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This is new right? Looking really good from that!

@Dante's back! Thanks for those screens! This kind of looks like NMH3 has turned into this, both with the male and female lead being pretty damn similar (but not as cool), the sword, and riding a bike but neither as cool. Would have preferred NMH3, I loved the humour, style, characters and setting. This doesn't really appeal to me.

Sorry about that grammar. No not really, a full on, 40-80hr RPG adventure, with exploration and side quests, like Pokémon photography, trading/finding Pokémon for people, sailing over the sea on the back of your Lapras etc... Boss battles against both Pokémon you're trying to capture and the likes of Team Rocket/Trainers. Colosseum and XD were terrible half assed games, neither one thing or the other. I believe the quest was very short and linear.

I just meant no one complained that we now how both 2D and 3D Mario. Those that love 2D Mario still get that, and those that now love 3D Mario get there's too. Handheld Pokémon's would still get made, but why not Pokémon RPG's on home consoles? These games wouldn't be about trading Pokémon, as that's the handheld games. These would be beautiful story driven RPG adventures like Tales, Skies, Xenoblade Ni No Kuni, where you capture Pokémon and train them along your journey.

Playstation thread says hi! :p

Played through this today, I thought it was amazing! I didn't expect it to be as good as it was, and I did think I was going to enjoy it, but it surpassed that! It's just one of those games that is unlike anything else really, a very unique thoroughly entertaining experience. As much as I thought I would miss the visuals of the opening level I didn't, because the visuals styles that came along and the different gameplay mechanics were all brilliant. The visuals in this game are just stunning! Was a little bit confused by the story in the end, but its lovely! And the way the endings played out was just really special! Perfect length I think on reflection, left me wanting more, but everything there is is done really well so that's good. Highly recommended!!

Not really. I don't think the visuals in Pokémon X and Y are all that good, I prefer the look of Paper Mario for example. And you didn't answer my question, Did you same the same thing about Mario 64 when that was shown?

Exactly, where are people getting the 'one or the other' idea from. Nintendo do handheld and console versions of pretty much everyone of their First Party titles, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart etc... so why not Pokémon? Was that your opinion of Mario 64 as well? I can't see any reason why there can't be both handheld Pokémon games, and story driven Pokémon RPG's on home consoles. Pokémon X and Y aren't what I would be after at all from a 'full 3D adventure', the series has the potential to be a beautiful animated RPG, not an evolution of every handheld Pokémon game before it with N64 visuals.

VGChatrz shows... Pokémon Stadium - 5.45m Pokémon Snap - 3.63m Pokémon Stadium 2 - 2.73 Pokémon Colosseum - 2.54m Hey You Pikachu - 1.83m Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness - 1.25m Pikmin - 1.63m Pikmin 2 - 1.2m So pretty much every Console Pokémon game, despite being a half-game, half-assed game, terrible game, or a spin off no one really wanted, has sold more than the Pikmin games. And yet Nintendo will happily spend time and money developing a Pikmin 3, when the downward trend in sales of the first two games show it might not even make 1million.

I don't agree. Why do you think it would damage the Pokémon name? Mario isn't damaged by the Paper Mario name for example. I think if you asked gamers if they wanted a console Pokémon RPG or a Pokémon Sim City, they'd want the RPG. People have been asking for it for years. A Pokémon Sim City would just be another Spin Off that no one is really asking for and again people would be disappointed that once again the Pokémon console game wasn't what they wanted and Nintendo have wasted time and money making it... and the wait will go on.

Exactly, make it much more story focused, like one of the Pokémon movies (only way better of course), only this time as a game.

Let's hear it for... Happy Birthday (pretty much past it) Flink!!

But we don't have US PS3's!? Haven't seen this film yet, think I'm gonna get it though, Blu-Ray most probably as it seems like it deserves to look shiny.

Yes Grazza do it!!! I got a PS3 last year, and exclusives like the Uncharted and Infamous series are just too good. Heavy Rain too, but I haven't started that yet. Then there's PSN games like Journey, The Unfinished Swan, The Walking Dead, Sound Shapes, Limbo, Pid etc... And yeah all the third party games too!

Played it with the CPP from the start and it was great, but others will tell you they had no trouble with the standard controls. I think as one of the better 3DS games you really want to get a good experience from it and enjoy it, so if you feel you're struggling a bit maybe go with the CPP.

I think Pokémon deserve much more quality than Nintendo are currently giving it on the handhelds though; it's all getting so repetitive. Also I'd take the Pokémon repeating their names over and over clearly in an anime through the TV, than listening to bleeps over and over from a handheld speaker. --- Also the Gamepad could be used for photography side-quests!

Exactly, if it had been Pokémon Wii U getting announced last weeks instead of Pokémon X and Y, even with a Christmas 2014 release date, it would have created a huge story and a real boost for the future of the Wii U! The 3DS doesn't need the help the Wii U does. Personally I'm getting really fed up of Nintendo's rinse and repeat attitude towards it's game development. It would be nice for them to mix things up and create some surprises now and again. OMG yes! So you use the Gamepad to scan your TV screen for wild Pokémon (like the scanner in Lego City Stories), or to find info out about a Pokémon you come across on your journey, and once you've used the screen to scan it, you get this... Brilliant! See it's these fresh ideas/new experiences/ways to play that would keep me far more interested in the franchises than the minimal changes you get to each new edition of the handheld games!

If Nintendo started doing Collectors Editions I think a life size Pokeball, plus a working Pokedex for the Premium Edition are in order!? :p

Smash Bros/Pokémon next!

Did you read my post, it doesn't seem like you did? Nintendo are making Pikmin 3 their First Party game for the first half of 2013... Pikmin... probably one of their lowest selling franchises ever! Yet they'll happily dedicate 5 years worth of studio time to making it! Just like Ni No Kuni, a Pokémon game could have it's cutscenes produced by the Pokémon TV/Movie house; those guys must have it down... the speed at which they are able to rattle out the series and annual movies! Nintendo could easily utilise this! I don't get the sales argument, because the sales of a Mario Galaxy or a Skyward Sword etc... will also pale into insignificance next to a handheld Pokémon. So if that's the case why doesn't Nintendo shut up shop and just produce handheld Pokémon and New Super Mario Bros games? Ni No Kuni is still getting made despite 'the costs of a full console RPG'... and that doesn't have the luxury of the Pokémon name behind it! Nintendo can still make the handheld Pokémons. With Mario they are happy to produce both 3D and NSMB games, so why not do the same with the Pokémon franchise? and like I also said, if they don't want to do it, why not outsource the console game to someone like Level 5?

The ever nearing release of Ni No Kuni for the PS3 has again got me and I'm sure countless other people questioning... Why has there never been a full on Pokémon Console RPG? For those who don't know, this is Ni No Kuni, a game originally for the Nintendo DS in Japan that has now received a full budget worldwide release on the PS3... The game is developed between Level 5 and Studio Ghibli, and basically looks like an Anime in motion, it's beautiful! And the main hook for the battle system is in capturing creatures called Familiars and training/evolving them up to fight alongside you in battle. But all I keep on thinking is how this game isn't Pokémon and how Nintendo are still yet to do this! The series would translate so well it's unreal! Pokémon is an anime franchise! It has it's own TV show, it has a studio that works on yearly movies. So like Studio Ghibli, why not one year produce a video game out of that years movie script instead? I think Nintendo have said in the past that they see Pokémon as a portable game, people playing it on the move, and the way the games started off with you trading Pokémon with friends via link cable and have of course continued to evolve down this route... but is that not because this is what these games have always been? They have never tried a full on console version, all we have ever got has been 3D battle arena's in the form of the Stadium games and spin-off's such as Pokémon Snap and Hey You Pikachu etc... There was Pokémon XD or whatever it was called for the Gamecube, but again it was a terrible half assed attempt. Nintendo have always played it safe when it comes to Pokémon. OK so a console version may not sell anywhere near the same numbers as the handheld versions, but if they are that focused on numbers, why are they making Pikmin 3 their key First Party game for Q1/Q2... a franchise that has only ever sold in relatively small numbers... they don't seem to mind putting money and resources behind that! In fact probably every half-assed Pokémon game to have come out on a home console has probably sold more than the Pikmin games. They could do a handheld version and a console version of Pokémon that link up. Or make the console version that generations equivalent of the third Pokémon title (so the Wii U would get Pokémon 'Z' for example as a full on RPG adventure). And if Nintendo don't want to do it, well Nintendo have a pretty great relationship with Level 5, why not have them do it!

Really want to experience this game (visuals, music, story) but I'm just not a fan of RPG's, and when playing the demo every fight I just wanted to be over. For this reason I don't tend to buy RPG's... I did buy Skies and didn't mind the battles in that, but didn't complete it, and it was the same with Baton Kaitos... RPG battles are so drawn out I just kind of tire of it. Of course I might find I get into the battle system for this game, but I just know in the back of my mind it's unlikely, and it's just whether I want to give it that chance/put the time into it (that I could spend on another game) or not.

Can't decide whether to go or not. Almost just bought one of the remaining tickets at the back for £38 (Row X, don't really want to make the jump to £60+). Do we think anyone from Nintendo will be there like last time?

Winter Break... Time for an Formula1 2013 thread soon... car launches and testing aren't all that far away!!

@Dcubed @Ronnie, where did you choose to sit?