Haver Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Sure, the hype is a little hard to stomach, but it's not hard to see why third parties are reluctant to develop for Nintendo consoles when the reaction from a sizeable portion of the fanbase is 'just another boring FPS'. We know effectively nilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendork Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Pfft, this thread has had 800 replies in 12 hours. I think this game is solid.. I was a little worried the Revolution would be saturated with too many FPS titles, I'd be happy with 3 of them in the first year of the console (excluding war games) As long as the general style and story of the titles didn't overlap- I know the Grasshopper/Killer 7 title is going to rock. I think some people might feel provoked that their beloved Metroid is at threat for the exclusive Nintendo FPS crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrocasilva Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Sure, the hype is a little hard to stomach, but it's not hard to see why third parties are reluctant to develop for Nintendo consoles when the reaction from a sizeable portion of the fanbase is 'just another boring FPS'. We know effectively nilch.That's the point... in Nintendo consoles you sell... nintendo games, the third aprties ussually have a hard time... but it seems like nintendo has a good strategy to counter that now... first... nintendo doesn't do that much FPS, a clear advantage of the Rev.... they'll just do Metroid and maybe other one... then, they let a third party unviel it's game first they are getting hype ahead of Nintendo, to assure good sales for this one... I believe nintendo is creating a "market" here, taking the backseat and all... (although they are still a software house).Pfft, this thread has had 800 replies in 12 hours.I think this game is solid.. I was a little worried the Revolution would be saturated with too many FPS titles, I'd be happy with 3 of them in the first year of the console (excluding war games) I think I'm going to buy this one though, but... let the others come... if they do so it must be because there's a market for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendork Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Yeah.. but I don't want it to become saturated when a developper could be spending time on a different genre. Knowing that it can take a team a year or several for next gen systems, it's quite a lot. PSP has enough sports and racing games, so much so that it has saturated the system and it has nothing original. Something many critics hang on. I wouldn't want Revolution to fall under the same fate, there just isn't a market for all the racing and sports games on PSP many of which are ports and rehashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrocasilva Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Yeah.. but I don't want it to become saturated when a developper could be spending time on a different genre.Knowing that it can take a team a year or several for next gen systems, it's quite a lot. PSP has enough sports and racing games, so much so that it has saturated the system and it has nothing original. Something many critics hang on. I wouldn't want Revolution to fall under the same fate, there just isn't a market for all the racing and sports games on PSP many of which are ports and rehashes. I see... you've got a point there... I think Revolution will have lots of FPS... but only some of them will really stand out, so don't worry, it's not like they are all going for the same spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 FPS's are, in my opinion, great games so the rev is deffinetly the console for me. If you hate fps's, I suggest you steer clear of the rev until something like a new zelda comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konfucius Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 33 pages in about 24 hours - that must be a new record on RE. Anyways I'll just add my very humble opinion for the sake of it. When I saw the screens I was almost going up the walls. Sword and gun, really cool combination but I think Nintendo is right, showing it with the controller because the screens didn't keep me excited for too long. Still the hype was back - finally. Unfortunately I don't have time to read most of the thread because the last few days and the coming day I have to work at a trade show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendork Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Yeah- at least it's not a one horse pony like the 360 was with Perfect Dark. They'll have Halo 3 and a few war games but not much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Nintendork, you seem to be forgetting Call of Duty 2-it is massivly superior to PDZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century cowboy Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 sorry posted in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flalex05 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 the screens look so good! i cant find the magazine anywhere though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrocasilva Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 the screens look so good! i cant find the magazine anywhere though!it's only available to subscribers as of now... wait a few days, and it'll come into stores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowV7 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I really want some screens of a different game now (sword one ) im getting greedy like others now :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Nintendork, you seem to be forgetting Call of Duty 2-it is massivly superior to PDZ. Also massivly superior on the PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowser57 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 They'll have Halo 3 and a few war games but not much more. But Halo 3 is all I need baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The3rdChildren Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Like Bowser said. Halo 3 would be plenty enough for me too, but it just so happens the Xbox 360 already has a number of highly enjoyable games and Halo 3 is only going to fortify an already sturdy fortress of titles. A fortress which is rapidly growing. I could name them all, but I think we all secretly know which good games are available on the Xbox 360. If Nintendo can provide a game almost half as fun as Halo 2 has been for me, I'll be surprised. Not to say Nintendo isn't capable of making fun games, it's just that Halo 2 is an immense online experience that defined the past generation for me the same way Goldeneye defined the one before that. Goldeneye and Halo 2 have been the most fun I've had with games in their respective generations. They will be fondly remembered as key stages in my life where I stopped masturbating for a brief moment to handle a different kind of weapon and spray my bullets into the bodies of other men. Halo 2 online is so fun I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pat Sharpe hosted a house-based gameshow about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocka Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I really want some screens of a different game now (sword one ) im getting greedy like others now :P Yes me too. Now i've had a taste I'm desperate for more. Time till E3 was going fast but now it is slowing down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku21 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Quote: I just got done reading the article. First off: if anyone seriously thinks that the graphics of Red Steel look PSP level, they are crazy. The trolling and BS about the graphics is irrelevent now, and it's clear that your argument gets stupider and stupider as Revolution news comes out. Are the graphics mindblowing? No. But they are certainly good, and on par with much of the stuff we're seeing on the Xbox 360. So please, go somewhere else and act childish. Details: -Game development started shortly after E3 2005. Ubisoft saw and demoed the controller before E3 2005. -Ubisoft Paris took their idea directly to Iwata and Miyamoto, and were given the go ahead. After that meeting they were given prototype controllers. The article states that Ubisoft worked "closely" with Nintendo's engineers in Japan on the title -Game Informer mentions that while conducting the interviews with Ubisoft, they were handed the "latest version" of the controller -During the beginning of the game, you are encouraged to use your weapons ruthlessly, but as the game progresses you become more proficient and strategic. This gameplay idea led Ubisoft to decide to give the game a martial arts setting. "Enter the Yakuza" -The first third of the game will be all about being "brutal by necessity" -You will be less precise and favor more devastating weapons (machine guns) -As you progress and become more precise, smaller guns will be used -"The goal...is to use five bullets to kill five enemies" -"When fighting with this level of skill, the music and sound effects will reflect it, remaining calm and peaceful" -"When you fight brutally, the sounds around you grow increasingly more intense" -"Audio feedback" -Freeze shot: by fighting effciently you fill the Freeze Shot gauge...fighting chaotically causes to decreases -When the gauge is filled you can hit a button to momentarily stop time, and then target specific locations on enemy bodies -Headshots thus are tempting, but non lethal shots, such as shooting guns out of enemy hand, can be more beneficial -By defeating high ranking leaders who command others and sparing their lives, you will be rewarded. He will offer you respect and help (guns, help, new weapons, alternate paths, etc) -Respect plays a MAJOR part in the game -Flailing your sword isn't a smart idea -Specific motions with the controller will trigger combos (in the final game) -Tracing an X in the air, for instance, will unleash a devastating attack -You can stop these combos at any time by simply pausing your own movement. So if you do something that leaves you open to attack, you won't be screwed -New moves will be taught to you by two mentors in the game -One will teach you gun tactics, and another will teach sword tactics -If you don't show the proper respect to them, they won't help you -Friendly/respectful interaction is tied to the controller -You signal "yes/no" answers by nodding the controller up or down or shaking it from side to side -You show extra respect by bowing to the masters -Ubisoft is still coming up with other interactions -"You can act disrespectively as well: there are no cut scenes in the game - all conversations take place in game, as in Half Life 2. However unlike that game, characters wont keep prattling on if you walk away from them. They will react angrily to your imputent behavior" -Staying in the master's good graces is key: they give you missions that can be tackled in any order -You track down the gang leaders and try to turn them to your side. If you don't, they will join Tokai's (the main villian) gang -You have to prove you are worthy to them by battling them and sparing their lives. -You will need as many of them with you as possible to face Tokai. Without their help, you'll have a rough time when you finally face him -You turn gang leaders to your side by besting them in battle and stopping a deadly blow miliseconds before it strikes -Training sessions are offered by the two masters so you can hone your skills Multiplayer: -Split screen multiplayer with traditional deathmatches -Totally original multiplayer modes Ubisoft is not revealing yet. Wait until E3 -They didn't talk about Nintendo Wi Fi (NDAs). Full details haven't been revealed yet -Revolution works by placing a small sensor bar either above or below any TV -You can stand at any angle and not lose any accuracy. You can even take your controller to a friend's house and instantly start playing without syncing up the controller -"Perhaps most impressive is the fact that although splitscreen reduces the amount of onscreen space you are playing in, you don't have to make smaller movements - you can gesture as wildly as you want, and it won't interfere with the other player's onscreen quadrants Game Informer's hands on: -The two triggers on the front of the analog unit activate ducking and jumping. The analog stick controls movement, and the revmote controls aiming. No rails. -Level consisted of shooting ranges that popped out from behind cover "Aiming with the controller is as simple as using a laser pointer. You point your hand at a target and hit the trigger on the underside of the controller to fire -"Unlike other FPS games, which tie the camera and aiming together, Red Steel's camera follows your aim with a slight delay. If, for example, you point to the edge of the screen, the camera will turn to re-center on your view after a second. With the sensitivity of the controller, a standard FPS control would move too much, potentially making the player feel ill -"Thanks to the improved reaction that the controller offers, the team can create gunfight scenerios that would be extraordinarily diffilcult with a standard controller" -Most console FPS games limit their enemies to horizontal planes to prevent player frustration, but targets on a verticle plane are just as easy to hit with the Revolution controller -You can aim at a target as quickly as you can move your hand -In the demo targets popped up on rooftops and in second story windows, as well as behind cover points on the ground, and all were equally easy to hit -While you can quickly shoot enemies anywhere on screen, Red Steel never feels in a light-gun game - this is a true FPS, one that feels like it has drawn from the best of both the PC and console shooter worlds -According to lead game designer Oriola, it takes roughly three seconds to turn completely around around in most console shooters, while it takes about one-quarter second in a PC game. In Red Stel, it takes one second -AI characters will care for themselves. They will go for cover, attack you while you're reloading. They focus on risk management -"They won't walk around a table to get to you. They will simply jump over the table" -"The benchmark for their intelligence and aggressiveness, says Oriola, is the PC title F.E.A.R., which has widely been praised for it's AI" -Destructable environments. There's a pic of a giant explosion on a carm with gang members being thrown left and right by the blast. Nice effects. The lighting on the explosion and the store signs is pretty good -GI: we found Red Steel most enjoyable to play while standing up -Straffing is extremely easy and effortless -"Aiming felt similar to using a PC mouse, and it's possible to quickly explore every direction in a three-dimensional space with quick gestures" -"In the finished game, you will be able to push forward with the controller to knock over an object to use for cover, pull it backwards to reload, and twist it to lead behind walls" -Lob grenades with the controller, or roll them on the ground like a bowling ball -"gangsta style" shooting is cool -Total immersion. Feels like you are living the game -GI: the Revolution is real -Andy: It could change the very way all gamers are played now and forever That's all. After reading that, Drinky and his ilk are irrelevent to me. There's no way anyone can simply dismiss this as a gimmick or a joke and be taken seriously. No true game could read that and not be impressed. Even if you don't like the graphics, there is no denying that the controls are simply mindblowing. And a harrison-interview: -Harrison admits that a mere uber powered Gamecube would wind up doing just as bad as the GC. Because of this, Nintendo decided to do something totally different -Their main goal was to revive the Japanese market. The DS was to be the first shot at this (and it has clearly succeeded). -Art direction can be just as expressive as photo-realistic graphics. He mentions that the Simpsons wouldn't be nearly as funny if it was live action -Revolution will be a multiple of the GC in terms of capibilities -Nintendo is still deciding what will be packed in the Revolution. Right now a controller and a nunchuk add on will be, but Nintendo is thinking about adding another controller as well. No mention of the shell -Nintendo is shooting for a worldwide Revolution launch this year -"Clearly, for us, the Japanese market might be the most important - it's the home market, it's the chance to reset the clock to the main competition, which is Sony" -On price, as compared to the 360: "Yes, our goal is to come in at a slightly more mass market price" -Nintendo is considering some like XBL Marketplace -Harrison mentions that they learned a lot of lessons from the PS2. In terms of having a wide variety of software and the fact that the strongest tech doesn't always win -"The other thing we recognized is that you really make your reputation in the first year. You've got to deliver software, not just at launch, but you've got to deliver software in the first six to nine months after launch. It has to be solid software. In GC, we didn't have that, we had kind of a drought for six months after it launched. By that time your reputation starts to solidify and it's hard to reverse that after awhile." -$50 games will not be the standard on the Revolution, although he does say that there could be some games that cost $60 -Compares the challenges Nintendo has in terms of marketing the Revolution to those it had marketing the...Virtual Boy -You can't simply show gameplay or people won't see the difference. He mentions that game commercials used to show people on their couch playing the game, and that the industry moved away from that. He says Nintendo might get more into that with Revolution marketing -Nintendo still hasn't chosen a cost barrier for the Revolution's Virtual Console -Possibly 20 games at launch. He says they haven't seen many of the games licensees have -"Maybe a third will be Nintendo games" -Red Steel is a Revolution launch title, and will broaden appeal like GoldenEye 64 did -"We had no choice but to be succesful with the DS." 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Razz Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 We need a French Person that can speak English >.< Dammit someone ask there french teacher >.< i speak fluent french if its any help. but fill me in on whats happening, i missed alot and theres no way im browsing some 30 what pages ive missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Just wanted to say Great Job to all of you who contributed to this thread, especially guarana. While I missed the main event yesterday, I have been reading through the entire thread and have been grinning to myself nonstop. Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowV7 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Wow that sounds really good and it sounds so life like aswell Woah ,only downfall is this 'bar' thing To leosalvia someone found this but we can't understand what it fully says(ending to be precise - http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=audio&file=Ubisoft.wav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyxis Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Ive sat here and read all 821 messages in one go. Do I get a cookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiemetriX Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Good job goku21. Best Red steel info i have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I still don't get what's people's problem with the bar. This looks hot and Ubisoft+Nintendo makes me a happy man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djamb3 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Thanks goku21. Now I'm really hyped for this game. Its level of interection is amazing, and all that story about respect is so great. Come on nintendo launch that beatiful baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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