Happenstance Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 it was a generalisation, but makes the point. You have focused on the software comment and not the overall post. Sony in particular are very guilty of blatantly copying Nintendo hardware. I can't believe anybody would play bowling, golf or tennis on a controller after using the Wiimote and without Nintendo these new experiences would not exist. My overall point was that we would end up playing the same games, the same way for ever more. Yes I focused on that comment because that is what I wanted to comment on. It is a short sighted comment that gets thrown around too often. Nintendo are very good at certain things sure but they are not the only ones. If they were gone then changes would just come from elsewhere. Just look at the Oculus Rift, amazing VR hardware that has great potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wii Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Definitely. Indies are providing new approaches, challenges and experiences that some of the bigger established studios aren't doing. Oh great. Thanks for confirming "everybodys" opinion. What did you tell Serebii earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 It was a "definitely" to your "maybe" i.e. there's a definite possibility that you might be the only one. I didn't say you are definitely the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wii Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 This is the dumbest thing ever. I can't even begin to... ...I mean, just one example off the top of my head, Daylight is an indie game. And it looks a whole league better than Resident Evil. Nor does it look like a smartphone game. Indie devs? No thanks. Some people might be satisfied with that but I'm not. Did I buy a home console or a smartphone? I want proper games from established major developers like the next Resident Evil, Tiger Woods, Pro Evo, GTA and MGS. I don't want mickey mouse titles from some 2 bit developer scraping together money from Kickstarter projects. That's not to say there aren't some good indie titles. Maybe that's just me. Read what I said it's what I want and I didn't say they were all bad, there are definitely some good indie games. But for every good example like you've given there are bad indie games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 You said you want "proper" games, indicating anything not released by the major studios are somehow fake. You are belittling the hard work that thousands of people put in, simply because they don't work for a studio. Let us not forget, a lot of indie developers used to work for big studios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Read what I said it's what I want and I didn't say they were all bad, there are definitely some good indie games. But for every good example like you've given there are bad indie games. Your need for an 'established' developer is utterly pointless. Who cares if they're established? It's such an arbitrary condition. You've got blinkers on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Actually bringing it back round to topic on that note - do downloadable titles get measured much in terms of sales and charts? I say downloadables because Indies make me think downloadable, but I rarely see any quotes on sales until they're huge like minecraft etc. where it's become so big the small numbers are insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ville Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Nah, I agree with Wii. Indie games are mostly synonymous with little games. I didn't buy any system for those, but the grand games like GTA V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) According to Famitsu, it has been a very Nintendo week in the top 10. 9 3DS titles and 1 Wii U title Pikmin 3 was at #8 with 11.5k NSMBU was at #17 with 6.8k Lego City was at #23 with 5.1k Pikmin 2 was at #25 with 4.6k Wii U did just under 11k 25 of the Top 30 titles, according to Famitsu, in Japan last week were on Nintendo consoles. Puts things into perspective a little... Media Create 3DS LL 47,005 3DS 23,992 Vita 19,363 PS3 14,331 Wii U 12,047 PSP 7,616 Wii 1,772 Xbox 360 322 Pikmin 3 did 10,956 at #9 Pikmin 2 did 6,342 at #19 Edited August 21, 2013 by Serebii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcubed Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Not much of a bump, but still a bump so that's good. Hopefully TW101 will at least keep the console sales stable for a week or so (by which time it'll be only 2 more weeks until Wind Waker HD comes out and boosts the numbers; starting off Nintendo's Xmas lineup). Pretty hilarious to see Pikmin 2 sell almost as much as Pikmin 3 this week though The biggest surprise for me though has to be M&LDT's legs. It has really defied its poor start really well! Disney Magic Castle is also quite the beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) this week http://ukie.info/content/ukie-week-3...o-games-charts 1.SAINTS ROW IV - KOCH MEDIA2.TOM CLANCY'S SPLINTER CELL: BLACKLIST - UBISOFT 3.DISNEY INFINITY - DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 4.MINECRAFT: XBOX 360 EDITION - MICROSOFT 5.CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II - ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 6.FIFA 13 - ELECTRONIC ARTS 7.ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF - NINTENDO 8.LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES - WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 9.THE LAST OF US - SONY COMPUTER ENT. 10.THE BUREAU: XCOM DECLASSIFIED - TAKE 2 11.ASSASSIN'S CREED III - UBISOFT 12.MAX PAYNE 3 - TAKE 2 13.LEGO THE LORD OF THE RINGS - WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 14.FAR CRY 3 - UBISOFT 15.TOMB RAIDER - SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 16.SKYLANDERS GIANTS - ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 17.GRAND THEFT AUTO IV - TAKE 2 18.PAYDAY 2 - 505 GAMES 19.THE SMURFS 2 - UBISOFT 20.THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM - LEGENDARY - BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 21.NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED - ELECTRONIC ARTS 22.THE WONDERFUL 101 - NINTENDO 23.GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY - TAKE 2 24.BATTLEFIELD 3 - ELECTRONIC ARTS 25.HITMAN ABSOLUTION - SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 26.BIOSHOCK INFINITE - TAKE 2 27.RED DEAD REDEMPTION: GOTY - TAKE 2 28.SAINTS ROW: THE THIRD - THE FULL PACKAGE - KOCH MEDIA 29.LUIGI'S MANSION 2 - NINTENDO 30.MARIO KART 7 - NINTENDO 31.THE SIMS 3 - ELECTRONIC ARTS 32.GRID 2 - CODEMASTERS 33.THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM - BETHESDA SOFTWORKS 34.MARIO AND LUIGI: DREAM TEAM BROS. - NINTENDO 35.CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 3 - ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 36.CRYSIS 3 - ELECTRONIC ARTS 37.PLANES - DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 38.THE SIMS 3: ISLAND PARADISE - ELECTRONIC ARTS 39.MEDAL OF HONOR: WARFIGHTER - ELECTRONIC ARTS 40.DEAD ISLAND: RIPTIDE - KOCH MEDIA The top three are all new entries this week with ‘Saints Row IV’ landing at No1, followed by ‘Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell: Blacklist’ at No2 and ‘Disney Infinity’ at No3. ‘Saints Row IV’ is the 4th biggest launch of the year so far (behind Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite and The Last of Us). It fails to outperform the debut of predecessor ‘Saints Row: The Third’, but is still the second best launch for the controversial series. Taken over from THQ by Deep Silver/Koch, it is the ambitious publisher’s third different title to reach No1 in the All Formats chart this year (the others being Dead Island Riptide and Metro Last Light). This is a feat only matched by EA. Sales were split 69% on Xbox 360 and 31% on PS3. The highly anticipated ‘Disney Infinity’ opens strongly, selling 3.6 times more starter pack units at launch than the original Skylanders. It performed best on Xbox 360 with a 43% share, then PS3 at 22%, Wii 21%, Wii U 10% and 3DS 4%. Last week’s No1, ‘Payday 2’ (-76%) tumbles to No18 while the rest of the Top 10 mostly shuffles amongst themselves. ‘Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition’ (+3%), ‘Black Ops II’ (-17%), ‘FIFA 13’ (-14%) and ‘Animal Crossing: New Leaf’ (-9%) all drop two places to No’s 4, 5, 6 and 7 respectively. ‘Lego Batman 2’ (+1%) is a non-mover at No8 ahead of ‘The Last of Us’ (-9%) at No9. 2K Games/Take 2 enter the chart at No10 with ‘The Bureau: Xcom Declassified’ and there is also a new face at No22; the Wii U exclusive ‘The Wonderful 101’. No surprise Wonderful 101 didnt do too good. Individual chart TOP 40 ENTERTAINMENT SOFTWARE - INDIVIDUAL FORMATS (UNITS), WEEK ENDING 24 August 2013 LW TW Title Format Label Publisher - 1 SAINTS ROW IV XB360 DEEP SILVER KOCH MEDIA - 2 SAINTS ROW IV PS3 DEEP SILVER KOCH MEDIA - 3 TOM CLANCY'S SPLINTER CELL: BLACKLIST XB360 UBISOFT UBISOFT - 4 TOM CLANCY'S SPLINTER CELL: BLACKLIST PS3 UBISOFT UBISOFT 1 5 MINECRAFT: XBOX 360 EDITION XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT - 6 DISNEY INFINITY XB360 DISNEY INFINITY DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 3 7 ANIMAL CROSSING: NEW LEAF 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 5 8 THE LAST OF US PS3 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT. - 9 DISNEY INFINITY PS3 DISNEY INFINITY DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 4 10 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II XB360 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD - 11 DISNEY INFINITY WII DISNEY INFINITY DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 7 12 FIFA 13 XB360 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 13 PAYDAY 2 PS3 505 GAMES 505 GAMES - 14 THE WONDERFUL 101 WII U NINTENDO NINTENDO - 15 THE BUREAU: XCOM DECLASSIFIED XB360 2K GAMES TAKE 2 8 16 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II PS3 ACTIVISION ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 9 17 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV XB360 XBOX 360 CLASSICS TAKE 2 - 18 MAX PAYNE 3 PS3 ROCKSTAR TAKE 2 15 19 TOMB RAIDER XB360 SQUARE ENIX SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 38 20 FAR CRY 3 PS3 UBISOFT UBISOFT 12 21 GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY XB360 ROCKSTAR TAKE 2 16 22 ASSASSIN'S CREED III XB360 XBOX 360 CLASSICS UBISOFT 14 23 MAX PAYNE 3 XB360 ROCKSTAR TAKE 2 - 24 DISNEY INFINITY WII U DISNEY INFINITY DISNEY INTERACTIVE STUDIOS 10 25 LUIGI'S MANSION 2 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 34 26 MARIO KART 7 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 32 27 ASSASSIN'S CREED III PS3 UBISOFT UBISOFT 13 28 FIFA 13 PS3 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS 21 29 FAR CRY 3 XB360 XBOX 360 CLASSICS UBISOFT 11 30 MARIO AND LUIGI: DREAM TEAM BROS. 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO 29 31 HITMAN ABSOLUTION XB360 SQUARE ENIX SQUARE ENIX EUROPE 23 32 LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES XB360 WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 20 33 BATTLEFIELD 3 XB360 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 19 34 TOMB RAIDER PS3 SQUARE ENIX SQUARE ENIX EUROPE - 35 SKYLANDERS GIANTS WII SKYLANDERS ACTIVISION BLIZZARD 36 36 LEGO THE LORD OF THE RINGS XB360 WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE 17 37 THE SIMS 3: ISLAND PARADISE PC EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS 31 38 NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED XB360 EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS - 39 TOM CLANCY'S SPLINTER CELL: BLACKLIST PC UBISOFT UBISOFT - 40 THE SIMS 3 PC EA GAMES ELECTRONIC ARTS Unless I'm missing something I dont see Splinter Cell Wii U in the individual chart. Huge bomba! Edited August 27, 2013 by liger05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcubed Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 TW101 got to 14th on the Individual format charts... http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032 Not a great showing, but better than I expected at least (makes sense, considering that it has seemingly done worse in Japan than I was expecting, so go figure ) Goodbye Pikmin 3. You had a good run, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Can see Disney Infinity remaining in the charts - back to school soon so children will talk about it with their friends potentially. W101 did fine given the usual WiiU troubles but the true bomb is The Bureau: XCOM Declassified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Can see Disney Infinity remaining in the charts - back to school soon so children will talk about it with their friends potentially. W101 did fine given the usual WiiU troubles but the true bomb is The Bureau: XCOM Declassified. The Bureau was never going to do well. It had the backlash when first announced because people wanted traditional XCOM, then it disappeared for ages only to come back with a name change. I'll be getting it eventually as I think it looks interesting but not until its cheap in a Steam sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Splinter Cell absolutely bombed on the Wii U. Disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcubed Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Splinter Cell absolutely bombed on the Wii U. Disappointing. Come to think of it, it hasn't done great on any platform really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Splinter Cell absolutely bombed on the Wii U. Disappointing. Rayman should do better for Ubisoft on Wii U but I think Watchdogs is going to bomb hard. More disappointing is with Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 there still hasnt been much movement in Wii U HW sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero-of-Time Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yeah, the comeback just isn't happening at all. What's next on the list? Zelda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Perhaps a price cut is the only real hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I wonder if the Vita is going to see any uptick in sales with the price drop of both the console and the memory cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I wonder if the Vita is going to see any uptick in sales with the price drop of both the console and the memory cards. Should see a rise in sales but I'm not expecting a major uptake. It just doesnt have those major titles which people flock too. If you look at the US sales which are awful even if they were to double on last months sales that would still only take it to 30k for the month which would still be an awful number. Yeah, the comeback just isn't happening at all. What's next on the list? Zelda? Looks like it but can a HD remake really do that much. Perhaps a price cut is the only real hope. It will need a price cut but I'm not sure it will get one. Iwata said this in a recent interview with CVG: "If the price is actually an issue [with Wii U], then there is some contradiction between the current sales balance between the Basic and Premium versions of the Wii U," Iwata said. "The basic version should have sold a lot, but the fact of the matter is that people are buying more of the premium version. So the issue is not there." That to me is crazy talk. The basic isnt selling simply cos it offers no value at all. If they think the basic not selling means price isnt an issue then looks like a price drop isnt on the agenda. Edited August 28, 2013 by liger05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero-of-Time Posted August 28, 2013 Author Share Posted August 28, 2013 I still think a price cut will happen or a decent bundle released to try and counter the XBone and PS4. Whether this has any impact is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 It will need a price cut but I'm not sure it will get one. Iwata said this in a recent interview with CVG: That to me is crazy talk. The basic isnt selling simply cos it offers no value at all. If they think the basic not selling means price isnt an issue then looks like a price drop isnt on the agenda. Seems to be getting mixed up between cost and value. Still, companies always deny things up until they release/do them so we can pretty much ignore what Iwata says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I still think a price cut will happen or a decent bundle released to try and counter the XBone and PS4. Whether this has any impact is another matter. I just dont know what they can do with a price cut? Would £199 do much? Some retailers have tried this. Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2013 (Aug 19 - Aug 25) #1 Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2013 (Aug 19 - Aug 25) 01./00. [PS3] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.22} (¥7.480) - 39.255 / NEW 02./01. [3DS] Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life # <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} (¥5.480) - 20.881 / 227.508 (-50%) 03./02. [3DS] Mario & Luigi: Dream Team # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2013.07.18} (¥4.800) - 20.339 / 264.977 (-49%) 04./00. [PSV] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.22} (¥6.480) - 18.929 / NEW 05./00. [PSV] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.08.22} (¥6.279) - 18.878 / NEW 06./03. [3DS] Friend Collection: New Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (¥4.800) - 15.585 / 1.394.763 (-45%) 07./00. [PS3] Dungeons & Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara <RPG> (Capcom) {2013.08.22} (¥3.990) - 14.480 / NEW 08./06. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 8.448 / 3.386.386 (-36%) 09./07. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} (¥4.800) - 7.639 / 878.384 (-39%) 10./08. [3DS] Youkai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} (¥4.800) - 7.084 / 143.796 (-36%) 11./04. [3DS] One Piece: Romance Dawn - Bouken no Yoake <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.08} (¥5.980) - 6.712 / 47.210 (-57%) 12./09. [WIU] Pikmin 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} (¥5.985) - 5.741 / 171.401 (-48%) 13./14. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 5.262 / 2.106.522 (-32%) 14./00. [WIU] The Wonderful 101 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.08.24} (¥6.830) - 5.258 / NEW 15./05. [3DS] Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies <ADV> (Capcom) {2013.07.25} (¥5.990) - 5.232 / 327.996 (-61%) 16./00. [3DS] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.08.22} (¥6.279) - 5.072 / NEW 17./10. [3DS] Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.06.13} (¥4.800) - 5.003 / 258.457 (-52%) 18./13. [3DS] Fantasy Life: Link! <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.25} (¥4.980) - 4.481 / 48.874 (-45%) 19./12. [3DS] Hoppechan: Tsukutte! Asonde! Punipuni Town!! <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2013.07.25} (¥5.040) - 4.280 / 33.857 (-48%) 20./15. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 4.280 / 549.364 (-45%) Top 20 3DS - 13 PS3 - 2 PSV - 2 WIU - 2 WII - 1 HARDWARE Code: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DS # | 51.097 | 70.997 | 71.373 | 2.390.458 | 2.920.654 | 12.170.338 | | PS3 | 12.689 | 14.331 | 11.896 | 571.984 | 753.745 | 9.432.068 | | PSV | 11.507 | 19.363 | 10.880 | 677.173 | 455.378 | 1.807.998 | | WIU | 7.030 | 12.047 | | 428.169 | | 1.055.456 | | PSP # | 5.735 | 7.616 | 9.499 | 346.406 | 538.358 | 19.975.417 | | WII | 1.103 | 1.772 | 8.810 | 55.996 | 369.973 | 12.694.832 | | 360 | 196 | 322 | 863 | 17.803 | 46.822 | 1.631.637 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 89.357 | 126.448 | 116.020 | 4.487.989 | 5.181.386 | 58.767.746 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DSLL | 35.044 | 47.005 | 41.901 | 1.553.496 | 442.699 | 3.643.867 | | 3DS | 16.053 | 23.992 | 29.472 | 836.962 | 2.477.955 | 8.526.471 | | PSP | 5.735 | 7.616 | 9.499 | 346.406 | 538.358 | 19.799.430 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wonderful 101 bombed hard in Japan. I know they only shiped 30k but damn to not even sell 10k. The game bombed and Wii U Hardware sales declined even with a new release. Edited August 28, 2013 by liger05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 In my mind it's already £200 since it has been sold at this a few times now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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