Happenstance Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I doubt many people would argue that Nintendo dont do a good job with local multiplayer when when the rest of the gaming community has moved onto online then you would at least hope they'd get the basic stuff right. There is nothing to say they cant do great local AND online right?
Rummy Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) There's no doubt that Nintendo consoles are more geared towards local multiplayer but man you should get on Towerfall. This generation's Smash. Don't get me wrong - I think Towerfall is a great and fun multiplayer experience(and a definite missed trick with no online) but I don't know if I'd go so far as to put it in the same leagues as Smash! But you mean online. I presume. They used to reign supreme as multiplayer kings (N64 days especially)... but with their attitude toward online gaming they'll never reach that peak again. Why presume when you could go crazy and read someone's posts comprehensively before replying? It raises a point however that's been raised before though. You can ask about local multiplayer experiences in the current day and age - but for the majority of us here we've been gamers a long while and we've grown up and moved on - what about the fact that actually getting these local multiplayer experiences together is just probably not as practical as it once was? One thing the Switch potentially fixes is that with its portability and local multiplayer - though that will also depend heavily on the system being a success and having enough local friends to make the most of it. I'd definitely, for myself at least, prefer having an on-par online multiplayer system now than a banging local multiplayer infrastructure - simply because I think the former is much more relevant in the current day and age. There is nothing to say they cant do great local AND online right? Exactly this for me. Why must it be one thing or the other, rather than both? If forcibly given the choice then my situation takes online over local, but I really think both should be made equally as important and implemented as such. Edited February 13, 2017 by Rummy
dazzybee Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 There's no doubt that Nintendo consoles are more geared towards local multiplayer but man you should get on Towerfall. This generation's Smash. I was going to namecheck towerfall, I do have it and it is great fun. Hopefully it comes to switch. But yes, excellent.
Ronnie Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Switch does have both. An industry leading local multiplayer and a likely good online set-up.
Kav Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) @dazzybee the OS is a part of the hardware, the hardware bloody encompasses it so yes, one can cite it as part of the problem! Also, do you know how many friends I had round to do local on WiiU? None! Most of my mates that are gamers live in different cities these days after moving for uni/work, those that live in Manchester have kids or work shifts so them coming over wasn't really the norm... so we game online. On the PS4 I can put on a game, create a Party and chat to my mates even whilst playing different games. Even whilst not playing, I could be on the web browser streaming something to the TV (I've done this a lot with @Blade ) but still chatting. Nintendo have said you can chat whilst online in compatible games. So it's not a Party Chat, it's like how it was in some games on the WiiU. Also, on the PS4 I don't have to use a separate device to do so. You say my "knee-jerking" is getting worse but evidence points to it being more on the money than other people's blind and unwarranted optimism. Just a query @Ronnie what evidence suggests the online set up will be "likely good"? If you consider the industry standard set up, how is it looking the way you suggest? Edited February 13, 2017 by Kav
dazzybee Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 !Why presume when you could go crazy and read someone's posts comprehensively before replying? Why do you feel the need to butt into other people's discussions with these antagonistic comments? You're supposed to be a mod and at times you make things worse. I'm sure Kav isn't bothered at all, I was just being very clear and making sure I wasn't putting words into people's mouths. And countering his point about being "multiplayer kings". Your comment was completely unnecessary, and frankly nothing to do with you. Join in the discussion or don't; the worst thing is these petulant comments.
Ashley Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Switch does have both. An industry leading local multiplayer and a likely good online set-up. 18 days from launch and one of their biggest fans can at best describe their online setup as "likely good"
dazzybee Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I doubt many people would argue that Nintendo dont do a good job with local multiplayer when when the rest of the gaming community has moved onto online then you would at least hope they'd get the basic stuff right. There is nothing to say they cant do great local AND online right? Well indeed, that would be perfect. Let's hope they manage it.
Rummy Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Switch does have both. An industry leading local multiplayer and a likely good online set-up. 'Does have' and 'likely good' hardly mean the same thing though, do they? Nobody's making a falsely dichotomous argument saying it will have NO online. The fact is we simply don't know enough about the online to fully comment. However from the tidbits I see us getting, such as that mentioned re: Splatton, seem to indicate it won't be on par with the standards many of has have come to accept as established since even the PS3/360. Sure - we may still be wrong, but there's so far very little evidence to the contrary, and some to support the fact it might not be there. Why do you feel the need to butt into other people's discussions with these antagonistic comments? You're supposed to be a mod and at times you make things worse. I'm sure Kav isn't bothered at all, I was just being very clear and making sure I wasn't putting words into people's mouths. And countering his point about being "multiplayer kings". Your comment was completely unnecessary, and frankly nothing to do with you. Join in the discussion or don't; the worst thing is these petulant comments. If you're wanting to have a private conversation/dicsussion without me - then do it privately. However last I checked this was a discussion forum - and as has been repeatedly stated people should be able to discuss as they wish, whether you feel it fits your current agenda. Both points are relevant to mine about local multiplayer of old possibly not meeting the needs or wants of the current age - unless you'd somehow like to explain how they aren't I'll happily accept whatever your point was with this as moot. EDIT: Even more relevant as kav has actually gone on to make the same point in regards to local play on his Wii U. So clearly I was extremely irrelevant to this supposed private discussion I'm allowed no part of Edited February 13, 2017 by Rummy
dazzybee Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 @dazzybee the OS is a part of the hardware, the hardware bloody encompasses it so yes, one can cite it as part of the problem! Also, do you know how many friends I had round to do local on WiiU? None! Most of my mates that are gamers live in different cities these days after moving for uni/work, those that live in Manchester have kids or work shifts so them coming over wasn't really the norm... so we game online. On the PS4 I can put on a game, create a Party and chat to my mates even whilst playing different games. Even whilst not playing, I could be on the web browser streaming something to the TV (I've done this a lot with @Blade ) but still chatting. Nintendo have said you can chat whilst online in compatible games. So it's not a Party Chat, it's like how it was in some games on the WiiU. Also, on the PS4 I don't have to use a separate device to do so. I wouldn't say OS is part of the hardware, in fact it's explicitly not surely? It's software no? And we don't know what it is and what it does. And maybe you don't use local multiplayer, it doesn't mean it's not a great thing, maybe not for you, but you can't slag something off for nailing a feature you don't use... I mean you can, but it's the ramblings of a madman! I don't really use online but I don't slag off how amazing online features are on other consoles because I don't use them... And yeah, it seems there is no party chat; not great; but it also seems a little bit of a step up wii u in game voice chat, how much in the middle of the two it is we'll see; but it sort of sounds like. You can create a lobby to chat, outside of the game itself. Ah who knows, we'll find out "after launch" 'Does have' and 'likely good' hardly mean the same thing though, do they? Nobody's making a falsely dichotomous argument saying it will have NO online. The fact is we simply don't know enough about the online to fully comment. However from the tidbits I see us getting, such as that mentioned re: Splatton, seem to indicate it won't be on par with the standards many of has have come to accept as established since even the PS3/360. Sure - we may still be wrong, but there's so far very little evidence to the contrary, and some to support the fact it might not be there. But then there's the evidence of the official info saying you can attach headsets to the switch that says maybe we don't NEED an app.... Maybe. I think ultimately it sounds like it has all the features, but could be behind an app. If the app was an option I see it as nothing but an amazing thing. If it;just the app, then I'm sure we'll get used to it... It may not be horrific!
Kav Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I've not slagged off local multiplayer @dazzybee, if anything I've recognised it's value in that I've said how the joycons being two controllers give it greater value for money. Living with children I recognise this even more... however, what is worth noting is that the kids prefer to play locally on the Xbox One than they did the WiiU! When I say multiplayer I encompass online into it because online is a part of it. I'm talking about it as a whole.
Daft Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 That lack of local multiplayer on other consoles argument is completely ass. Diablo 3 Overcooked Helldivers Dead Nation Alienation ResoGun Borderlands Don't Starve Two Lara Croft games LittleBigPlanet 3 Lovers in a Dangerous Spacetime Guacamelee Nidhogg Trials Fusion Divekick Sportsfriends Enter the Gungeon EDF 4.1 The Binding of Isaac Spelunky Any fighting game like Injustice Those FIFA games that are so popular, and any sports game for that matter Plus, already mention Rocket League and Towerfall At the end of the day, Nintendo can't really compete against most of the industry. The numbers aren't with them.
Serebii Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) At the end of the day, Nintendo can't really compete against most of the industry. The numbers aren't with them. Really? Seriously? REALLY? MOD EDIT(by Rummy) : Consider this post at this point. What is this post saying, how does one react to it, and what does it add to the discussion? I don't want to end up censoring everything, and I don't want to call out every slight joke post, but really I think people need to ask when they post: What does this add to the discussion? My prediction is that this post would inspire a backlash against it due to its rather lacking/thin content and contribution to the discussion(possibly not with this edit, I don't know), and take things further off actual Switch discussion. This isn't a criticism against the poster as I realise I'm going to be called out for - it's a criticism of posts like this; regardless who is making them. MOD EDITEDIT: Below came in as I was making the above edits. [/Rummy] (Serebii)That list is also hilarious, mostly comprising of download and indie titles. On core retail games, local multiplayer is out the window, no longer a focus, and if included shifted away for an online focus. You cannot deny that Edited February 13, 2017 by Rummy
Daft Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 And the problem with download and indie titles are what exactly? What a straw man argument. There's a range of titles there that Nintendo will never come close to. You cannot deny that.
Sheikah Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Then criticised them for being the multiplayer kings and now lost it, well they still are multiplayer kings, and the switch more so than ever... locally. They're the "multiplayer kings" if you basically ignore online multiplayer and having a decent number of recent multiplayer games, and thus anything that might potentially make them eligible for that title.
Ashley Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 You can't extol the virtues of Nintendo getting indie support earlier in this thread and then decree indie games unworthy of note now. As said, what the hell difference does it make? We just going to focus on what's on retail stores? Do we really want to discuss Nintendo's presence in retail stores?
Serebii Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 And the problem with download and indie titles are what exactly? What a straw man argument. There's a range of titles there that Nintendo will never come close to. You cannot deny that. I never said there was a problem. And yeah, Nintendo has a big range, and they also have many indie titles, including some listed. What I'm saying is that the notion that local multiplayer is gone is based on big developers and big publishers abandoning it. That's what people are getting at. You saying "But indies" doesn't diminish that.
Ashley Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 What I'm saying is that the notion that local multiplayer is gone is based on big developers and big publishers abandoning it. That's what people are getting at. You saying "But indies" doesn't diminish that. Yeah look at all these people saying "the notion that local multiplayer is gone is based on big developers and big publishers abandoning it". Apart from a couple of hours on Rocket League I don't think my flat mate and I have ever played local multiplayer on PS4. There just isn't really anything to play in that sense. Nintendo clearly see a niche in local play and are the industry leaders in that sense. The Switch even goes a step further and lets you take local multiplayer on the go. It's brilliant. There's no doubt that Nintendo consoles are more geared towards local multiplayer but man you should get on Towerfall. This generation's Smash. I doubt many people would argue that Nintendo dont do a good job with local multiplayer when when the rest of the gaming community has moved onto online then you would at least hope they'd get the basic stuff right. There is nothing to say they cant do great local AND online right? Don't get me wrong - I think Towerfall is a great and fun multiplayer experience(and a definite missed trick with no online) but I don't know if I'd go so far as to put it in the same leagues as Smash! [...] One thing the Switch potentially fixes is that with its portability and local multiplayer - though that will also depend heavily on the system being a success and having enough local friends to make the most of it. I'd definitely, for myself at least, prefer having an on-par online multiplayer system now than a banging local multiplayer infrastructure - simply because I think the former is much more relevant in the current day and age. Exactly this for me. Why must it be one thing or the other, rather than both? If forcibly given the choice then my situation takes online over local, but I really think both should be made equally as important and implemented as such. I was going to namecheck towerfall, I do have it and it is great fun. Hopefully it comes to switch. But yes, excellent. Switch does have both. An industry leading local multiplayer and a likely good online set-up. And maybe you don't use local multiplayer, it doesn't mean it's not a great thing, maybe not for you, but you can't slag something off for nailing a feature you don't use... I mean you can, but it's the ramblings of a madman! I don't really use online but I don't slag off how amazing online features are on other consoles because I don't use them... I've not slagged off local multiplayer @dazzybee, if anything I've recognised it's value in that I've said how the joycons being two controllers give it greater value for money.Living with children I recognise this even more... however, what is worth noting is that the kids prefer to play locally on the Xbox One than they did the WiiU! When I say multiplayer I encompass online into it because online is a part of it. I'm talking about it as a whole.
Ronnie Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 What I'm saying is that the notion that local multiplayer is gone is based on big developers and big publishers abandoning it. That's what people are getting at. You saying "But indies" doesn't diminish that. Thank you. My point was big publishers abandoning it and Nintendo creating hardware that allows for both innovative local gaming and online. Can you play the likes of Enter the Gungeon, Spelunky, Guacamelee, ResoGun online or is it local multiplayer only? Those, and most of Daft's list, are all primarily single player experiences with tacked on multiplayer anyway.
Cube Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 a likely good online set-up. The Splatoon 2 thread has Nintendo describing the online. It's virtually identical to the Wii U with two differences. Positive: some calendar function for planning sessions. Major negative: it's done through an app, not the console. So, unless Nintendo are lying to us or are just being utterly moronic and describing the online wrong, the Switch seems like it has a worse online than the Wii U (based solely on official comments by Nintendo).
Grazza Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 @Grazza @nekunando Awww gents, you're bringing back the old glory days... So many gems on the GC, I don't think we (well myself at least) truly appreciated it in its time. I honestly loved it at the time. The exception being Metroid Prime, which I couldn't get to grips with until a few years later. But overall the GC felt like the true progression of the N64, with better graphics and controls. What I will say, is that I couldn't predict the direction in which Nintendo would turn. In other words, whilst I did love GC at the time, I didn't realise I wouldn't love the Wii or Wii U. Playing the GC (and Wii) on my CRT was fine, but I've always felt entry-level LCDs are not as good, especially in terms of handling motion. So much so that the Wii U GamePad was better than my HDTV, and hopefully Switch's screen will be too. Hopefully we are finally at that time when we can pick up from where the GC left off! : peace:
Serebii Posted February 13, 2017 Author Posted February 13, 2017 The Splatoon 2 thread has Nintendo describing the online. It's virtually identical to the Wii U with two differences. Positive: some calendar function for planning sessions. Major negative: it's done through an app, not the console. So, unless Nintendo are lying to us or are just being utterly moronic and describing the online wrong, the Switch seems like it has a worse online than the Wii U (based solely on official comments by Nintendo). A new leak, which is hard to deny, indicates you can still do these things without the app. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1343614 In fact, I remember reading an interview where they said that recently too. I'll go hunting.
Cube Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 A new leak, which is hard to deny, indicates you can still do these things without the app. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1343614 In fact, I remember reading an interview where they said that recently too. I'll go hunting. It's good if that's the case. I'm still hopeful which is why I mentioned that perhaps Nintendo are just being moronic in how they're describing it.
liger05 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 A new leak, which is hard to deny, indicates you can still do these things without the app. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1343614 In fact, I remember reading an interview where they said that recently too. I'll go hunting. I wish this kinda of stuff wasn't leaked 3 weeks before release and Nintendo reveals this information. It's ridiculous.
dazzybee Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 ' If you're wanting to have a private conversation/dicsussion without me - then do it privately. However last I checked this was a discussion forum - and as has been repeatedly stated people should be able to discuss as they wish, whether you feel it fits your current agenda. Both points are relevant to mine about local multiplayer of old possibly not meeting the needs or wants of the current age - unless you'd somehow like to explain how they aren't I'll happily accept whatever your point was with this as moot. EDIT: Even more relevant as kav has actually gone on to make the same point in regards to local play on his Wii U. So clearly I was extremely irrelevant to this supposed private discussion I'm allowed no part of I never said private, and I explicitly said join in the discussion, so no idea why you are making things up I said... except it's a common tactic by you to do this... I said join the discussion, just don't post these unnecessary antagonistic comments that don't add anything, the kind of which you threaten others for thread bans... I wasn't on about the rest of your post so no idea why you're moving on to that #strawman And when did I say people couldn't debate about an issue against an agenda I don't have? In fact I'm actively discussing with Kav... how is that saying let's not discuss? Oh, I know, classic Rummy #strawman And I agree, local multiplayer doesn't fit into many adults playing style anymore. I thought I implied as much when saying it to Kav, my pint was it doesn't negate how good the focus of local multiplayer is, let's stick to debating the actual points rather than making up a debate which isn't happening just so you 'appear' right. I've not slagged off local multiplayer @dazzybee, if anything I've recognised it's value in that I've said how the joycons being two controllers give it greater value for money.Living with children I recognise this even more... however, what is worth noting is that the kids prefer to play locally on the Xbox One than they did the WiiU! When I say multiplayer I encompass online into it because online is a part of it. I'm talking about it as a whole. I agree with all this, but your condemning of Nintendos multiplayer seems to suggest little value in local play; otherwise you wouldn't be quite so damning. You referred to what they used to be amazing at, they still are. The problem is the lack of development of online. But hopefully that'll change... They're the "multiplayer kings" if you basically ignore online multiplayer and having a decent number of recent multiplayer games, and thus anything that might potentially make them eligible for that title. I never said they were multi-player kings. Did I? Can't remember now But I was just saying they are amazing at local multiplayer and switch seems to be a big focus on that. The gamepad by design was made for local multiplayer gaming - nintendoland, zombi u, Affordbale Space Adventures, even 5 player Sonic Racing etc showed the potential it had for local play, the fact it wasn't capitalised was because it bombed. Switch again seems to have a huge local multiplayer slant; hopefully it will be capitalised. Just not to the detriment of online play. The Splatoon 2 thread has Nintendo describing the online. It's virtually identical to the Wii U with two differences. Positive: some calendar function for planning sessions. Major negative: it's done through an app, not the console. So, unless Nintendo are lying to us or are just being utterly moronic and describing the online wrong, the Switch seems like it has a worse online than the Wii U (based solely on official comments by Nintendo). You can create lobbies, voice chat, send game invites etc You can do pretty much everything as on the other consoles can't you? Unless I'm reading it wrong. A new leak, which is hard to deny, indicates you can still do these things without the app. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1343614 In fact, I remember reading an interview where they said that recently too. I'll go hunting. I didn't understand it... What's it saying? Can you voice chat on the switch? Also, someone says it's fake as it says 4k output which is confirmed to be wrong. So a developer tweeted - bravo to the developer leaking all this dev stuff, you're the reason Nintendo doesn't trust us. So maybe it is true... Who's clever enough to give a layman's summary?
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