Branching out...A Zelda Fighter and Racer (Ideas)

[Fierce_LiNk]

Personally, I would kill all of you for the chance to play a Zelda fighter in the style of Soul Caliber.

 

The reasons why it could/would work:

 

• Nintendo systems are quite famous for being a bit short on racers and fighters. So, there isn't an abundance of them. This could fill a gap.
  
• Zelda is a long and established franchise with followers of all ages. So, it has the Zelda and Nintendo branding to help it sell.
  
• The games have existed for a long time and contain tons of memorable characters. Shortening the roster would be a lot tougher than having to struggle to think of additions to it.
  
• The same point above applies, but with regards to locations. Imagine fighting with the waterfall entrance to Zora's domain behind you. Or fighting in Death Mountain. Or fighting in that same area where you beat Demise in Skyward Sword. There's tons of opportunities and scope here.
  

[Ville]

Fighter: idea is ok, but I'm a bit worried about the roster depth. Characters like Ruto, Saria etc are not fighters so it would make no sense to turn them into fighting machines. Also, isn't everyone in the Zelda universe pretty much using a sword? How dull is that?

 

Racer: again, not against this, but gimme an idea of the mechanics please. Gorons and zoras can go at top speeds at land / water, but what about the other competitors? What vehicles would possible keep up with them in the high fantasy setting? Steam-powered carts / ships? Flying would be possible with the Loftwings but again, how to add more variety to that?

[Retro_Link]

I'm trying to think how a Zelda racer would work...

 

A way I can envisage it working would be to have courses like in Sonic Racing Transformed.

 

- Your standard Land based method of racing would be on Horseback

- However when you get to the sea, your character puts on a Zora Mask

- A Deku mask would be equipped for short flying/gliding sections like in Mario Kart 7

- A Goron mask could also be an alternate method of land travel to choose from instead of the horse, or maybe you equip one when you get to bumpy/banked/rocky areas for better grip, or to smash through secret routes for example.

 

Would be great it like Diddy Kong Racing there was a way of creating tracks where you could choose what you race as and all the routes combine and intertwine... i.e. as Zora Link you jump out the water and over the track others are riding on... but I'm not sure how they'd do it all.

 

There's definitely exciting potential to be had!

 

And there's such potential for tracks and of course the music!!

 

Weapons could include... Links standard arsenal, like Bombs, Ice/Fire/Light Arrow missiles, spinning Ball and Chain, Hookshot for catching people up, calling in Rain/Lightning (song of storms) with an Ocarina, and of course... Cucco's!! :p

[Jonnas]

I always thought Zelda would make a good MMORPG. There are tons of races throughout the series, plenty of locations and scenery to explore, and an immense amount of sidequest fodder (even places like Termina and Koholint Island could be places you get to explore only under specific circumstances)

 

Fighter: idea is ok, but I'm a bit worried about the roster depth. Characters like Ruto, Saria etc are not fighters so it would make no sense to turn them into fighting machines. Also, isn't everyone in the Zelda universe pretty much using a sword? How dull is that?

 

Sakurai: *laughs*

[Rummy]

Personally, I would kill all of you for the chance to play a Zelda fighter in the style of Soul Caliber.

 

One of the best openers to a post I've seen in a while. Tbh I'm not sure how I'd feel on a racer(though not likely to put it past Nintendo right now ) but a fighter with Zelda characters could be really good. Some of my favourite brawl stages(and characters somewhat) are the Zelda themed ones. It has a brilliant feel and setting for it imo; it'd definitely be a struggle coming up with movesets for some characters in a more SC setting - but I don't see why it can't be done. They did a good job with link from what SC2 I played on GC(which was rather less than on Xbox) but would definitely love the idea. Wasn't it Namco that made SC too? Given their recent Smash teamup it's not even too crazy unrealistic to consider!

 

Weapons could include... Links standard arsenal, like Bombs, Ice/Fire/Light Arrow missiles, spinning Ball and Chain, Hookshot for catching people up, calling in Rain/Lightning (song of storms) with an Ocarina, and of course... Cucco's!! :p

 

Make the Ocarina a wildcard item! Maybe it's a rain/lightning, maybe it's the song of reverse time(or double time, depending which context you wanna put it in)...actually double time works better - everyone else around you starts going faster except you - better in a multi sense as players realise some poor loser's ended up speeding up the whole track but themselves! Maybe it's a teleport/shortcut, maybe its putting the sun away and bringing out re-deads, who knows!

[Retro_Link]

haha yeah that sounds good!

 

Items could be contained within pots to smash through :p

[Ville]

cuccos

I think this right here is where the money is. In other words, The Legend of the Cucco Fighter Wii U in the vein of Mace the Dark Age.

 

[Fierce_LiNk]

Fighter: idea is ok, but I'm a bit worried about the roster depth. Characters like Ruto, Saria etc are not fighters so it would make no sense to turn them into fighting machines. Also, isn't everyone in the Zelda universe pretty much using a sword? How dull is that?

 

You're not thinking broad enough.

 

Volvagia. There's a lot they could do with this character. It could have an ability to fly on screen (obviously not too high, but maybe a special attack when it flies from the sky towards the player on the ground). Breathes fire. Strong.

 

Fyrus. CHAINS. Could be used as weapons. Maybe you could even grab the chains in battle and swing him? He even has the ability to create fire from the ground. He would be an excellent character, imo.

 

Agahnim. A sorcerer. So, use of magic, maybe he can make characters levitate or levitate himself. Create energy balls, fire those. Hand to hand combat too with a staff, possibly.

 

Stallord. Hand to hand combat. Have him coming out of the ground like he does in the game. He has no lower body. Maybe as he loses his health, only his head remains and he attacks with that? Bites and nibbles. Potential to be a fucking great character.

 

Moldarach. I shouldn't have to explain this one. Use the pincers as an attack, for grabbing, for shielding. I imagine his defence would be quite high. Maybe as a special move he can decapitate? Depends how dark you want the game to be.

 

Scaldera. He could roll into a ball as an attack. Create fire, throw bombs, maybe even a self destruct attack?

 

Koloktos. He has multiple weapons. This would be spectacular. He would appear larger than other characters, but maybe his size could also differ depending on if its special attack?

 

Helmaroc King - Flies, uses wind attacks, uses its wings to strike enemies, claws for grabbing, it could carry enemies into the sky and slam them towards the ground.

 

That's not even counting the obvious ones like Ganondorf, who could use a sword or he could just be hand to hand, or even a sorcerer like Agahnim. Zant? Who could use small knives? What about Twinrova? They could have half the energy of others, but you can switch them mid-battle. One has fire magic and one has ice. They could merge together as a special attack.

 

The scope there is MASSIVE because the series is vast and it covers a lot of ground. There's so many characters to choose from. We didn't even discuss the Gorons, Orcs, Zoras, Kokiris, or other types. Darknuts? Trimming it down would be the issue. There is more than enough variation.

[MoogleViper]

I'm surprised you're all backing this. I imagine if Nintendo did this you'd all say they were "selling out" and milking the brand.

 

There isn't really anything Zelda would add to a racer/fighter, other than the branding. I'd much rather see a more original racing game.

[Mokong]

Considering we already have Smash and MK it's hard for me to imagine how Nintendo could make a seperate Zelda themed fighter or racer and make them different and meaningful enough and still hold that "Nintendo-ness" they brought to Smash and MK.

 

Though the idea of a Zelda fighter in the style of Soul Calibur sounds YUM, though if Nintendo were to do such a game I'd get the feeling they wouldn't want it to be like any other fighter (and last time they did that we got Smash)

 

For a racer I've thought for a while they should just turn Mario Kart into "Nintendo All Stars Racing" or "Smash Bros Racing" or something to help give the franchise a bit more of a "new" feel

[MoogleViper]

I'd prefer a Zelda fighter more like Power Stone.

[Oxigen_Waste]

I'd rather have new IPs devoted entirely to such efforts instead of more milking of the same tired franchises.

[Sheikah]

I'd rather have new IPs devoted entirely to such efforts instead of more milking of the same tired franchises.

 

Exactly this.

 

Ascribing existing Nintendo faces to spin off series ad infinitum is what Nintendo already does best. Constant rehashes and stale ideas are why I've mostly lost interest in Nintendo games, bar a couple.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Fucking hell.

 

Yes, it would be lovely if Nintendo made a New IP in the fighting genre. Provided that it was interesting, I'd be first in line. However, the problem with that particular idea is that it leaves us very, very little scope for discussion on this forum because it could literally be anything. You wouldn't have a clue where to begin with even identifying characters or stages because it would be made from scratch.

 

This is my thread and I made it because I think it would be pretty fucking sweet to have a Zelda fighting game because we already have a starting point. We have got plenty of characters that have had very little exposure (many of them will never ever appear in another game) and we have got umpteen stages to choose from, due to the vast number of locations in the series.

 

So, on that basis, and considering the nature of the series and the characters, I reckon a fighter could work. We're not bluddy talking about a new IP. If you want to discuss that, then do it in another thread. Make your own, stop interfering with mine and hijacking it for your own agenda.

 

Cheers.

[Sheikah]

What...the fuck? Is this a discussion topic or a dictatorship?

 

We're perfectly entitled to say we wouldn't want this based on Nintendo doing this sort of thing a lot already, without having our heads bitten off.

 

Also creating a forum topic does not mean other people are not allowed to express an opinion you don't like.

[Rummy]

I think some are also just assuming this would be 'Zelda Kart' and 'Super Smash Zelda' - it wouldn't. I also think some are thinking this is a totally 100% serious discussion.

 

I like the character ideas Flink, and totally agree there's such a wealth of characters. Reneging on that Super Smash comment for some reason thinking of Volvagia made me think of Rayquqza in Brawl's SSE, but yeah. Personally I'd love to see how they'd do some Arenas - again SC2 has some nice stage construction but the places you could do in a Zelda fighter would be great... and almost endless!

 

What...the fuck? Is this a discussion topic or a dictatorship?

 

We're perfectly entitled to say we wouldn't want this based on Nintendo doing this sort of thing a lot already, without having our heads bitten off.

 

Also creating a forum topic does not mean other people are not allowed to express an opinion you don't like.

 

I think his point is more that this is a topic for a discussion of this idea that will most likely never ever happen. It's kinda of half expected/implied it would never be a serious thing, so there isn't so much need for people to come in and go 'this'll never happen! i don't want this! nintendo do this enough already!'

 

It's a topic of IF there was a Zelda Fighter and Racer...what kinda ideas can people come up with? That's actually there in the topic name. 'I don't want this' and 'It'll never happen' are not really ideas.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Rummy
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[Fierce_LiNk]

What...the fuck? Is this a discussion topic or a dictatorship?

 

We're perfectly entitled to say we wouldn't want this based on Nintendo doing this sort of thing a lot already, without having our heads bitten off.

 

Also creating a forum topic does not mean other people are not allowed to express an opinion you don't like.

 

No, sorry, I'm putting my foot down on this one. It's very clear from the very first post what this is about, it's about "ideas" to branch out Zelda to other genres. This isn't saying something about what Nintendo SHOULD do, or about strategies or whatnot, this is about ideas from a Nintendo fan about the possibility of a Zelda fighter. It's in the title.

 

This isn't about people expressing an opinion I don't like. Ville explained his view earlier about too many characters with swords, which I then rebuffed with my own point. What pisses me off is people then entering this thread and discussing things that don't belong here. This is a topic about ideas for a ZELDA FIGHTER. The clue is in the fucking title.

 

How does this:

 

"Ascribing existing Nintendo faces to spin off series ad infinitum is what Nintendo already does best. Constant rehashes and stale ideas are why I've mostly lost interest in Nintendo games, bar a couple. "

 

and this

 

" I'd rather have new IPs devoted entirely to such efforts instead of more milking of the same tired franchises."

 

help? It doesn't. This topic is so utterly very clear and specific about one thing: branching out Zelda into other genres. What you're discussing and bringing into this thread are your own issues and feelings which don't really have a place on this current discussion. It's like going into the football thread waving a banner singing "nah nah nah, I hate football, I prefer rugby." It's along the same lines and it comes across that way.

 

It's very sad that fans just aren't allowed to dream anymore and talk about ideas that they themselves find interesting without others having to interfere and make shitty comments. Sorry @Sheikah, but it is a shitty comment and you knew full well what you're doing. I respect that you may not like Nintendo anymore, but I bluddy do.

[Sheikah]

What do you mean by 'how does that help'? I'm not trying to help anyone - just put forward my view. I don't see why you're getting offended by two small posts that do not necessarily coincide with your viewpoint. Embrace it! It's variety! Don't get worked up about it.

 

I think really our point was very minor and on topic (and now blown totally out of proprtion), that Nintendo is infamous for doing this already. Let's try not get angry over this.

 

Sorry @Sheikah, but it is a shitty comment and you knew full well what you're doing. I respect that you may not like Nintendo anymore, but I bluddy do.

 

^ I'd also appreciate if you didn't do this. I can't stand when people like to think they know what I was trying to say apparently better than myself.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Sheikah
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[Fierce_LiNk]

What do you mean by 'how does that help'? I'm not trying to help anyone - just put forward my view. I don't see why you're getting offended by two small posts that do not necessarily coincide with your viewpoint. Embrace it! It's variety! Don't get worked up about it.

 

I'm annoyed by this because your posts don't really have a place in this discussion. I've already covered it, as has Rummy. The thread had one clear goal and you have come along and effectively removed the goalposts. I'm disappointed that all it took was about a dozen posts before this happened.

 

I think really our point was very minor and on topic (and now blown totally out of proprtion), that Nintendo is infamous for doing this already. I've no idea why you've made such a huge deal about it.

 

It wasn't on topic. No way was it. If you can't see that, then I'm not sure what I can say to make you see it. I've already expressed my point above. It wasn't on topic. It was very off topic and a totally different discussion point altogether.

 

^ I'd also appreciate if you didn't do this. I can't stand when people like to think they know what I was trying to say apparently better than myself.

 

Why? Tough, I'm calling you out on it because that's how it looks.

[Ville]

Well discussion is discussion, you're gonna have polar opinions no matter what. If you don't like them, just brush them aside or counter them with your own arguments. Even if they aren't "productive", I do think negative opinions on this matter are still totally warranted as well.

 

Anyway, so you'd think a Soul Calibur kind of fighter would be good, Jim? Reading your list there are quite a lot of boss characters that might be a bit tricky to include in that format. I started thinking that maybe this would work better as a Naruto-style fighter where the characters actually have real super attacks (jutsus) and aren't confined to weapons so much. Thus for example Volvagia using lava attacks would be totally fine. Although, the bosses are usually much bigger than human(-like) characters so that would be a problem no matter what the format...

[Fierce_LiNk]

Well discussion is discussion, you're gonna have polar opinions no matter what. If you don't like them, just brush them aside or counter them with your own arguments. Even if they aren't "productive", I do think negative opinions on this matter are still totally warranted as well.

 

I don't mind comments if they're about the topic in hand, but the stuff being brought into this thread was something else entirely. It's not relevant to this particular discussion. Like I said, it's akin to going into the football season thread and saying, "football is boring, let's talk about rugby." No. The topic is about football. This topic is about a Zelda fighter or a racer, or something along those lines. Branching that series out. Ideas. Dreams. It's linear. It's purely a fan-topic just for discussing ideas. Like I already said, I'm fine discussing ideas as long as they're about the topic. This is probably the only Nintendo thread on the whole forum where I hoped we could at least have some nice discussion, but alas, some people find a way in and make it about their own agenda: Their hatred for or disappointment with Nintendo.

 

Anyway, so you'd think a Soul Calibur kind of fighter would be good, Jim?

 

I don't really care any more now. It started off, like I keep saying, as a fan thread but it's quite clear that you can't have those types of threads around here. So, fuck it. I'm out.

[Sheikah]

I don't really agree with that analogy. This would be more akin to "I have ideas for a new game, I've termed it football. Here is why I think it could work". This then followed by a couple of responses from others as to why it may not work.

 

Anyway, how about I express my opinions in a more productive manner, pretty similar to how you did in your opening post, Flink.

 

Things that could be cool about this:

 

- I agree with Jonnas that a Zelda MMORPG could be lucrative, particularly since action RPGs are vastly outweighed by turn-based / semi-turn based titles. Heck, I'd be more happy if it was less MMORPG and more 4-player Phantasy Star Online - esque adventure, which would play something like Four Swords.

 

- A Pokemon MMORPG would also fit right into place. It has the bestiary already setup.

 

- Fire Emblem meets Dynasty Warriors would also be pretty cool (set in the FE universe). Although I got pretty bored of DW, that was mostly because you replayed the same battles, with the same characters, for the same sorts of rewards. I'm sure there's ways they could keep it fresh.

 

 

Things that would not be cool about doing these sorts of games:

 

I think reusing characters and franchises would take criticism, and probably only appeal to the Nintendo core. I don't think it would help entice people that are looking for new IP and ideas.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Sheikah

[Ville]

I don't really care any more now. It started off, like I keep saying, as a fan thread but it's quite clear that you can't have those types of threads around here. So, fuck it. I'm out.

 

Come on now man, why do you take those comments so seriously? They're just opinions. I thought this was an interesting topic, and a positive one as well.

[Sheikah]

Yeah, I've really not set out to offend you or destroy your topic dude. If I'd known this would have been the reaction, I honestly wouldn't have bothered.

[dwarf]

I completely agree with Sheikah & Oxigen. Their comments are both valid and on topic, even if they've taken the topic in a direction you didn't want to see, Flink.

 

I was hoping you were being ironic by titling this 'branching out', because this is the same franchise rape we've seen from Nintendo for the past umpteen years. It would be refreshing to see Nintendo come up with a new IP knowing full-well that it couldn't be stripped of its assets in order to expand their cheery, self-congratulating empire.

 

What would a Zelda racer really have to say about the series? What value does it add? In my eyes, Link should only be put in a car if Nintendo made a mash-up racer (ala Smash Bros roster).

 

Speaking of Smash, can somebody tell the Wii-Fit Trainer to fuck off out of it please? That right there is bullshit nobody asked for. Smash Bros is about cherished characters. Wii Fit is a soulless, money-making fad. It has no fan-base, it's not a part of Nintendo's fantasy universe. What's happened there is, Miyamoto has pitched the idea to his spineless colleagues and they've blithely indulged him despite knowing the idea is steeped in hot piss.

Edited July 10, 2013 by dwarf