Will Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Has that ever happened though? Whilst a technical possibility I just can't see the chances of it happening being very high. I know it's not the right way, but a lot of people vote depending on the party's leader, and if that party leader happens to be your MP, aren't you already likely to be in an area heavily in favour of them? The leader of the party (as well as other key figures) generally stands for a very safe seat for their party, which there is not much chance of them losing. If they do lose then someone of lower importance in a safe seat would give up their seat after the election and call a by-election with the leader of their party as the new candidate. I think very technically the Prime Minister doesn't actually have to be elected, so long as they can command the majority of MP's within the house. In general though something is done to make sure they have a seat. Interesting read on Alec Douglas-Home, he was PM in the 60's and technically for a short period of that had not been elected at all to the position.
Will Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Has that ever happened though? Whilst a technical possibility I just can't see the chances of it happening being very high. I know it's not the right way, but a lot of people vote depending on the party's leader, and if that party leader happens to be your MP, aren't you already likely to be in an area heavily in favour of them? The leader of the party (as well as other key figures) generally stands for a very safe seat for their party, which there is not much chance of them losing. If they do lose then someone of lower importance in a safe seat would give up their seat after the election and call a by-election with the leader of their party as the new candidate. I think very technically the Prime Minister doesn't actually have to be elected, so long as they can command the majority of MP's within the house. In general though something is done to make sure they have a seat. Interesting read on Alec Douglas-Home, he was PM in the 60's and technically for a short period of that had not been elected at all to the position.
Ashley Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Kind of like Gordon Brown. Remember when The Sun called him a squatter (and of course provided a crude Photoshop to 'back up')? Wonder if they'll do the same with the next Tory leader...
Ashley Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 Kind of like Gordon Brown. Remember when The Sun called him a squatter (and of course provided a crude Photoshop to 'back up')? Wonder if they'll do the same with the next Tory leader...
Ashley Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now it is clear there was never any plan and all the people responsible have left. In any other circumstances this would be considered null and void and we'd forget it ever happened!
Ashley Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now it is clear there was never any plan and all the people responsible have left. In any other circumstances this would be considered null and void and we'd forget it ever happened!
MoogleViper Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May?
MoogleViper Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May?
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Leadsom withdraws. Saw rumours of this over the weekend, apparently over the 'hate' she's been receiving. Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyn also deals with similar struggles... So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May? With just one candidate left, I imagine she'll take a yes majority if that is the case. I'd like to see Corbyn challenged, end up on the ballot, get resounding support and then I'd like to see another election with him leading the party given what's happened with Cameron etc(don't know the intricacies to know if it's possible, but I'd hope people would call for another election and it might then occur). I'd be very interested to see how much support Labour may have gained following the referendum's general occurrence. Edited July 11, 2016 by Rummy
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Leadsom withdraws. Saw rumours of this over the weekend, apparently over the 'hate' she's been receiving. Meanwhile Jeremy Corbyn also deals with similar struggles... So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May? With just one candidate left, I imagine she'll take a yes majority if that is the case. I'd like to see Corbyn challenged, end up on the ballot, get resounding support and then I'd like to see another election with him leading the party given what's happened with Cameron etc(don't know the intricacies to know if it's possible, but I'd hope people would call for another election and it might then occur). I'd be very interested to see how much support Labour may have gained following the referendum's general occurrence. Edited July 11, 2016 by Rummy
Fierce_LiNk Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May? I'm not even sure it goes that far. I've also seen talk of letting Gove back into the race and having a straight shoot-out between the two of them, but I can't see that happening. The Leadsom backers will/have begun to shift their support to May and that's it. She'll be the next leader of the Conservatives. This is all a right fucking mess, tbh. Made even worse with Eagle vying to usurp Corbyn for Labour's leadership.
Fierce_LiNk Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now Tory MPs just have a yes/no vote on May? I'm not even sure it goes that far. I've also seen talk of letting Gove back into the race and having a straight shoot-out between the two of them, but I can't see that happening. The Leadsom backers will/have begun to shift their support to May and that's it. She'll be the next leader of the Conservatives. This is all a right fucking mess, tbh. Made even worse with Eagle vying to usurp Corbyn for Labour's leadership.
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) This is all a right fucking mess, tbh. Made even worse with Eagle vying to usurp Corbyn for Labour's leadership. What I don't understand there is that the people who elected her apparently support Corbyn as leader - I can't understand why she isn't/hasn't been taken to task more for that fact alone! Why be elected if you're going to ignore what your people think! EDIT: Ouch. Leadsom's news might have hurt Eagle's announcement a bit! Apparently a lot of journalists might have gone to cover the former rather than the latter, and there's a quick and slightly cringe clip I've seen of her calling out for the BBC and some other notable political journalists for what I presume are questions, expecting them to be there and getting no response lol. EDITEDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-abandoned-by-media-in-favour-of-andrea-leadsom/ - this one's easier - Edited July 11, 2016 by Rummy
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) This is all a right fucking mess, tbh. Made even worse with Eagle vying to usurp Corbyn for Labour's leadership. What I don't understand there is that the people who elected her apparently support Corbyn as leader - I can't understand why she isn't/hasn't been taken to task more for that fact alone! Why be elected if you're going to ignore what your people think! EDIT: Ouch. Leadsom's news might have hurt Eagle's announcement a bit! Apparently a lot of journalists might have gone to cover the former rather than the latter, and there's a quick and slightly cringe clip I've seen of her calling out for the BBC and some other notable political journalists for what I presume are questions, expecting them to be there and getting no response lol. EDITEDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-abandoned-by-media-in-favour-of-andrea-leadsom/ - this one's easier - Edited July 11, 2016 by Rummy
Kav Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 What I don't understand there is that the people who elected her apparently support Corbyn as leader - I can't understand why she isn't/hasn't been taken to task more for that fact alone! Why be elected if you're going to ignore what your people think! EDIT: Ouch. Leadsom's news might have hurt Eagle's announcement a bit! Apparently a lot of journalists might have gone to cover the former rather than the latter, and there's a quick and slightly cringe clip I've seen of her calling out for the BBC and some other notable political journalists for what I presume are questions, expecting them to be there and getting no response lol. EDITEDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-abandoned-by-media-in-favour-of-andrea-leadsom/ That's comedy gold right there!
Kav Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 What I don't understand there is that the people who elected her apparently support Corbyn as leader - I can't understand why she isn't/hasn't been taken to task more for that fact alone! Why be elected if you're going to ignore what your people think! EDIT: Ouch. Leadsom's news might have hurt Eagle's announcement a bit! Apparently a lot of journalists might have gone to cover the former rather than the latter, and there's a quick and slightly cringe clip I've seen of her calling out for the BBC and some other notable political journalists for what I presume are questions, expecting them to be there and getting no response lol. EDITEDIT: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-abandoned-by-media-in-favour-of-andrea-leadsom/ That's comedy gold right there!
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 That's comedy gold right there! I can't stop watching it lol. If the bulk of Jeremy Corbyn's current support are the youth on social media, this poor woman is about to get super wrecked. At least someone from the media was there to cover it, I guess!
Rummy Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 That's comedy gold right there! I can't stop watching it lol. If the bulk of Jeremy Corbyn's current support are the youth on social media, this poor woman is about to get super wrecked. At least someone from the media was there to cover it, I guess!
gaggle64 Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) First statement from May was read by Chris Grayling, scuttlebutt via Robert Peston is he'll be the next chancellor. Edited July 11, 2016 by gaggle64
gaggle64 Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) First statement from May was read by Chris Grayling, scuttlebutt via Robert Peston is he'll be the next chancellor. Edited July 11, 2016 by gaggle64
Pestneb Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So.. remainers have to leave the EU, and leavers get lead out of Europe by a politician who believes it's the wrong direction. Great. Hands up anyone who voted in the referendum and is happy with the result? I just hope May does better than Brown did. I notice a pattern emerging.. when a prime minister says "I will serve the whole term but will step aside at the end of that term and not run for prime minister" it means "I will try to win the election so I can say I won x amount of times, then after a few months I'll step aside" and maybe add on "to let a muppet fall flat on their face so I look even better." Time will tell. I guess all we can do now is hope may does an excellent job in the circumstances. And that labour sort themselves out in time for the GE.
Pestneb Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So.. remainers have to leave the EU, and leavers get lead out of Europe by a politician who believes it's the wrong direction. Great. Hands up anyone who voted in the referendum and is happy with the result? I just hope May does better than Brown did. I notice a pattern emerging.. when a prime minister says "I will serve the whole term but will step aside at the end of that term and not run for prime minister" it means "I will try to win the election so I can say I won x amount of times, then after a few months I'll step aside" and maybe add on "to let a muppet fall flat on their face so I look even better." Time will tell. I guess all we can do now is hope may does an excellent job in the circumstances. And that labour sort themselves out in time for the GE.
pratty Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 So now it is clear there was never any plan and all the people responsible have left. In any other circumstances this would be considered null and void and we'd forget it ever happened! Why would we though? This is what we collectively decided through the previously and almost universally championed democratic system. The remain voters complaining that they have had something forced on them against their will by the majority were perfectly happy to to do the the exact same thing to the leavers. We all knew this is the nature of democracy, we all effectively said we will inflict our wishes on the minority should our cause be the majority, and we condoned this very system with our willing and even enthusiastic participation in it. Cameron said he would honour the vote to leave, he is the one passing the buck if he leaves before leading us out. Those who lead the leave campaign weren't campaigning to be Prime Minister, that's not what they wanted, they just wanted to leave the EU, they're two totally different things, there's a lot more to being Prime Minister than just managing the EU leave and aftermath. But because Cam doesn't fancy the job anymore we should ignore the vote and blame other people for not wanting to be PM? We all knew there was no concrete plan in place before the vote, hence all the talk of uncertainty if we vote to leave, so why would this disqualify the result of the referendum? As soon as the referendum was announced Cameron and his government should have conceived of a potential exit strategy should the vote go that way, but evidently they didn't because they arrogantly assumed the majority of the people wouldn't possibly defy their government's wishes to remain.
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