flameboy Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 yeah probably does mean nothing if your on vodafone, people will likely have to take out a seperate data plan for this.
Daft Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 It is pretty disgusting that Sony are FORCING this for games and thus are using their own format. First world problems.
Mokong Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 I thought the Vita games were on flash cards like the 3DS games anyway? Can they not save your game file to the actual game card? I recently bought a 32gig SD card for about half the price, if not a bit less than the 32gig Mem Card up there.
Serebii Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) I thought the Vita games were on flash cards like the 3DS games anyway? Can they not save your game file to the actual game card? I recently bought a 32gig SD card for about half the price, if not a bit less than the 32gig Mem Card up there. Some do, but others require the memory card to be played, they won't even boot up if it isn't there. Here's a list of some of the ones requiring it; Uncharted: Golden Abyss Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention @Field Hot Shots Golf 6 Monster Radar Dream Club Zero Portable Ridge Racer From; http://www.joystiq.com/2011/10/21/report-these-are-the-vita-games-that-require-a-memory-card/ Plus, ALL downloaded games require it. Edited November 27, 2011 by Serebii
dazzybee Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 It's what could stop me buying one, I'd prefer a higher initial outlay then constantly overpriced accessories!
Daft Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Not that I think the whole memory card thing isn't utterly stupid but it is a one off. Personally it's my only letdown with the Vita (that comes to mind) so I'll probably still get one. A 4GB one should do for any of the PSN games. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this lack of onboard memory on the games is short lived. My only surprise is that Uncharted needs one. But yeah, in this day and age memory shouldn't be anywhere near that expensive.
Diageo Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 First world problems. We live in the first world, all our problems are first world problems.
Daft Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 No they aren't. First World Problems: "Problems from living in a wealthy, industrialized nation that third worlders would probably roll their eyes at." (Obviously some of those notions are a bit off; the 'third world' can quite as readily exist, and does, in "First World" cities.) "I might lose my job", is not a FWP. "I don't want to get out of the shower because it's nice and warm", is a FWP. "It is pretty disgusting that Sony are FORCING this for games and thus are using their own format" is a FWP. "I can't afford to pay my heating bill this winter" is not a FWP.
Diageo Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Yes but we are discussing luxury items such as video games, so anything we discuss here, if it is a problem will be a first world problem. Vita has expensive memory cards. 3DS only has one analogue stick. Playing Skyward Sword is making my arms tired. Nearly everything in this forum is a first world problem. Apologies for not setting the parameters to this thread and similar.
heroicjanitor Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 The memory card is probably expensive because of some anti-piracy measures or something... Still it's not like you need a 32GB. 4GB is plenty to hold psn games, and even if you run out of space they have content management software for the pc, so you can just swap stuff on and off the card easily. Unless you want like 50 games on the card at all times. Absolutely minor problem in my eyes, especially if it comes with a memory card. Does it?
Burny Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) Does it? Apparently not. Otherwise I imagine there would hardly be any lamenting. Edited November 27, 2011 by Burny
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 So... wait, the memory cards aren't in an already used format, they're unique and expensive?? Seriously, Sony, fuck you. Fuck you up the fucking ass! For the first time I actually thought you priced a product decently, you had to go and fuck things up, didn't you?? Fuck you!
Burny Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Seriously, Sony, fuck you. Fuck you up the fucking ass! For the first time I actually thought you priced a product decently, you had to go and fuck things up, didn't you?? Fuck you! If by "priced decently" you mean they're not going to earn all too much by selling Vitas, then they seemingly have. Otherwise they wouldn't expect it to take up to three years until the system is profitable. Obviously there is no official information on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if memory was the corner they had to cut in order to achieve that price. The low blow is just that they're making their memory quasi-mandatory which puts the effective minimal price at 280$. Which is still rather cheap for what the Vita offers for a mobile system, if expensive by console standards.
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 If by "priced decently" you mean they're not going to earn all too much by selling Vitas, then they seemingly have. Otherwise they wouldn't expect it to take up to three years until the system is profitable. Obviously there is no official information on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if memory was the corner they had to cut in order to achieve that price. The low blow is just that they're making their memory quasi-mandatory which puts the effective minimal price at 280$. Which is still rather cheap for what the Vita offers for a mobile system, if expensive by console standards. By priced decently I mean actually pricing a console accordingly, for once. Every single playstation line product launch price has been ridiculously high, up till now.
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Yeah, 600€ is a fucking fair price. oO
Burny Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) By priced decently I mean actually pricing a console accordingly, for once. Every single playstation line product launch price has been ridiculously high, up till now. Haven't they been selling practically all their Playstations at a loss when they launched? If so, what are they to do? Just sell at a competitive mass-market price at launch and hope that it will just take a year or two more to be profitable? You can't ask for a high-end gaming machine and expect that you won't have to pay the price. You could ask for more moderately powered or more focused consoles (e.g. just gaming, not trying to win the format war for Blu-Ray while at it) which are priced accordingly. That doesn't seem to be what the Playstation crowd is after though. Yeah, 600€ is a fucking fair price. oO Oh come on. What more can they do than lose money on each console sold? You want a Blu-Ray player/console before they are ready for mass market with all kinds of bells and whistles? You pay the price. Your other option is buying a XBox 360. Edited November 27, 2011 by Burny
heroicjanitor Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 It cost like €900 to make, and a couple of billion in development. No idea who's idea that was, but they could hardly price it lower. Also I think Rez was joking :p
Daft Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 PS3 launch price was fair I think. I might have agreed (No, I lie t'was lol-tastic) had the PAL console not had less functionality than the NTSC version...which was much cheaper. Still, the Vita's launch line up is already better than the first two years of PS3 titles.
ReZourceman Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 I have just been looking at Golden Abyss. Want. So much. God. Vita looks so godly. It is pronounced "Veeta" right and not "Vyta" ?
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Haven't they been selling practically all their Playstations at a loss when they launched? If so, what are they to do? Just sell at a competitive mass-market price at launch and hope that it will just take a year or two more to be profitable? You can't ask for a high-end gaming machine and expect that you won't have to pay the price. You could ask for more moderately powered or more focused consoles (e.g. just gaming, not trying to win the format war for Blu-Ray while at it) which are priced accordingly. That doesn't seem to be what the Playstation crowd is after though. Oh come on. What more can they do than lose money on each console sold? You want a Blu-Ray player/console before they are ready for mass market with all kinds of bells and whistles? You pay the price. Your other option is buying a XBox 360. I did pay the price. I paid 250€ for my 60GB backwards compatible launch PS3. 3 years after it came out. And it still sucked when I bought it. You do realize that what I'm essentially saying is proven... the thing only started selling and becoming something to take seriously after the price drop. The PS3's dawn years were a giant flop. And everyone knew it. I'm a business student, and pretty much the basis for market rules is that what makes the world spin is price... You have to take losses in order to make profit. Sony's PS division took some years to realize this... the Vita is the first PS launch that makes sense... but they were still sneaky enough to corrupt it. Bottom line is, price is justifiable if you're offering a unique product... it's the reason Apple is a success, or Bentleys. The Playstation 3 had no advantage whatsoever over the 360 when it came out, as Blur Ray vs HDDVD war was still going on... and yet it still dared to overprice itself... if you ask me, they deserved all the hate and initial failure they got. It's a matter of knowing how the world works... I have just been looking at Golden Abyss. Want. So much. God. Vita looks so godly. It is pronounced "Veeta" right and not "Vyta" ? Veeta. Isn't it obvious? oO
ReZourceman Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 I thought so, but heard it pronounced "Vyta" is two Youtube videos.
Burny Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 It's a matter of knowing how the world works... Sure. If you limit your view of the world to that of a spoiled, bitching consumer, who stamps his feet and swears a lot. After all, a company being arrogant and doing a bad job of a system's design, therefore having to sell technology at a massive loss that is still extremely expensive to the point, where it completely misses their target audience's comfort zone, isn't part of the world. It's all just a matter of unfair pricing. Just don't go about spouting that a 280$/€ entry price for a mobile gaming platform, that's one or two generations ahead of all competitors in technological terms is not fair.
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Oh, no, nothing of the sort. I think it's a good price... Hell, I've been sayin It's their first launch with a price that makes sense all along, haven't I? I just think the whole memory card shenanigan is a completely unnecessary jerk move. As for the rest, every consumer is a spoiled jerk... But he's the one paying, and he's the one that determines a success. It's not unfair pricing, it's just a bad business plan. Worst launch ever, to be fair....
ipaul Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 The PS3's dawn years were a giant flop. And everyone knew it. Well I didn't....
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