Pestneb Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 And speaking of lies, did you see that crown prosecutors are considering complaints about lies in the leave campaigns. Wouldn't impact the result, but seeing certain people prosecuted would be quite delicious (although I highly doubt anything will come of it). I didn't but excellent. I think there are a few smaller lies from the remain side too tbh, but I do think both campaigns are the most appalling thing from the whole thing. On the smaller groups thing... let's say hard brexit was 32%, soft brexit 20%, remain no change 40%, remain with camerons changes 8%. The brexit side still have 52% vs 48%. Having said that, given the 48% who wanted to stay, I suppose a larger part of that would be pro soft brexit? I think personally I wanted remain but no cameron negotiation changes, with a second choice of a hard brexit. I hated that neither of my choices were available. Basically I felt the negotiated changes were unfair to the other member states while also isolating us in an organisation we were locked into (no way a second referendum would ever have come up). If we kept the status quo I think it would have given us more politically wriggle room to make changes collectively with other member states, rather than asking for special favours. As for hard brexit... any brexit comes with a cost, and I think the greatest "reward" comes from a full brexit. A soft brexit = paying a heavy cost for keeping a pretence of the status quo. But yeah. I think there were two main reasons for brexit (if I understand correctly). Sovereignty without external control (although arguably brexit alone doesn't acheive that... but I understand the EU was most overtly influential) and immigration (although that actually probably comes under sovereignty). I think soft brexit is basically the worst option because the majority of leave would be disappointed, the majority of remain would be disappointed, and the UK would still be economically crippled (leave) and not 100% sovereign (remain). Worst of both worlds. Longer term I can kinda see the UK rejoining the EU and adopting the euro within a decade of article 50.
Jonnas Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 European Parliament considers plan to let individual Brits opt-in to keep their EU citizenship Wait, British citizens would still vote for the European Parliament? How so? Must the "soft" EU-citizenship be associated with another country's? Letting them keep free movement makes more sense (it's the same with Norway and Switzerland), but even that comes with conditions (the first one being that free movement is a two-way street). I know they're just "considering", but if they ever went through with it in a serious manner, I can't see those benefits coming without a cost for the Brits.
Ashley Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 Maybe UK people would get x MEPs based on size and vote... Online? Elements of it may be eradicated and that might be one of them.
Jonnas Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Maybe UK people would get x MEPs based on size and vote... Online? Elements of it may be eradicated and that might be one of them. Honestly, I'm just against the idea on principle. An EU where the UK is not a member should not have British representatives in its Commission. It's like if the Republic of Ireland was able to vote for representatives in the British Parliament. Edited November 9, 2016 by Jonnas
Eenuh Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 Honestly, I'm just against the idea on principle. An EU where the UK is not a member should not have British representatives in its Commission. It's like if the Republic of Ireland was able to vote for representatives in the British Parliament. As much as I want the UK to stay in the EU, I agree with you that it would not be right if people get to keep their EU privileges of free movement and votes, without there being something offered in return by the UK. It just wouldn't be fair, plus I am worried it might lead to other countries trying to get out and get similar deals. :/
Ashley Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 Would financial reimbursement be sufficient? It's all about the banjamin's after all.
Jimbob Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Couldn't see any other thread for it, but it's done. The EU (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill passed the House of Commons and House of Lords with no changes. Now, it's a waiting game to see exactly when Theresa May will invoke Article 50
Agent Gibbs Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Couldn't see any other thread for it, but it's done. The EU (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill passed the House of Commons and House of Lords with no changes. Now, it's a waiting game to see exactly when Theresa May will invoke Article 50 Can she wait say 30 years?
Jimbob Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 Can she wait say 30 years? There were rumors coming from Westminster that Mrs May would invoke Article 50 today, but these were put away when it was mentioned again at the end of March.
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