dwarf Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 Everything he complains about is worth taking the piss out of Not the case in my view. Many things he has said were just not an issue or worth commenting about. And it is true that most of his reviews are pre-determined in his perception of a game. It's unlikely his mind will change during the playing process and will impact on his review.
Mundi Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 Dan, what you're doing is pretty much pigeonholing the game without having ever played it. I don't know how you can claim to agree with his review despite not owning nor having played the game. Which is pretty much making you come across as somewhat of a moron. It is pretty hard to pick up up a game knowing that you have to play it for 20-25 hours before it gets good, which is the general consensus of when things start to pick up. Fuck that shit. In that time I could play and finish games that are consistently good throughout. I want to play this, but that starting curve is outright retarded.
Sheikah Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 It is pretty hard to pick up up a game knowing that you have to play it for 20-25 hours before it gets good, which is the general consensus of when things start to pick up.Fuck that shit. Again, the 'you haven't played this game so how would you know that' comes to mind. Don't be a mindless sheep, reiterating what you have heard from a few places. That's bollocks anyway, since I was thoroughly enjoying myself before reaching 10 hours.
Nolan Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 10 hours is still quite an investment to begin enjoying oneself.
Mundi Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 Wouldn´t I be a mindless sheep if I bought it solely because of its popularity as a franchise and because everyone else its getting it, while ignoring the reviewers and people that I generally agree with on videogames have criticized it.
Tales Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) I can only speak for myself but I enjoyed myself from the very beginning. No 10-hour or 25-hour mark for me. Wouldn´t I be a mindless sheep if I bought it solely because of its popularity as a franchise and because everyone else its getting it, while ignoring the reviewers and people that I generally agree with on videogames have criticized it. I would imagine you would buy a game because you liked the previous installments in the series, and gave a frak in the reviewers and your friends. Edited April 5, 2010 by Tales Automerged Doublepost
Mundi Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 Well that is one thing, not been a fan of FF the past few instalments.
drahkon Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 I can only speak for myself but I enjoyed myself from the very beginning. No 10-hour or 25-hour mark for me. Same here. The game might have the longest tutorial in gaming history but it was fun nonetheless. If the individual linear areas of the first 25 hours hadn't been so long, then the game would have been a bit better. Finished it some time ago. Took me 40 hours (I completed about 18 missions) to reach the end. Fighting was awesome and I will definitely try to get the Platinum trophy (especially since I'm a sucker for grinding). The story telling probably was the biggest flaw. I have to agree with the Zero Punctuation review. Reading about the story in the Datalog is not a good way to bring the action to the gamer. The story itself was good, though.
Sheikah Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 10 hours is still quite an investment to begin enjoying oneself. Except I didn't say that. I said by 10 hours I was thoroughly enjoying myself; my enjoyment of the game had been building up throughout. But it definitely didn't take 20 hours for me to think it was amazing. Wouldn´t I be a mindless sheep if I bought it solely because of its popularity as a franchise and because everyone else its getting it, while ignoring the reviewers and people that I generally agree with on videogames have criticized it. Cut the bullshit - what you're saying is that rather than form your opinion on a game you'll take a review opinion at face value and use it to have an argument with me; someone who actually has the game and attempt to argue how bad the game is, which let me remind you again; you haven't played. If you really don't want to pay much, rent the game. Just don't go crying about how bad it is due to an opinion you've unnecessarily regurgitated like a mindless idiot. It's also nice to see killer kirby make a return to the topic to thank that post despite saying he'd never come in here again.
dwarf Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 You always get a stream of comments going against you in 'other consoles' Sheikah, and almost every time I wince when I read them. Mundi, you are massively misinformed and I'm not really sure how you got thanked for that bullshit. You're assuming he bought it because everyone else was buying it? If he's a fan, doesn't he have the right to try it anyway, to see if those opinions were true, and hope there was still an enjoyable experience to be had? Before it was released I expected the game to be slated to be honest. It seemed everyone was against it before much info was revealed. Once one bad review came in, everyone thought they'd jump on the ol' wagon just to prove the point that it wasn't as great a game as it could've been. I haven't tried it, really don't look like the look of it, but then again it isn't the sort of game I enjoy so I don't feel the need to talk about its flaws, especially if I haven't played the thing.
Sheikah Posted April 5, 2010 Posted April 5, 2010 His whole post reeked of nonsense anyway. If I bought it due to mass critic opinion rather than fan loyalty then I'd still have bought it, since it overall has done very well. In actuality, I purchased it because every main title Final Fantasy title thus far has been of a consistently high quality that I have thoroughly enjoyed; FFXII has been my only gripe (rather personal dislike of its direction), yet I still recognise the quality and polish of the title. And if that isn't reason to purchase a sequel, I don't know what is.
Mundi Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 Cut the bullshit - what you're saying is that rather than form your opinion on a game you'll take a review opinion at face value and use it to have an argument with me; someone who actually has the game and attempt to argue how bad the game is, which let me remind you again; you haven't played. I am just going by the opinions of those I generally listen to, I am not arguing the quality of the game, just going by what I have heard and what I hear from every one of them is that the game takes too long to get to the good part and it is the usual soap opera FF story. When I am on the fence about a game, generally it helps to find out what people with opinions I listen to have to say about it because likely I will agree with them and might save myself time and money in the long run. Mundi, you are massively misinformed and I'm not really sure how you got thanked for that bullshit. You're assuming he bought it because everyone else was buying it? If he's a fan, doesn't he have the right to try it anyway, to see if those opinions were true, and hope there was still an enjoyable experience to be had? I never assumed he would buy it because of brand loyalty, my post referred more to what he said earlier in the thread about how FF13 would be good because previous ones have sold well and are highly rated. Which is basically saying: "Buy it, because it is a popular and an established franchise"
killer kirby Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 If you really don't want to pay much, rent the game. Just don't go crying about how bad it is due to an opinion you've unnecessarily regurgitated like a mindless idiot. Yeah umm Sheikah has got a point there, as much as I hang crap on a game, I still don't truly do it until I have the game, or at least spent a few hours on it. It's also nice to see killer kirby make a return to the topic to thank that post despite saying he'd never come in here again. (Yeesh just relax why don't ya :p ) I was bored, waiting for a train, plus Yahtzee made me come back onto this forum after I watched his opinion on the game plus I played a bit more of it...pulse is where the freedom is right? Because I think I am up to that, but...for some reason it's still linear, something about Hope being hurt or something, I forgot. EDIT: Mundi, just rent it so then you won't be hounded like you are now
dwarf Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 But if you like the formula, and the footage you've seen, you'll probably buy it. He bought it in spite of the reviews and it ended up being a good decision because to him it is a great game. I rarely buy games that review averagely, but sometimes I wish I did (or could afford to) because sometimes the bad can actually just click with you.
Sheikah Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 plus I played a bit more of it...pulse is where the freedom is right? Because I think I am up to that, but...for some reason it's still linear, something about Hope being hurt or something, I forgot. That's weird, I'm up to there and it seems to be pretty great. The boss: Primarch Barthandelus was pretty damn awesome. It was perfectly paced and put quite a lot of pressure on you, providing you weren't massively over-levelled. It's about now that I've truly gotten to grips with swiftly cycling through paradigms and I'm loving the battle system. Very fluid and intuitive.
Mundi Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 EDIT: Mundi, just rent it so then you won't be hounded like you are now Wish I could, there are no real rental services on this backwater island
Solo Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 30hrs in and it's starting to drag a bit, I feel like it's outstaying its welcome. I'm sure it'll pick up again soon but I've started playing Revenant Wings on the DS and that's actually more fun!
killer kirby Posted April 6, 2010 Posted April 6, 2010 30hrs in and it's starting to drag a bit, I feel like it's outstaying its welcome. I'm sure it'll pick up again soon but I've started playing Revenant Wings on the DS and that's actually more fun! I swear chapter 10 made me almost want to smash my controller, it was so painful, to know that through 10 chapters I had to go through one straight line after another. and 10 was incredibly the worst chapter, just to go through the same area, everything looked the same. And Revenant Wings is a fun game, but haven't you heard? people prefer animu storyline over fun gameplay nowadays Yahtzee favorite JRPG games Yahtzee vs. the JRPG
dwarf Posted April 18, 2010 Posted April 18, 2010 Any tips on improving the enjoyment of this game? Imagine it's a PS3 exclusive.
Tales Posted April 18, 2010 Posted April 18, 2010 This is just stupid. Inventing poor excuses why people like a game you don't. Maybe people just like it okay? I have played western rpgs and I can't say many positive words about them, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with either the games or people playing them. Anyway, I'm almost got Platinum trophy. I spent considerably more time than H-O-T, I'm at 99 hours with the accessory/weapon trophy left. Think I need about 10 hours more to get it.
nightwolf Posted April 18, 2010 Posted April 18, 2010 Alot of the people who like this game probably have never played Western RPG's and their infinitely better game systems and especially combat. The past years have not been so kind to FF which has not moved forward at all. Infact this seems like step backwards. I really should give this more of a go but right now i am tempted to play a real RPG. edit: speaking to someone i'll keep at it. But i have to say this is probably the worst start of a RPG I have ever played. Paper Mario is the best JRPG of the last couple years :p I believe you already get 'put down' enough on this forum when you comment, flaming others for liking final fantasy 13 will do you no favours. Just because you state something doesn't make it fact, let otherwise have an opinion on a game they enjoy and go back to WoW.
Sheikah Posted April 18, 2010 Posted April 18, 2010 Well a shit game is shit. I am just wondering if thats the case. Since you mention PS3 exclusive, I think Versus will be the same, worse as its a side game like X-2. Looking at other comments here. I guess I should sell this and use that cash to resub and continue Warcraft. I might push on but its not grabbing me at all. The battle system seems rather dull. You dont do much in battles. There are also alot of pointless cutscenes that were not needed and just take you out of the flow of the game. The last thing I want is spend/waste 10 hours and then give up anyway. Alot of the people who like this game probably have never played Western RPG's and their infinitely better game systems and especially combat. The past years have not been so kind to FF which has not moved forward at all. Infact this seems like step backwards. I really should give this more of a go but right now i am tempted to play a real RPG. edit: speaking to someone i'll keep at it. But i have to say this is probably the worst start of a RPG I have ever played. Paper Mario is the best JRPG of the last couple years :p What the fuck are you on. It's got your high-end graphics; you should be 100% satisfied.
Nolan Posted April 18, 2010 Posted April 18, 2010 What the fuck are you on. It's got your high-end graphics; you should be 100% satisfied. I was gonna complain about the open world textures, but then I remembered Killzone 2 doesn't have better textures.
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