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That means absolutely nothing. Those chips cost $140 (the X1800)to implement in a console (it does in the 360). I think it's posstible the Revolution will use a modified 65 nm version of the Mobility Radeon X1800XT chip (yet to be announced) or a Crossfired (dual GPU) laptop X1800XL or X850XT, but more will probably cost too much or create too much heat.

Why does he hype us like that... Now I just feel oddly irritated

Are you kidding? This looks worse than MP2... The textures and polygon look the same but it's so bland and dull. It's a tunnel, sure, but still...

Matt Cassamina doesn't know sh*t about hardware... When I sent him fake specs he e-mailed them through to some devvies who 'laughed at it' (granted I made the Rev look like it'll outperform the 360 by a massive margin), and he made a comment that he was sure the Revolution would do 40 gigawatts in only two lightyears or whatever. If they showed him numbers and he had compared the numerical values directly, then yes, the 360 and PS3 would look so much stronger. The contacts he has are the likes of that Epic guy everybody got angry with (forgot his name) so meh. I trust BigTac's contacts better, cause he knows what he's talking about. On-topic: Well the Revolution is only expected early autumn, so that would fit the scheme right, wouldn't it?

Quit attacking Haver for making a point, you sad person you. You're the one making this a fight.

Yeah, the scan lines would be an ingame effect, and it doesn't look like something at all you encounter in Metroid Prime 2....

Those seem Revolution graphics to me alright It still doesn't seem very demanding visuals to me. I bet the Revolution controller helicopter control will make up plenty for that though

Japan - September 31st USA - October 7th Australia - October 10th Europe - October 21st All 2006 of course.

Whenever they release a HD output cable all will be fine...

If the graphics were only barely better than on Cube, it would launch at €99... I don't think Nintendo could do that. I doubt the gap Rev <> PS3 will be bigger than PS2 <> Xbox nowadays.

I sometimes don't like Nintendo's attitude that they know what gamers want and what not, like when they dropped HD, like when they announced that people get scared of too many buttons on a controller, like online is not the future and like the failed GBA <> Cube connectivity. But that's beside the point. I'm not saying HD is the keypoint next gen. I couldn't disagree more. I'm so pro HD because I feel that HD enriches experience more than it makes graphics better. Polygon count and texture resolution don't matter much and keep on mattering less and less in the future. The resolution boosts actually creates clearer, more detailed worlds, without ugly strips of pixels that anti-aliasing couldn't smear out. We need HD to notice the difference between previous gen and next gen - I feel we're at a point where this fifty-year-old 640x480 doesn't do the graphics and the game experience justice any more. I agree with Haver that visuals can create, or even are required, to create a good experience. If Nintendo misses out on this one, they're missing a chance to make Metroid Prime and The Legend of Zelda better than they could be in 480p, and that'd be such a shame. But let's not make this a pointless HD discussion again. Haver, I understand what you mean. Fanboy emotions sometimes run high and it sometimes seems that there are ritual bonfires of burning PS2s in our backyard - but things aren't always what they seem. @ Innovance: Yeah, it's true Microsoft and Sony are pushing their consoles off the gaming target and that's why the Revolution can be small and cheap. It's mainly matter of prestige I think MS and Sony had in mind when designing their consoles, saying they have extremely powerful CPUs (and they do in theory) and that graphics are going to be amazing (but what more could they say?). The step to multicore was inevitable, it couldn't be put off to the next next generation, and it's pretty certain that the Revolution will be at least dual core. But Microsoft and Sony exaggerated, and now the architectures are very difficult, with many flaws just so they could say their consoles are (or seem to be) so powerful. It does well in marketing, it doesn't do that well in performance.

I think Haver is overreacting on the fact that he likes the Xbox 360 more than the rest of us here, and he blames it on us not being open minded. That's not true, the Xbox 360 just isn't convincing enough for me and most others on this forum.

He's actually talking to some annoying fanboys that pop up sometimes. But he's totally missing the point as he makes it sound like he's talking to everyone here and those fanboys would never read more than three lines of his post.

It seems to me that some here created the wrong impression on you. I don't consider myself a fanboy. I disagree with it seems everybody here about HDTV, I despise Mario Party and Nintendo's attitude towards gamers sometimes and I honestly looked forward to playing the Xbox 360. There are loads of games on other consoles that I love - Pro Evolution Soccer, Halo, Jade Empire, Gran Turismo and most PS2 RPGs - I wish I had them all. I don't have them all, I simply don't have the money for it. I've grown up with Nintendo, and with Metroid, Zelda and all Nintendo franchises which I'll still have over others game anyday (just a matter of taste I developed), so I decided that the Cube was the right choice for me. I don't consider the other consoles bad at all - I just think the Cube is better. When it comes to graphics, you're right, but not completely. I realize that Metroid Prime 2 and Resident Evil 4 wouldn't be half the games they are without their visuals. However, etter experience creates better gameplay, true, but better graphics is better experience is too simple. Experience isn't just graphics, it's the way in which the game's atmosphere is brought too you - that is more than just polygon count and texture resolution. If the world you're jumping around in is a coherent, living world, (like when you see little butterflies flying to the sun in Beyond Good & Evil and schools of fish swimming around in MP2) it means much more to me than that PGR 3's cars a made out of 60 000 polygons. By your reasoning, any developer with loads of money to invest in graphics automatically makes great games because the graphics create such a fantastic experience. Making a game is more than making the graphics, it's making worlds that the player wants to explore. Graphics help with that, they are required maybe, but there is much more good design required to make it work. Any home console made in the last 10 years is able to make such an experience, so to me the point in improving graphics becomes less important every generation. Of course I wouldn't say that if there was no change Nintendo is trying to make. But the DS and the Revolution have changed my opinion, and now I've spent quite some time playing the Xbox 360 I can say definetely that I think Nintendo's way is better. It seems to me you think there are lots of people here who think the other consoles are rubbish, and there are some who think that way. Most of us here appreciate other games and other ideas though, but just think Nintendo is better. That's what you get when you go to a Nintendo forum.

I think that Microsoft's and Sony's problem is that we reached the point on which a console was powerful enough to do any game well with very decent graphics already in the current generation. Upgrading the power of the console used to mean that more was possible in gameplay as well, but that doesn't seem to work for the 360. It's only graphics, graphics, graphics that have improved, and so the step up from PS2 <> PS3 is much smaller as the step PS1 <> PS2. Nintendo actually have something new, so at least they make the difference bigger with the Cube than Microsoft or Sony are making their gaps with Xbox and PS2.

White looks best in all its iPodish sexiness ^_^

All I can say is liek duh, but it's good to see confirmation

Yeah, the ARM7 is just a nice chip to dump annoying stuff on you don't want to bother the ARM 9 with. It's mostly used as a sound processor and network manager, so that the ARM 9 can focus on what's more important. Dual core works a bit different. Besides, if Nintendo uses dual core, then PC programmers that are getting used to the new PC dual core generation (Pentium D and Athlon 64 X2) can use their experience for the Revolution. I'm not worried too much about the CPU, it's the GPU Nintendo needs to do a good job on, seeing how much the 360's GPU costs.

The X360 demo pods use a 58 cm Samsung screen (which I've seen going for €650 or ~£450) so it should be of good gaming quality if Microsoft uses it to hype their console.

The Revolution could actually make a third person Metroid work... Oh well, that's only for after Prime. I'm sure the FPS controls work fantastically, although it's ironic that Prime (the original defied standard FPS controls in a perfect way) is going to use the controls that every Rev FPS will use.

Its visual style is like a FEAR/Half-Life combination. Doesn't look that advanced, I'm sure this'll be no problem for the Revolution

system_error can be so undeniably right sometimes

I played the Xbox 360 yesterday and I just got bored with it. There was Project Gotham 3, there was Kameo, and there was Perfect Dark too, and I played them all but it didn't excite me. There was a slight, faint wow for the graphics first but that all faded away pretty fast. Project Gotham 3 looks pretty good, but it doesn't really improve much over the Xbox PGR2 much at all. The racing just feels exactly the same. There was Perfect Dark Zero, which just felt like another FPS, and Kameo looked really nice and crisp but that's a game you need to be on a couch to have fun with. The bottom line is that there was nothing that makes me want an Xbox 360 because it really feels like it's Xbox 1.5. Graphics only get me when I see videos or when playing the first three minutes (or when playing TWW but that's beside the point), so there is nothing about the 360 that makes me even doubt of spending a ridiculous €400 on it. The controller is pretty damn nice though.

What price are aiming at? If you want a 100Hz Philips you're done for about €600-700. Also remember the World Championships will be broadcasted in HD (not sure about Austria though).

Yeah, it's like combining an emulator with something iTunes-like. Seems it's going to be good though.