisonment with no chance for parole.

-Immigrants have a right to live in this country, but must not have any criminal records, must be able to communicate basic english.

-the police force will be doubled, and will reside in huge swarms in major crime areas. and they will be allowed to carry guns.

-much much more efforts must be made into keeping the streets clean, london is a trash dump.

-smoking will be banned in public places.

-alcohol will be made more expensive.

-schools that under achieve will be shut down and turned into prisons.

-the geneva conventions are VOID in prisons.

-minimum pay is £7

Other than the street cleaning and minimum wage increases, your country sounds well shit. You might as well change the name from "United Kingdom" to "Daily Mail Island".

 

I'm not a big fan of the current Blair admistration, but I think we have a good system - with all the commities and petitions and other systems, there is a way to get heard one way or the other. The good press in this country helps too. I do think we need to stop being so calous with evryone else in the international community. I think it was right to depose Saddamn (our past dealing with him irregardless), but the post invasion period was just very badly planned.

 

If I were PM, I would give much more solid support to the UN. It's a great idea, but I think it hasn't been given the chance it deserves yet.

 

I would also -

-Sell off all of Britains nuclear weapons and use the billions we would save to improve schools, hospitals and the pensions crisis.

-Scrap council tax - replace with local income tax

-Scrap various stealth taxes - replace with higher income tax

-Nationalise the railways

-Give more power back to the unions

-Make better mates with our European neighbours

-More rehabilitation facilities for drug users/criminals/ect.

-Mental health treatment on the NHS

-More public facilities in urban areas eg. swimming pools/football pitches/leisure centres ect.

-Miltary action against the Sudanese government for crimes against hummanity, then Zimbabwe. With permision from the UN obviously.

-Develop renewable alternative energy sources - yes, that means windfarms. Get used to it.

Yours sounds a lot better.

[AshMat]

I like dabookermans england, except for the under achieving schools part...

[Hem]

- Alter the grand perception of vocational skills.

- Keep the minimum wage the same.

- Reduce the amount of time you can be claiming work benefits for.

- Increase the prison sentence for rape, arson and robbery.

- Decrease the prison sentence for Class B/A drugs possession.

- I'd also toy with the idea of bringing back capital punishment.

[Domo Kun]

Gross National Happiness (GNH)

'The kingdom of Bhutan is choosing to travel on a path not based on economics. 'We are not interested in gross national product, but in gross national happiness,' is the doctrine of the young king. His unorthodox approach is a serious attempt to question the values of unbridled economic progress.'

 

 

I'd do that, but without establishing a monarchy.

 

 

Oh and I'd make it illegal to sell something (e.g. sweat shop clothes) that're made in conditions that wouldn't be legal here. I think it's terribly hipocritical. I'd also make sure all products sold in the UK were fair trade.

 

Oh and nationalise EVERYTHING.

[Monopolyman]

well...

 

- Better organisation of the police force, ie. more police on the street.

- A 'life means life' policy, amongst other stricter prison sentence.

- Block tuition fees (and possibly scrap Uni fees all together if the country can afford it).

- Block this 'no smoking in bars' thing.

- More money into an alt. resources program.

- Possibly arm police officers.

- If it is at all possible in this country, make democracy more direct in the UK by encouraging more referendums and initives.

 

A couple of contreversial ones now...

 

- Try to legalise cannabis in the UK (with limits, of course).

- Make the UK constitution codified, ie. to be set in stone, and to be a bitch to add or alter.

 

and also, to initiate the re-rise of the British Empire.

 

Just Kidding

 

Not really

 

 

[Domo Kun]

Scricter boarder controls. Only immigrants with a skill or of benefit to the economy will be let in.

 

I have no personal opinion on this issue, but I've heard a lot of arguements that say that unskilled immigrants are the ones who most benifit our economy.

[Jack]

I have no personal opinion on this issue, but I've heard a lot of arguements that say that unskilled immigrants are the ones who most benifit our economy.

I agree with this. I worked in a factory as a summer job last year, and there were quite a few Eastern European immigrants working there. This country owes a great debt to immigration. There was a great deficit of workers in the 1960s, and most of the shortfall was made up by immigrant workers. Most of the jobs taken by immigrants are low paid, unskilled work. Street cleaners, factory work, hospital workers, etc. Basically all the jobs that most people think they're too good for. Get rid of immigrants working in those fields, and I guarantee you'd notice the difference immediately.

[dabookerman]

except for the under achieving schools part...

 

hehe, that was more on a personal note, my school was well shit. hope it burns, catholic my ass.

 

Oh i would get rid of the queen, and make kings happen the way they used to lol

[Jamba]

I'm not a big fan of the current Blair admistration, but I think we have a good system - with all the commities and petitions and other systems, there is a way to get heard one way or the other. The good press in this country helps too. I do think we need to stop being so calous with evryone else in the international community. I think it was right to depose Saddamn (our past dealing with him irregardless), but the post invasion period was just very badly planned.

 

If I were PM, I would give much more solid support to the UN. It's a great idea, but I think it hasn't been given the chance it deserves yet.

 

I would also -

-Sell off all of Britains nuclear weapons and use the billions we would save to improve schools, hospitals and the pensions crisis.

-Scrap council tax - replace with local income tax

-Scrap various stealth taxes - replace with higher income tax

-Nationalise the railways

-Give more power back to the unions

-Make better mates with our European neighbours

-More rehabilitation facilities for drug users/criminals/ect.

-Mental health treatment on the NHS

-More public facilities in urban areas eg. swimming pools/football pitches/leisure centres ect.

-Miltary action against the Sudanese government for crimes against hummanity, then Zimbabwe. With permision from the UN obviously.

-Develop renewable alternative energy sources - yes, that means windfarms. Get used to it.

 

Liking most of your points here (as they are realistic!) But I'm going to disagree with you on Iraq. I just think the way it was rushed into, without approval by the international community. It's one thing going after Saddam but completely destabilising a country in every sense (so that you can't leave straight away?) is totally wrong. I know they are linked but the consequences of doing so weren't properly considered not to mention it was backed up by questionable intelligence.

 

On another note, properly renewable forms or recycling should be instituted. In many European countries there is a system where all beers have a standardised bottle shape, and I think fizzy drinks too. If you buy a crate of these, then take the empties back to the supermarket, they give you money! These get washed and reused without needing to be reformed. Reforming glass and plastic take almost as much energy, if not more, than vreating the product anew. It's just a strategy to stop landfills.

[The Bard]

I think this system works ok in the short term, and I say ok, becuase it's all well and good for people who live in the UK, but the people who are really suffering don't even live in this country, they are suffering because of the governments incredibly hostile foreign policy. And nobody seems to be addressing long term issues, such as the by now cliched topic of global warming, which nobody seems to be paying any close attention to. What should be going on at the moment is the rigorous taxing of Aviation fuel, so that people don't go on unnecessary flights, especially within the same country and have Carbon and sulphur oxides being released in the place where they're going to cause most damage. When that spineless little shit, Blair was asked in parliament what he thought about rigorously taxing aviation fuel, he said, laughing "I think we'll leave it to another country to suggest that one." No heed paid...no nothing...I also think that it should be made illegal for less than three people to be transported in a car. If you have less then three people in your car while it's moving, you should be fined, and be forced to have your vehicle towed while you are made to use the public transport.

 

Also, I think they should abolish the monarchy. She's (the queen) taking all our money in the form of taxes, and the only thing she's good for is tourism, which in fact is a negative factor, because of the traffic delays it causes and the innumerable japanese people around hyde park that feel the need to pronounce everything phonetically and point out the fact that you're asian before taking several pictures of various things, ranging from your crotch to Aeroplane exhaust trails...which leads me back to global warming...

 

So in short, Blair needs to go.

[Bren]

Labour is wank, you can get 14 years for having an OZ of weed (about 120 quids worth), but 6 years for raping a 12 week year old baby.

 

Fuckin dickheads.

 

Make weed legal, Alchohol damages a hell of a lot more people. Loosely related to mental health yes, but still not been proven. But it has been proven that alchohol fucks you up.

[The Bard]

-alcohol will be made more expensive.

 

Ok...I have troubly understanding this...why? Alcohol is far too expensive in city pubs as it is, (£3 for a pint! blimey) It makes no sense unless you're a Muslim. It may or may not reduce alcoholism, but it really doesn't matter because as a wise man once said "Work is the curse of the drinking classes" People will get booze one way or another.

[dabookerman]

 

Ok...I have troubly understanding this...why? Alcohol is far too expensive in city pubs as it is, (£3 for a pint! blimey) It makes no sense unless you're a Muslim. It may or may not reduce alcoholism, but it really doesn't matter because as a wise man once said "Work is the curse of the drinking classes" People will get booze one way or another.

 

Oh its simple, what i demand may require a bit more money, like police, now i wont be one to raise taxes on things that are needed, just raise taxes on things that cause a problem for some people in certain cases. Its either gonna reduce drinkers, or its gonna make me more money through taxes.

[somme]

Why should I have to pay more for alcohol because some people can't handle it?

 

Alcohol is already extortionate in places like London.

[dabookerman]

Why should I have to pay more for alcohol because some people can't handle it?

 

Alcohol is already extortionate in places like London.

 

Dont u live in australia tho :S