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FFVI is really, really good. I'd still say I find VII's story more touching though. That said, FFVI stands the test of time visually. FFVII is perhaps one of the most remake-requiring 3D games I can think of, what with it being one of the earliest 3D console games.

Well I know I'm not the only one who thinks it, but Nintendo on Sony home consoles would be grand. Nintendo, without Nintendo hardware.

I must say, FF7 was the third Final Fantasy game I played (FF9, then FF8, then FF7) so the furore/first RPG of its kind thing passed me by. I just enjoyed it for what it was. The story and setting is really nice.

It's a great RPG that most importantly has some of the best characters and moments in any game. Some people prefer other FF games more (my favourite was FF8) but most FF lovers will still tell you how great this game is. The story is really in that it sucks in you in and makes you care. The music is seriously awesome, too. You don't need to play any previous Final Fantasy games because all main Final Fantasy titles are all set in different worlds/universes with different characters. Nothing carries over.

No money is taken until the Kickstarter ends (in 29 days for Shenmue 3). If the requested amount of funding is not 100% reached when the Kickstarter ends, no money is taken and the Kickstarter fails.

I think it's a very early stage with not much done at all. Extra stuff - see the things you get down the right hand side for each tier of funding. Because it's cheaper to pay now than it will be on release. It's £18.22 for the digital version right now. It'll be a long time after release until it's likely that cheap. Plus you get stretch goals which mean they promise to add certain features if a specific level of funding is met (e.g. 4 million USD). And of course, the idea of helping a developer out.

1. For you to call me "such a fanboy" is ridiculous, especially in this setting. Even Ronnie has acknowledged the disaster that was Nintendo's E3 this year; you still believe it wasn't! 2. It's a great precedent. Games that would never have seen the light of day due to companies not willing to take risks in funding them entirely can now be made. It must be that, because if Sony saw this as a great investment/very profitable/not much of a risk, they would have just bought the company (if they were willing), no? And there would not have been a kickstarter. Via the kickstarter route, I can buy into for a fraction of the price of a normal retail game. How anyone can think that is bad is, frankly, beyond me. What difference does it make to you and I? We part with our money for our games, as before. But LESS money. Or - you buy at release, as you would normally. How can you complain? Don't like it, don't back it. Simple as that. No it's not. You "win" E3 by having a great show. Having a great show, by the same hand, brings in the customers.

Whaaat. That's like implying news revealed at E3 stays at E3 and doesn't trickle out to the public. People know TLG is coming. People know FF7 remake is coming. People know Shenmue is coming, and that UC4 looks awesome. Ok, these things together "won" E3. But by the same token, and not in an unrelated way, this news also sways people. You can see that happening even on this forum. People are practically gagging for these games. The way they wowed at E3 was a pretty good indicator of how people outside of E3 would take the news, too. lol, "diabolical and disgusting". How dare they offer us the chance to pay £18.22 for this game in advance! I want the Nintendo way; to pay a full £40, 2-3 years after release! Who gives a whoop whether more than one company is funding this? Happens in lots of games, at doesn't really strike me as shady; Sony just aren't willing to bankroll for full exclusivity/development. I get some people may not want to pay up front, but hey, you can buy the game when it is released!

Excuse me? Serebii was being rather unnecessarily bitter about games that many of us are excited about, and I made light of that. If we're making requests, would you kindly stop picking at my posts every time a discussion starts to happen? I've noticed it a bit recently and frankly it's becoming rather fucking annoying.

If a game happened to be ready, I'm sure they'd release it sooner. Doesn't make sense to me to delay something for the purpose of the number being a coincidence. Either way, we don't know!

FFXV has been a victim of personnel changeover (and it used to be a FFXIII game); it is by no means a normal case. Similarly TLG has probably not been worked on for a long time, yet now we've just come to know it still exists, yet it's coming next year. You could be right, I could be right. But that doesn't mean you can just say "it's coming 2 years later" because really, you don't know that.

Or they could show gameplay trailers for games out next year (TLG, Uncharted)? Also the FF7 remake has been in development for a while (was already underway at last year's E3 when they revealed the FF7 port), so we don't know it's 2 years away. Either way, would you like some salsa for that chip on your shoulder?

Sure, I guess you can say making and showing lots of good games is a different 'strategy' to making bad ones. Not that I think that's what has happened here, but you pretty much do this all the time, so I find this a bit hypocritical. Like just the other day with drahkon and his opinion on the Wii U gamepad.

Ah man, we're almost at that point. Our solicitor is a bit incompetent really, as they told us we were exchanging yesterday so we told our letting agency we're ready to move out (when it turns out, the others guys weren't actually ready to exchange after all). Hopefully this gets sorted out, it's a bit annoying as they have to sell their house at the same time, and it all has to happen at once... Still...soon.

So many are unhappy about the scarce smattering of new content Nintendo announced because it looked like bollocks. People are excited about Sony's showing because the games all looked amazing and/or were highly desired by the fans. Nothing else really matters. The whole "Nintendo has more in the next 12 months, with Sony you'll have to wait 2 years" argument comes across as very desperate, like you're trying to salvage a point based on a technicality. I would rather wait 2 years (much less in TLG and Persona V's case) for great games I want than have a truckload of dogshit dumped on my front garden within the next 6-12 months. It's also totally incomparable, since the other consoles have third party games like Fallout 4 and Batman coming.

Fuck me, there are no words. You're so in denial it's untrue.

No idea how you can say that after what we have seen the past couple of days.

Have to agree with this somewhat. @Jonnas, I think it's rather disrespectful to suggest that nobody else here has been level-headed, presumably because you disagree with them. I often don't see eye to eye with @Zechs Merquise but he has completely hit the nail on the head with this one. A truly groundbreaking E3, this one. The most utterly astounding presentations from 2 companies for such drastically different reasons.

But that's exactly what I was getting at (as a counter point to Dcubed). Are you on the sauce again? It does need money through Kickstarter. You guys are missing the point here by calling it shady, because it's not. Sony aren't funding the entirety of this game for exclusivity, else it would be said to be 'PS4 exclusive', so it's gone through Kickstarter. If that's because Sony don't want to pay the asking price to essentially own this game (maybe as they saw it as a risk, the devs didn't want to sell their freedom, of they asked for fuck loads of cash), we don't know. We know Sony have some kind of financial stake in this, enough to promote it, but the insinuation here is...really off. It's not as if Sony owns the dev company and is responsible for the costs, but just doesn't want to pay up front. They're just promoting it because they have a stake; they have no intention of covering the full cost of the game.

Then why did they do it? If they wouldn't benefit, they wouldn't do it. The truth is, they're probably getting money from Sony (which is the point I originally made that Dcubed disagreed with). That's why the kickstarter page lists only PS4 and PC.

What do you think publicising is? It's all funding at the end of the day. Advertising ain't free!

How do you know? Did you sit in on a board meeting? Don't let your answer be "because they said so".

Ha, nice one.

Come on, of course Sony has put money into it . On the Kickstarter page the formats are listed as PC and PS4, and this featured in a Sony conference. They just don't want to pay the price to get full exclusivity it would seem.

What can be said about Sony was that it had probably the best E3 of all time, instead. So, there is that.