Rummy

Right. Getting used to doing all this with new forum layout but this is an extension of another thread. For those in expectance - it'll be good to go when unlocked. For those confused as to what it is - it'll be good to go when unlocked Once done I'll make this into a better post. TL;DR; - if you're reading this right now watch this space all will change shortly.

Ok well another great way to illustrate my point of not being listened to when I made a lengthy response specifically asking this not be done in this thread but a different one. I can't cut these now. I'll go home later and do so on my laptop - feel free to continue both debates but rest assured all that this will not be the overriding theme of this thread as I'll split them into a seperate topic later.

Even 9 months out vs PS4 it'll have tons of content. Saying that I'll be interested for Payday to see how it compares in review to the PS4 counterpart(as I have experience of that). I hadn't played for ages but fired it up a few weeks back after my HDD upgrade as mate got it so we did some 4p - I completely agree with you on wondering about communication; I imagine it can be done without it(people play with randoms after all) but with my mates and the missions we did having not played to be familiar this time communication was really key. I spent one whole mission not even understanding what the hell was going on/we were doing, and we spent another not understanding how to escort a guy. The game is kinda unforgiving in its continuous nature(which is what makes it great) but it's one of the reasons you also, imo, need excellent methods for communication.

TL;DR - this spawned out of a moderation comment I made within the Nintendo Switch Online thread; the premise of this thread is essentially as follows; though due to the nature and splitting it is difficult to elaborate upon the original points within earlier posts, so I will post a summary/quote of the original prompting post here, and some follow-up afterwards/later. Now there's a srs tl;dr warning to come with this - so be prepared to be called if you don't read it all. First things first; Apologies - these are owed both to other staff here for essentially once again being renegade and undertaking things on the spur of a moment of my own accord without discussion due to my afforded authority as a mod; I like to follow a democratic process but fully recognise I often initiate these independently. Next - apologies to any members affected by my posts and the subsequent derailing of the original thread; it wasn't my intention and I thought I'd be able to edit it better than I managed at the time (but I'll come to this too). What this thread is - this thread is an extension of my own personal right to resign my moderatorship and nothing else. Nobody else within N-Europe has either sanctioned this or its approach nor should they be held to account due to my actions regardless of what arguments are made. I will stick to and enforce this steadfastly whilst I still have the power to do so. What this thread isn't - a thread regarding my, or anyone's, right to a presence on the forums in place of modship. Sacrificing my modship does not mean I will abandon these forums as a member. I will continue, until informed otherwise by those who have the say, to exist as a member of this community and these forums. I will continue as a member of these forums, and most likely still express similar views where I can, albeit not from a moderator PoV. Having said this, I am more than happy to have my conduct both as a member, and as a moderator, freely questioned without judgement on those passing it within this thread. I can't guarantee outcomes of any of this, but I will do my best to take everything on board. This includes feedback from other moderators/admins if they wish to contribute; but these are views of these members are members and nothing else. It is no indication of 'official' positions etc. Ofc, if anyone wishes to try and captialised in any sort of percieved division if a criticism comes from a fellow staff member - people are free to do so. I will say resolutely I have very high faith in all of the admin, moderation, and writing staff of the forum. If I did not I would not feel resolute enough to suggest or post this thread. Why is this thread - I've always seen problems with this community and in particular this sub-forum. I get frustrated trying to strike a balnace between making the community friendly, welcoming and hospitable for all that they stick around; as well as not acting too harshly in my moderation as to dissuade people from posting. Some members may consider other certain members problematic - but it's a fact that more often than not the views being held and expressed are perfectly valid but the manner in which that expression is conducted is not necessarily always so, imo. What if you want to say something, but not publicly? - I'm considering this, and probably an anonymous poll as a final result of this, with the ability for those members who wish to put their names publicly to any views they hold in addition. If you wish to comment on the matter, outside of here, please feel free to get in touch with me or another member of staff via PM(again apologies to colleagues I've unexpectedly burdened :p). I am NOT seeking to shut down or stifle any discussion, but I recognise also that some do not wish to necessarily get involved in such public drama etc. where their name will be attached. But what does this all MEAN? - I can't actually be 100% sure or honest yet. Basically(as seen below in original post) - I get tired trying to moderate and being told it's just me, nobody cares, I'm wrong etcetc. Particularly of note is that I actually feel I'm quite liberal and avoidant of moving too quickly towards punishments such as bans or official warnings. I am not looking to exclude any members from this community if they have productive contributions or points to make or, but I am not keen if I feel them being made in unproductive ways. Depending on the outcome I may become more decisive/harsh in my moderation actions - but I will aim to ensure this isn't just giving me some limitless power to act indiscriminately. As I have always offered - a continuing path of resolution through PMs or public visitor messages will be available(I'm not seeking to act behind any closed doors). I think, in fact, that transparency in my actions are of the best benefit to the forum; hence this topic! But what about you, Rummy? - Good question. My actual response separate from outlining the nature of this thread is going to be made in a post I'll link this comment to as soon as I've made it as a response post to the things I wish to. Please be mindful if just reading the reason for the numerous preceding posts is because this started in another topic and splits preserve times of posting etc. - actual response is this post here now So wait, WHAT is this thread about again? - Ah. Basically are you guys happy with me being a mod, trying to mod, and continuing to do so? Judging on this or past performances? I just do it cos the place is close to my heart, and I've still got strangely high/big hopes for the place. I want the community nice for that though, so I maybe moderate to a level people think is unnecessary. If you agree, or disagree, let it be known! If I continue I do it for here, if I stop, I stop for here too. What sort of mod truly wants to mod where its not seen to be needed by the moderated?? -------------------------------------- OP - with quotes and clicks for following back as needed. I had to draw a line somewhere and started with this. Now I've already given you the wiggle room in my original response - but I'll make it clear again. It's probably just your phrasing and not an intent; but I'll take the opportunity to explain to you (unrelated to moderation, I actually agreed with the sentiment of your post). You have posted a question, and within less than 6 hours - responded to a member who has legitimately answered that question by literally stating 'I don't care'. If you did not, or do not, care, then why post the question in the first place for any reason other than to bait or troll? To re-iterate - I am not claiming this is your intent but I highlighted this so that you can hopefully see how it can logically appear. If you reversed the positions, how would you feel? Shall I ask you questions all the the time and then dismiss any response you make with 'I don't care'? What positive discussion does that foster, regardless of intent? So, and to remind you I'm only advising you, consider your conduct and how it can be perceived. Next up - and I'm not sure why this seems to keep coming up as a point; So? Does it matter what YOU think regarding this? Yes, that is a very personal approach to start out that argument; but I think you struggle to see this from points of view other than your own, personal, one - and I will expand on why I've made my point like this. The population from which you draw to think you have not asked - nor is it necessarily their place or desire to openly complain or express that view. Why? Because they are here as members and not moderators (of which groups I belong to both, and have to strike a balance in the moderation aspect) - but the idea of moderators is that they are relied upon by the community to police and ensure it is as they expect and take action on their behalf, in order to ensure a good community that fosters productive discussion - at at least that is what I presume the majority of our members are here for. Take into account discussions had with us in private, by a variety of users, and that that avenue is always open to any member of the forum. Naturally I realise that my posts as a moderator disrupt the flow of a thread or conversation - which is why I usually tend to encourage further discussion of points either via PM, or those wishing to have a public audience or public matter of record, upon my visitor wall. Given this, can I ask that when it's obviously something I'm bringing up regarding conduct rather than the topic at hand - that we please try to pursue the above methods of communicating in response rather than adding it to the thread at hand in what has long already been at times, in my opinion, a rocky community for encouraging some to stick around. ________________________________________________________________ If you, or anyone else here, has a real major problem with my recent posts and intent to moderate - I'm going to give an option of deselecting me as a moderator. This is setting no precedent, nobody else within the N-E staffing are to be held account to the the same process in future, as this is an extension of my choice to 'resign' as a moderator. I'm literally doing this right here right now on this spot, having asked nobody else; so here it is: If you or anyone else has an issue with me remaining as a moderator of this forum or my moderation approach(past and very recent present, as I acknowledge a long period of quietness and absences) or even merely discuss this point openly then I'll give full reign for a topic to be posted within the week, quoting this latter section, seeking the democracy of the Nintendo sub-forum and its members. I've long been tired of trying to moderate and being told 'nobody else' or 'only you' in response and unwittingly inciting and inflaming petty battles due to underlying tensions - so if you feel or anyone is confident to do so then please post a thread with Nintendo sub-forum about my moderatorship and enquiring as to whether other members are happy to have me moderate and my interventions. Please quote this bolded and 'embiggened' text in doing so, so that other mods are aware of my proposal and the legitimacy of the thread.

Haha, ive given up even pretending I have a 'back log' now because I know I simply just will not get to it. I do think you'll probably enjoy this though - even if I critiques the games individually for my taste, I can't deny they certainly fit very nicely into a 'for fun' category. There's an enjoyable mindlessness to Burnout similar to what some other games offer - the sort of thing you can kinda just play but not get too bothered about or hung up on, or at least that's how I feel about it. Were this B3 or Revenge I'd maybe be on it for 30, but as it is Paradise was good but not the best. I honestly do think I'm on the fence with it though - if there's enough ps4 players here on on the regular it's gonna be a big temptation for me(not until April though).

I enjoyed Revenge, and Paradise but less so by each iteration. I really really missed the chatoic fun of traffic check from 3 in subsequent games, and whilst Revenge had the excellent iirc chaos/crash mode(later free form in paradise) I felt the games loved a bit more towards a Need for Speed sort of feel. Burnout for me is only minimally about racing - the really cherries it offers is it's ridiculous OTTness instead. Great twist on an old genre. As a result I won't get this til it's 30-20 or less, just cos whilst I definitely will enjoy it and get playtime I'm not sure it's retail level for me. Ofc, that may very well change depending on the online chuckles of folks here given the install base we have of folks on ps4.

Funnily enough, my phone autocorrected the word 'facetiously' yet considering your response has requoted the incorrect word I must wonder whether you've actually just rather well but unintentionally illustrated my point perfectly. I want them to get it right as well; the problem I see is that the more I look at this - from the most likely points of view - I can only see notable trouble. In the grand scheme of things in a business sense it won't kill them, but it's not going to necessarily do any further favours for their brand amongst certain groups.

Have you ever played any of the Burnout games? I got into it a bit from Burnout 3, then Revenge, then this. Didn't rate this quite as highly though it was something new and still quite enjoyable. I'll probably jump in at a lower price later in the year though.

I did wonder if they'd do a Switch version - sure if this was a ps360 title it'd be easily portable for Switch? Or not? Any official words etc?

Apologies if the capitals offended you @Ronnie, as stated in the post I was cutting together many little bits and for that one I used capitals in place of bold because it wasn't bolding properly. My point with it not being usual is - and I think you willfully choose to ignore this - is it hasn't been done anything like Xbox or PSN's online. Where else has given an undefined limited free trial that has gone on for this long with such little detail about the service both at the outset/inception and still uncertainty so now(also highlighted by Goron's point of shifting estimates for delivery of said service). As for the rest of it you come across wilfully factitious for the sake of arguing and cherry picking points to take an argument in another direction because it seems you struggle to argue reasonably and rationally against the points(made also and probably best by Julius Caesar in the last few pages). I see little point responding to most of those points because it seems a fruitless excercise; I don't think you're truly here to discuss and grow in sensible debates, rather to argue to the death Nintendo's faultlessness. In addition, nobody has answered my question yet - is the messaging being pushed through the actual switch console and system, and if not why not? Surely that is the most important and sensible avenue for it? Are they doing it? It has notifications no, is it regularly notifying users of the changes coming?

When I saw you were calling me on my shit I thought that was gonna be a decent dressing down on things I missed It's such a shame cos I want this thing for the price sorta tho probs lower but I too, kinda like the ones who argued about reward for loyalty, am just too burned by them. I don't believe I'm feeling entitled - as I happily pay for a service on an alternate system which I feel is value for money. If I'm not entitled there why would I be entitled here? It's simply just what's being offered and whether it is value for money for me. The problem is these relationships are so very rarely linear it can be difficult to think about - but the less appealing it is the more damage I believe it'll do in a sort of exponential decay sort of way. I still think on absolute numbers the Switch will do well but on relative comparisons it really will not look as good.

'Will' is the future, and as you yourself have already acknowledged - Nintendo are being rather ambiguous in places which gives them great wiggle room. You cannot claim their ambiguity and certainty at the same time, surely? If it's pointless assessing the value before we know the details then why should any of us who are on the fence invest in a Switch? You do realise the actual contradictions to your own points that you're making that actually support those suggesting this is a bad business decision for them? You speak about to YOU which is, as has been said by quite a few, completely valid. Yet what about the people who AREN'T you? You can talk about them circulating information - do you really and truly believe every single Switch user or parent of a juvenile Switch user out there is aware of that information? I don't own a Switch myself - are they splashing this information up upon the Switch systems themselves? That's really the most appropriate place to be doing so if they haven't already, and if they are they should be CLEAR about it; not ambiguous. (forgive me for split messages, it isn't easy getting these written and edited together atm) You say they've been messaging it clearly - so why doesn't my mate know? Does he know about free trials otherwise? Yes he does - but they're really clear at the point of signup and this guy is no damn idiot(though thank you for trying to attack him personally and paint him as such) - I already explained his expertise to you. He's very aware of software, licensing etc - yet the way Nintendo have presented this HAS NOT BEEN THE USUAL APPROACH AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. Don't bury your head in the sand - recognise their faults and think about what or why it is bad, recognise not everyone is you. Where did you find out about the fact it was a trial Ronnie? When did you buy your Switch? Did the system itself or its documentation tell you? I'm not asking my questions to be facetious either btw, I genuinely am asking because I want to know. I didn't quote Australian figures because I didn't have them to go on, nor would I use them in comparison to the current Euro approximation(which at current exchange is actually far closer to £17 than £12, let alone economic uncertainty with Brexit) - you're very fine to paint your figures to massage your points; but you seem to find it so difficult to be objective. Why present a self-estimate figure such as £12 as a fact, without even giving that disclaimer? Tell me how you feel when you go to the shop tomorrow and find everything to actually be 40% more expensive than you anticipate (in fact I've just seen Ike even do an AUS conversion coming in at £17 too which surely moots that silly argument as well?) 'That's all we have to go on at the moment' btw is exactly my point - it's ridiculous this system, a product, a retail item has been out for 18 months and we still don't actually know everything about what it's going to be. That's good business sense? That's good for Nintendo? That's beneficial? You genuinely believe it's good for them? Also there's a really big difference between charging for a service at the point of inception, and later introducing a charge retrospectively. I suspect you'll argue to say it isn't retrospective - but it is because it was not actually defined from the outset. Even still right now, at this moment in time, you can not tell me the entirety of this service and/or what it will entail. That means it surely will be retrospective, no? Actually gonna leave it there and catch up on the thread a bit more before further responses; didn't see how far back behind I was when I started.

Please have some regard for yourself dazzy, I know you're not and I'm not looking to come down on this - but you HAVE to surely see how easily this is justification for a trolling/flamebaiting accusation when two such polar opposite statements are posted not that many hours apart. Don't get me wrong though - I agree with you it WOULD be stupid business sense to split the service into two halves, but it's ALSO imo stupid business sense to suddenly charge for a free service halfway through that I am pretty much 100% confident will get complaints from consumers who will say they did not realise this was going to happen and why did the game they could play for free yesterday suddenly become not free etcetc. I can't say I've got a sensible middle ground solution between both of these stupid ideas either. Your whole post was great but I wanted to respond to this. A few months back I was at my mate's who has a Switch and we played a bit, then I came into the conversation of why I didn't want one before knowing about online etcetc. I explained the issues I perceived with a variety of their previous implementations of online - but when I said that one day he'll have to pay to play online for Splatoon I think he genuinely thought I was a fucking idiot because to his mind that idea was so ridiculous. This isn't a child or an ignorant parent btw, this is a grown man who's very good with his tech, almost lifelong gamer (especially Nintendo), and does more networking and tech shit than I'll ever do. I haven't brought the point up again since (at the time the website was still ambiguous) but I'll wait until it occurs and see what he thinks then. For me though, I am so burnt by their previous online implementations that until I have a thorough and solid understanding of it, I cannot commit to the cost of the console at RRP. A good deal may yet tempt me (as I'll translate savings into online and accessories probably) and I do really want the system - but I just cannot commit. I think we may see a drop in the rate of sales of Switch (though it will still continue to sell positively) once the online service launches fully. I just hope for Nintendo's sake it isn't anything that hits them too hard, because the Switch has a lot of interesting potential and things going for it compared to the WiiU. From where did you find the £12 figure? And can I ask what you will do if it's £12.01? or £13? £15? £20? Afaik there is no current information for the price in £, have you extrapolated from currency exchange and assumed it'll work like that? I think history has shown Nintendo do not particularly tend to take that approach.

Just wanted to say thanks for this, I keep pulling up the forum and coming back to these pics as quick guides now lol. Trying to figure out what's what for bounties etc. Gamewise I'm still low level yet somehow never get bored at all. I think I'm HR8 atm and just did a quick hunt on the Leggy with my mate in Japan yesterday(I love her and she's amazing but a total MH nerd so Japan sucks for gaming together) and Psychick and my mates mate over here - multiplayer with a real squad is fucking fun! Admittedly a wee bit easier but goddamn that's what's so lovely! Ripping the ever living shit out of a monster within minutes that'd take you about half hour otherwise - belissimo! The game's breadth is overwhelming at times, but also kinda reassuring - how wrong can you go when there's so many potentially 'right' options? Now I'm a bit more familiar I've been utilising the SOS function on the boards a bit more to randomly help folks and get a bit more(literal) experience. I also figured the Glaive out a bit better(I'm an absolute fucking idiot) and managing to hit my triple buffs within about 5 hits of a familiar monster on each encounter now. A few are a bit tricky and I get doubles then need to work for the third - but fuck me it's like having a whole new weapon now I've figured that shit out. I'm not very good with accuracy/actually hitting the monster, and I really need to move off the bone tree(see above for not progressing enough and not getting the right mats) cos the sharpness disadvantage really sucks for some monsters. But yeah. Basically this game somehow seems to both keep my interest and also keeps getting better too.

A response I never expected to see, as I absolutely loved it(!!), but valid. What was it particularly that you didn't like, if anything? I do feel it's very different to the other MCU films(tho in itself and its nature very comicbook marvel given that) but that's also what makes it so great for me. It's a really good film by itself imo, I'm not sure if the tie to Marvel does or undoes it due to preconceptions though. I'm actually gonna take a mate and go see it again on Tuesday(but I do pay for a cineworld card so maybe I wouldn't otherwise) and I'm sposed to be going NYC in a few weeks - my cousins are grown but younger than me and I'm gonna take them too if they haven't seen it by time I'm there Ofc, like anything I realise it's not for every one, but this film....I really fucking loved. I thought I'd spent most of my life just waiting for a Spider-Man film, but maybe I was actually waiting for this.

Weirdly even though I don't think I've ever held one of the things I do get the impression it's got classic Gameboy/GameCube style solid feeling build. He's the oldest of a few so I'll probably deffo avoid 3ds just cos the younger kids will inevitably play etc; given that I'll probs also suggest going with an original 2DS model for now given the sturdiness as you say!

Yeah I'm torn between suggesting original 2ds or the 'new' 2ds xl cos of its better clamshell design. Think my mate said it's just he played a bit of Mario and Sonic on iPad or so, seems interested and wants his own thing; so why not. Seems mobile is a good gateway for them in places, tho also excited this kid seems to be starting his gaming journey out with some choice and going for Nintendo! Birthday isn't til the 25th so I'm still taking any more advice, even if it's more of the same!

An old mate of mine just messaged for some Nintendo advice(remembering me to be the awesome Nintendo cool kid that I once was ) - and he's probably just as confused as I suddenly realised I am about it all! Then I thought; we're all gamers here. Many of us have been for a long while. Many less of us, tho a notable few of us, are also parents too! Who better to ask advice from than not only my informed gamer friends, but informed gamer parent/uncle/aunt/cousin friends! So...anyone got any advice on the best shout from the 3ds family for a 6 year old's birthday?

Do eeet. It isn't like other Marvel films. I really wanna see it again lol, I'm sure I'm overhyping it in my memory. Great little summary review there btw @Sméagol you've hit on a lot of points I think really made it for me, too.

I haven't found the gall to commit myself to this again yet, may well be on this eve though. Running basic/story stuff mostly(still haven't learnt trapping) tho suddenly I think I'm realising I had a dream I went MHing with friends. And I started thinking about those flashpods mentioned and we didn't have any. Sometimes I wonder if MH is witchcraft.

Came up over in General too and a few folks there got talking - what about an SR1/2/etc port to Switch? Personally I only started at SR2 but that could be a weirdly nice little port that may well find an audience on Switch.

Had a quick look as I was popping in to get my petrol voucher after work; fuckers have it at £8 on ps4! Stood there wondering why for a while and trying to check price online when I saw it's less on XBone, damn console being crap and getting even sillier bargains than us (on a srs note I'd have bought it and may do soon, but basically didn't today for exactly same reason as you - far too much MH and OW to be had)

I got deBlob 2 on 360 after Marcamillian but me onto the original and I thought it was quite fun/somewhat fresh. Think they're playing cautious with a remaster of just 1, which also will probably affect its own success(why not do a bundle of 1+2?), but I think it's a good shout for Switch.

Watch it as background occasionally but I find it a bit grinding. Not sure if it's Dara(who I love otherwise), the overly forced humour on occasion, the OTT setup sometimes, or not being a fan of the way it's kinda competing, but I'd take Taskmaster over this most days Having said that did catch a cracking episode with Greg Wallace and Jodie Kidd t'other eve, Greg Wallace was more nerdy and amusing that I expected him too be! As was she!

Saw you mention in general you just picked this up bargain @Hero-of-Time? Let me know how you find it! Did anyone else here ever get on it at all?