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Breadth of titles on the Wii U versus breadth of titles on the PS4, that's all this is about. Once again - nobody should give a flying fuck about 'how well' Nintendo do for one developer compared to say Sony. Nintendo have a console and the games on that console should be as diverse as those available on other consoles if they want lots of people to pick it up. They are not.

Wii U - games from mostly just Nintendo. PS4 - games from most developers currently making games. Absolute lunacy Ronnie; not a person here agrees with you!

I don't get it - we are telling you why there is a serious lack of diversity on the console and then you're basically saying 'yeah but they're just one developer; isn't that good for one developer'. I don't care if they're one developer - it's simply not my problem that they chose to make their own console with so little support. Our comments on the situation relative to the competition are more than fair. They shouldn't be making a console if they can't muster adequate support.

So you're saying the Wii sold because of the gimmick - fine? I would agree that it sold a lot of units due to a gimmick. And then I'd go on to say that success attracted third parties with a variety of games. Anyway this is moving away from the point of the Wii U - it HAS games that have sold several million copies, yet the system is not massively selling buckets when these new games come out. That's because it's mostly the same people who already have the system and previous games buying the new games. A lot of this is due to the games Nintendo are making - both the types (e.g. lots of platformers) and the style. And because they are all made by one company, diversity in their output will obviously be very limited. It's not like on other systems where you have lots of your realistic racers, sports games, big FPS titles, RPGs, indie titles, etc - all made by different companies. Each of those types of games can attract very different audiences. We know this must be true because if you look at individual game sales they are nowhere near the several million system sales that the PS4 has. People are buying different types of games.

What point are you making here? The Wii/DS did have diversity, it had third parties on board. Wii U is pretty much just Nintendo, making their usual stuff to sell to their dedicated audience. The same people buy the games, so you don't see massive numbers of system sales despite good individual game sales.

You're using figures to try prove one thing, but those figures were your undoing for your comments on diversity. I'll break it down for you as you clearly didn't understand the point being made - you're saying that the Wii U has a bunch of games that have sold 4-5 million, maybe even 7 million, and how this compares to the competition. And we're telling you that these games sell to the same audience, hence lack of diversity of games, which is reflect by the lack of system sales. The fact that the Wii U struggles so much is enough to show the clear lack of games and lack of diversity in their lineup. And a huge lack of some genres of games. If they pulled in multiple different audiences then there'd a lot more units shifted.

Nintendo's games are so concentrated in one area (and lacking diversity) that they all sell to the same subset of people. It's why so few consoles shift even though they have a good few individual games that have shifted millions of copies. You're using sales to try prove your point, but ironically they have proven ours - a clear lack of diversity in appeal of the games they make.

Yeah, just a few gaps. That's why nobody is buying their fucking console.

I don't care if they develop more types of games than any other one company. They are still one company, and one company alone cannot produce diversity to float an entire console.

Nintendo are definitely not too diverse for their own good (far from it!). That list just shows the top 4 games sales wise on offer - it doesn't show the range of games on offer on the system, nor does it make mention that 2 of those involve Mario. The biggest take home is that most of their games are made by Nintendo - a sure sign of a lack of diversity.

At first I thought how silly it was that you barely see any of the screen in that second pic. Looking closer, it seems like the tickboxes are for indicating what you want to show on this mini window (notice that the things that are ticked all appear on the left hand side of the screen too). So once you've selected the things you want, I don't think you'll see that big window again.

The best news here is that opening up the PS menu while in-game (or clicking the share button) will not take up the whole screen. Not bothered by folders, but the non-downloaded content organisation sounds good.

Ah, Pokemon snap. The game that single-handedly showed us how a proper Pokemon game might work on home console. Imagine instead walking around an encountering Pokemon like how they appear in Snap, with the option to catch them.

Why do you need to be told you can come?

Yeah I don't think we can stress enough how grateful we all are to you @Zell - thanks once again for being an awesome host and putting us all up at yours!

No technically about it, it most certainly was doing it. I lost many an hour to PSO on gamecube.

As the saying goes...you get what you pay for.

I don't give a fuck if it's first, second or third party Ronnie. The point about Indies that completely flew over your head was that compared to the PS4, Wii U hardly has any. It mostly has Nintendo games which limits the diversity on offer. All that matters is that the Wii U has poor game variety. Doesn't matter a jot about whether it's a first/third party list.

I can sure do that.

I just don't see how anyone can claim that a console almost entirely supported by a single company can have any true sense of diversity. Imagine if you could only eat chocolate made by Cadbury's - you might have a lot of different chocolate bars, but the base chocolate in every bar tastes awfully familiar. The same characters, themes and gameplay pop up time and time again. Most of the time they aren't really trying to innovate on any real level - NSMBU is a great example of that.

Ahhh...you guys. Making me want to buy this. Going to the meet this weekend and on holiday from Wednesday next week, so don't want to buy yet. But still...

@Serebii like kav says, it's completely fair to expect something different of Nintendo, as they're in a totally different situation. And yet look at other consoles and you will see they have even more genres (many Indie games with entirely new genres of their own), and most importantly, several examples for each genre (not just 1, or maybe 2). They're also made by very different companies with their own styles.

Anything without the need for very precise aim or oodles of buttons/shortcuts is invariably worth getting on console IMO, if you don't mind the graphical hit. The controller is more comfortable and the games are actually properly optimised to display on HDTV. Don't get me started on the way most PC games display on HDTV. There's much more of a community on console too. Obviously you can buy an Xbox controller for PC but that isn't always an option, and I far prefer the PS4 pad anyway. PS4 pad isn't properly supported in games as I recall, what with button prompts still being those for Xbox when using a PS4 pad.

Bottom of the bargain bin is where I see this plastic crap going tbh.

Nice. That's Valentine's Day sorted then.