Ellmeister Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 So as everyone in the UK will know, Paul Moat shot his ex-girlfriend, killed her boyfriend (that he believed was a policeman) and shot a police officer just on patrol randomly and who is now blind for life. Having shot himself, many people have laid flowers and left messages where he died. A massive facebook group was also created with many "people" -if you could call them that- actually congratulating him and calling him a "legend". Having heard the debate on the radio, I just wanted to know what N-E thought about anything related to this? Is it an increasing occurrence, too soon after the Cumbria shooting yet recent claims believe crime figures to be the lowest for a long time? Does someone as vulgar as Moat deserve consolidation and to be given heroic status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Absolutely not, its only complete idiots who would ever congratulate him for what he did. Its just disgusting. I can just about understand people leaving flowers etc if they knew him before the incident but i'll never understand complete tossers who agree with what he did in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 The woman who made the facebook page has been made to take it down - she mentions how surprised she is by the reaction of the page and she's entitled to a free opinion. Personally I think its sickening - opinion or not. It to me, is almost like congratulating murder, ok so lets congratulate rapists, paedophiles etc. Where does it stop? A hero? Laughable the man shot two people and then himself because he believed the system wasn't helping him, thousands maybe millions of people feel this way and yet they don't go around shooting their ex-girlfriends or their ex-girlfriends boyfriend. I don't condone it in anyway, disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 So as everyone in the UK will know, Paul Moat shot his ex-girlfriend, killed her boyfriend (that he believed was a policeman) and shot a police officer just on patrol randomly and who is now blind for life. I didn't know about it. I knew about Raoul Moat but never heard of this Paul fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellmeister Posted July 15, 2010 Author Share Posted July 15, 2010 Shit, pedantic police are here, where's that Raoul Moat when you need him to sort you people out... My bad. This morning the page hadn't been taken down as Facebook were saying they were entitled to it as part of free speech but 10 Downing Street said they were going to talk to facebook about it. I guess that worked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 People are entitled to their opinions, of course, but I am intrigued by the reason for his sudden "heroic" status. How come people are calling him a "hero"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 People are entitled to their opinions, of course, but I am intrigued by the reason for his sudden "heroic" status. How come people are calling him a "hero"? Some people are twats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Some people are twats. Even so, surely there must be a reason why they think a murderer is a hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Shit, pedantic police are here, where's that Raoul Moat when you need him to sort you people out... My bad. This morning the page hadn't been taken down as Facebook were saying they were entitled to it as part of free speech but 10 Downing Street said they were going to talk to facebook about it. I guess that worked? Its mentioned on the bbc as I had a quick look, I didn't watch the news today as I was up far too early. I understand free speech, but there's limits, facebook statuses bashing LGBT also get taken down by facebook quite often, it can get incredibly insulting and some have even riled me when I'm straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Believe it or not many people have been at the receiving end of the nastier side of the police, just or unjust, and have gained a less than friendly view of them. I know a few people with attitude akin to Moat's, and they're probably the people heralding him as a martyr. Even so, surely there must be a reason why they think a murderer is a hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Even so, surely there must be a reason why they think a murderer is a hero? I can only assume its these idiots who hate all the police for rediculous reasons, scum who get stopped regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Its mentioned on the bbc as I had a quick look, I didn't watch the news today as I was up far too early. I understand free speech, but there's limits, facebook statuses bashing LGBT also get taken down by facebook quite often, it can get incredibly insulting and some have even riled me when I'm straight! Free speech will always be a controversial topic. And it's one that I personally find it incredibly hard to choose a side in. EDIT: So these people think it's okay to murder policemen? That's moronic enough in itself, but what about the ex-girlfriend? She wasn't a policewoman, was she? +10 Retardedness, methinks. Edited July 15, 2010 by Dannyboy-the-Dane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Paul Moat deserves all the respect he wants, probably because he hasn't done anything spectacular. However, Raoul Moat doesn't. No way can people think that after shooting 3 people, killing 1 and blinding another that he can be classed as a hero. Those people are sick and twisted. What next??. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Free speech will always be a controversial topic. And it's one that I personally find it incredibly hard to choose a side in. Definitely agreed, I reason on a site such as facebook freedom of speech is going to class, but it doesn't mean it such be used as a tool to fuel hate, it's supposed to be a way for people to connect not bash one another. But for the sake of not causing a massive argument, yes agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Definitely agreed, I reason on a site such as facebook freedom of speech is going to class, but it doesn't mean it such be used as a tool to fuel hate, it's supposed to be a way for people to connect not bash one another. But for the sake of not causing a massive argument, yes agree. Heh, by principle I believe in complete freedom of speech. But in cases such as this, it's hard maintaining that standpoint. But yes, let the discussion move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 People who are congratulating him are just morons. Its as simple as that. So many people are so god damn stupid its ridiculous. --------- Also; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Thats one pathetic moat right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Heh, by principle I believe in complete freedom of speech. But in cases such as this, it's hard maintaining that standpoint. But yes, let the discussion move along. Freedom of speech is fine, it's just a good job there's no freedom of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinha Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) I remember following the entire thing unfold as it was happening on the news... and i was particularly shocked by a couple being interviewed that saying that Moat was a victim of the system and, deep down inside, a nice chap. This made me jawdrop to no end and was only aggravated by the reports that some locals had been helping him for the last few days. I only stumbled on this facebook drama recently and, quite frankly, some (a lot?) of the comments posted were revolting. But, at the end of the day... that's facebook for you... (running the risk of sounding a bit controversial, i have to agree with Nightwolf and Dannyboy here. Freedom of speech, all very good, but sometimes it really hits the mark) Edited July 15, 2010 by Rinha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktendo Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 To be fair most of the group on Facebook is filled with trollers and it's one hell of a LOL reading some of the stuff they come out with, I honestly believe it was set up and joined by people taking the piss. I think the ACTUAL number of 'people' that supported him are less than 1% of the number of people in the group, most people probably joined it for a laugh or to take the piss, which is not good, no, but it's certainly not as bad as supporting the deranged so-and-so. Also, ReZ, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 People who are congratulating him are just morons. Its as simple as that. So many people are so god damn stupid its ridiculous. --------- Also; That joke wasn't even raoulmoatly funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Good lord, thats utter genius. FFS. I thought I would have unchallenged post of the day (funny pet thread) Yeah yeah shameless I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Good lord, thats utter genius. FFS. I thought I would have unchallenged post of the day (funny pet thread) Yeah yeah shameless I know. Just think of me as a Raoul model.... ...Too far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayseven Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I don't see why Raoul Moat is thought of as anything but a noob. He didn't even get enough kills for a care package, ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Just think of me as a Raoul model.... ...Too far? Yeah, we are heading that way. I'll let you off the first joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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