Wii U General Discussion

[Grazza]

I dont know what it is but ive always struggled to have Zelda games keep my interest, 3D ones especially. I've only ever completed A Link Between Worlds and to be fair, I did really enjoy it.

 

As much as I like most Zeldas, that one actually does have a superb pace. It's a really, really well-made game.

[Wii]

 

 

Also, we will be implementing what we call a “pre-download” system with “Super Smash Bros. for Wii U” that will be released at the end of this year.

 

The “pre-download” system is a system in which consumers who have purchased the game before its release can download most of the game content in advance. Using this system, consumers will not have to wait for a long time to download the game after its release. They will then be able to start playing the game by only downloading a requisite minimum amount of update data.

 

In addition to the automatic distribution system at the time of purchase, which I have just explained, the “pre-download” system will be available with download cards sold at stores as well, by entering the download code at Nintendo e-Shop in advance.

 

Consumers will not be required to save the download card until the release of the game if they enter the download code on the day of purchase.

 

This system will be implemented on Wii U first, and is planned for Nintendo 3DS next year.

 

As I have mentioned today, we are working on various approaches to make the digital business more user-friendly by providing a variety of payment methods, expanding distribution channels and enhancing consumer convenience.

 

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/141030/05.html

 

The first game they plan to do this with is Super Smash Bros. Wii U. That's a convenient feature for those that buy digital. I believe the competition already have this implemented.

[khilafah]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/141030/05.html

 

The first game they plan to do this with is Super Smash Bros. Wii U. That's a convenient feature for those that buy digital. I believe the competition already have this implemented.

 

Great that Nintendo are keeping up with the competition. Just a shame I won't be using this feature on Wii U due to the pathetic flash memory avaliable. Think I only have about 3GB left.

 

I am not buying an external drive before anyone recommends that.

[Wii]

Great that Nintendo are keeping up with the competition. Just a shame I won't be using this feature on Wii U due to the pathetic flash memory avaliable. Think I only have about 3GB left.

 

I am not buying an external drive before anyone recommends that.

 

I agree, it's a pitiful amount of memory. They cut huge corners with things like that and a terrible gamepad battery. The Wii U is only $50 cheaper than the Xbox1 this Christmas in the States but when you have to buy a hard drive, that difference is more than wiped out not to mention another appliance sucking electricity. It's like the 3DS coming without a charger, it makes it look cheaper than it actually is.

 

I have wondered if Nintendo did this purposely. In years to come, when the servers are shut and your hard drive packs it in, and there's no access to downloading the game or patches will we be forced to buy these games again on future VC's? There are games on VC which I've never purchased because I have them still on the SNES for example. That's a potential sale lost but if a game is broken without a patch or can't be redownloaded then you may be forced to repurchase it. Anyway that's just speculation, who knows what it'll be like in 20 years time. Will we still be around, will Nintendo be around, will we still be gaming? They might have sorted a brilliant account system by then.

[Dcubed]

Pre-loading is good news. Especially with Smash Bros, that game is gonna be huge in terms of file size no doubt (at least 437 songs in uncompressed LPCM 5.1, 1080p FMV video files in full blu-ray quality, massive amounts of art assets etc).

 

I would complain about it being late, but at least it's here now.

[Serebii]

I agree, it's a pitiful amount of memory. They cut huge corners with things like that and a terrible gamepad battery. The Wii U is only $50 cheaper than the Xbox1 this Christmas in the States but when you have to buy a hard drive, that difference is more than wiped out not to mention another appliance sucking electricity. It's like the 3DS coming without a charger, it makes it look cheaper than it actually is.

 

I have wondered if Nintendo did this purposely. In years to come, when the servers are shut and your hard drive packs it in, and there's no access to downloading the game or patches will we be forced to buy these games again on future VC's? There are games on VC which I've never purchased because I have them still on the SNES for example. That's a potential sale lost but if a game is broken without a patch or can't be redownloaded then you may be forced to repurchase it. Anyway that's just speculation, who knows what it'll be like in 20 years time. Will we still be around, will Nintendo be around, will we still be gaming? They might have sorted a brilliant account system by then.

Nintendo did it intentionally, yes, but not for the conspiracy theory you believe.

 

Hard drives are weird. As time progresses, smaller sizes become more costly to make. As such, new SKUs would have to be made with larger hard drives in order to maintain the price status-quo. That's why there were many different SKUs for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 during the life of the consoles.

 

By going with flash memory, they don't have to continually refresh their SKUs with new hard drives to keep the same cost, rather the cost will just go down getting (more) profit and allowing for price cuts. As it's expandable with external hard drives, which are relatively cheap, it's more logical to do this, plus users don't have to a) buy proprietary hard drives or b) dismantle their console to expand it

[Dcubed]

Nintendo did it intentionally, yes, but not for the conspiracy theory you believe.

 

Hard drives are weird. As time progresses, smaller sizes become more costly to make. As such, new SKUs would have to be made with larger hard drives in order to maintain the price status-quo. That's why there were many different SKUs for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 during the life of the consoles.

 

By going with flash memory, they don't have to continually refresh their SKUs with new hard drives to keep the same cost, rather the cost will just go down getting (more) profit and allowing for price cuts. As it's expandable with external hard drives, which are relatively cheap, it's more logical to do this, plus users don't have to a) buy proprietary hard drives or b) dismantle their console to expand it

 

Very true. Hard drives effectively come at a fixed cost to console manufacturers and never get cheaper over time.

 

Nintendo's method is much more user friendly (if a little ugly looking and surprisingly more power user friendly than what you'd expect off them) and significantly cuts the manufacturing cost of the console (which of course makes the console cheaper at retail).

 

Much like with the Gamepad battery, it was intentionally left smaller than the battery compartment had space for because they wanted to keep the weight of the Gamepad below 500g for ergonomic reasons. Leaving the space open though offer people a choice if they want to sacrifice lightness for a longer battery life.

[Sheikah]

It would be more user friendly to include a 500GB hard drive like the other consoles - that way nobody has to faff around with anything. You can argue it's more profitable for them, but not more user friendly.

[Wii]

Nintendo did it intentionally, yes, but not for the conspiracy theory you believe.

 

Hard drives are weird. As time progresses, smaller sizes become more costly to make. As such, new SKUs would have to be made with larger hard drives in order to maintain the price status-quo. That's why there were many different SKUs for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 during the life of the consoles.

 

By going with flash memory, they don't have to continually refresh their SKUs with new hard drives to keep the same cost, rather the cost will just go down getting (more) profit and allowing for price cuts. As it's expandable with external hard drives, which are relatively cheap, it's more logical to do this, plus users don't have to a) buy proprietary hard drives or b) dismantle their console to expand it

 

Let's deal with just this bit. They are not relatively cheap. It also has to be dedicated to just the Wii U, you can't use the hard drive for other devices.

 

(A.)Buy a proprietary hard drive? You must be kidding? You can't even find a Wii U Pro controller in the shops. Will we ever see gamepads for sale in shops? Could you imagine the shipping costs Nintendo would pay(weight) for hard drives? They'd enough on their plate without that extra burden and non proprietary would be cheaper.

 

(B.)Why would you need to dismantle your console? Put enough there in the first place. Yes, eventually you may have to buy a hard drive. 32GB's though is shambolic, it's possible to fill that with 2 downloaded games. In fact, it's possible to not have enough room after 1 game. That's not right.

 

Much like with the Gamepad battery, it was intentionally left smaller than the battery compartment had space for because they wanted to keep the weight of the Gamepad below 500g for ergonomic reasons. Leaving the space open though offer people a choice if they want to sacrifice lightness for a longer battery life.

 

It was for no other reason than money. It's always about the money. They had the larger battery available near straight away and conveniently fit the void around the original perfectly and costs a pretty penny. If it was about ergonomics they probably wouldn't have made the gamepad.

 

I think I've said it before but because of their crappy memory I sold my free game download that came with MK8. If it was a decent hard drive I'd have tonnes more digital games. Every time there's an indie game I might like, my very first thought is what size is it?

 

http://www.n-europe.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1689900&postcount=1078

 

Never did buy it because of that reason. €3 was nothing, absolutely nothing, it was a nailed on bargain! 1GB+ made my decision.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Wii
Automerged Doublepost

[Dcubed]

The expanded battery does increase the weight of the Gamepad significantly and they clearly stated in the Wii U hardware Iwata Asks that they had a specific goal in mind to keep the weight of the Gamepad below 500 grams.

 

Incidentally, that's also why it lacks analog triggers.

[Wii]

The expanded battery does increase the weight of the Gamepad significantly and they clearly stated in the Wii U hardware Iwata Asks that they had a specific goal in mind to keep the weight of the Gamepad below 500 grams.

 

Incidentally, that's also why it lacks analog triggers.

 

I know it makes heavier. I don't believe their reasoning behind it. They tell fibs all the time. I think what Iwata said in the latest quarters results about why the New 3DS isn't coming out this year in Europe/U.S. is a lie.

[Serebii]

Let's deal with just this bit. They are not relatively cheap. It also has to be dedicated to just the Wii U, you can't use the hard drive for other devices.

 

(A.)Buy a proprietary hard drive? You must be kidding? You can't even find a Wii U Pro controller in the shops. Will we ever see gamepads for sale in shops? Could you imagine the shipping costs Nintendo would pay(weight) for hard drives? They'd enough on their plate without that extra burden and non proprietary would be cheaper.

 

(B.)Why would you need to dismantle your console? Put enough there in the first place. Yes, eventually you may have to buy a hard drive. 32GB's though is shambolic, it's possible to fill that with 2 downloaded games. In fact, it's possible to not have enough room after 1 game. That's not right.

 

 

1. It is relatively cheap. I got my 2TB for £50.

 

a) I was referring to the Xbox 360 where you either had to buy a specialised one, or modify it to include a new one. You're now comparing controllers to hard drives? What? That's ridiculous and completely deviates from the point I was making.

 

b) 2 Downloaded games? I had 4 on mine before I needed to grab an extra hard drive, plus loads of Virtual Console titles and huge third party patches. Second, the reference to dismantling was in reference to replacing the hard drive in the PS3/PS4 in order to replace it with a larger version.

 

Please fact check and try to understand the actual topic of conversation before responding next time. Thanks

 

I know it makes heavier. I don't believe their reasoning behind it. They tell fibs all the time. I think what Iwata said in the latest quarters results about why the New 3DS isn't coming out this year in Europe/U.S. is a lie.

I doubt it's a lie. You may not agree with it being a good reason, but it's not likely a lie. You seem to mistake the "I don't like this reason" with "it's a lie".

[Dcubed]

I know it makes heavier. I don't believe their reasoning behind it. They tell fibs all the time. I think what Iwata said in the latest quarters results about why the New 3DS isn't coming out this year in Europe/U.S. is a lie.

 

Bearing in mind that what you're suggesting is completely illegal, let's take a look at what he actually said...

 

The overseas markets are different from the Japanese market in both their stages of popularization of Nintendo 3DS and their market characteristics.

The stage of popularization of Nintendo 3DS means the degree to which we have turned potential purchasing power into actual sales of the product in a market. In Japan, the total number of sales of Nintendo 3DS has reached nearly 17 million in the three and a half years since its launch. It is almost the same as the lifetime sales of GameBoy Advance released in 2001, which implies that it is reasonable that the sales of Nintendo 3DS have been temporarily slow moving in the Japanese market. This is one of the reasons we needed to bring New Nintendo 3DS/3DS XL to the market this year. To the contrary, neither of the cumulative sales figures of Nintendo 3DS in the U.S. nor Europe is more than that in Japan despite, based on the historical performance, bigger sales potential. In short, Nintendo 3DS is still at an earlier stage of popularization in these two markets.

 

Here he is saying that the 3DS hasn't sold as well in the west as it has in Japan and that it is at an earlier stage of its popularization lifecycle. There's nothing controversial about that and it's completely right - it has indeed not sold as well yet and has a ways to go before it catches up to its Japanese sales.

 

Incidentally, it is also the reason why there is still so much hardware sitting on store shelves that they need to sell through before they can start selling the New3DS to retailers. Australia is in a unique situation however because they have actually sold through all of the region's allocated stock (indeed, they stopped selling the original model 3DS altogether around a year ago - you can't buy anything other than 2DS and 3DSxl consoles there now), selling at a faster pace relative to the market size in comparison to US/EU. As such, it's at a later stage in its lifecycle there than it it in US/EU.

 

Just for reference, the same thing happened with the DSi as well. It was released in Japan 6 months before it was released in the rest of the world (Australia just happens to be a weird exception this time).

 

There's nothing more to say here. There's no lie being perpetrated, you're just reading your own thoughts into what he's saying.

[dazzybee]

Why does it say download most of it? Why not ALL of it?

[Cube]

Why does it say download most of it? Why not ALL of it?

 

Because the last part is what stops you from playing it until release.

[dazzybee]

Because the last part is what stops you from playing it until release.

 

I guess i hope the last part is an instant download. Looking forward to trying it out. More looking forward to the online shop though and getting it to download to the machine.

[Wii]

1. It is relatively cheap. I got my 2TB for £50.

 

a) I was referring to the Xbox 360 where you either had to buy a specialised one, or modify it to include a new one. You're now comparing controllers to hard drives? What? That's ridiculous and completely deviates from the point I was making.

 

b) 2 Downloaded games? I had 4 on mine before I needed to grab an extra hard drive, plus loads of Virtual Console titles and huge third party patches. Second, the reference to dismantling was in reference to replacing the hard drive in the PS3/PS4 in order to replace it with a larger version.

 

Please fact check and try to understand the actual topic of conversation before responding next time. Thanks

 

 

I doubt it's a lie. You may not agree with it being a good reason, but it's not likely a lie. You seem to mistake the "I don't like this reason" with "it's a lie".

 

Relative to what? A banana? Link, brand please? That is not the norm for a reputable 2TB drive. Certainly not here in Ireland

 

Please fact check and try to understand the actual topic of conversation before responding next time. Thanks

 

That's rich coming from you, the "King of facts with no source".

 

a. Cop on would you? I'm not comparing controllers to hard drives. It's hard enough finding a Wii U Pro controller or other Wii U accessories nevermind a fictional hard drive. Here's another one, Nintendo's best solution to Smash Bros. Wii U online lag? Buy a Wii LAN adapter. Right, because they're readily available everywhere. No they're not!

 

b. I said it's "possible". I don't care what you have on your memory. It's possible to have 100's of VC games and it's possible to have 1 digital retail game and not have enough room for another game.

 

Take your own advice:

 

"Please fact check and try to understand the actual topic of conversation before responding next time. Thanks :)"

 

I've also noted that you throw out your insults followed by a smilie as if somehow that makes them acceptable.

 

Edit: And I'm done now but last point. Nintendo have never lied to us? Right. Of course they have, they do it all the time. You have to protect the brand and think of things like shareholders and stock price. They're not going to purposely damage themselves at least. They do a good enough job of that regardless.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Wii

[Fierce_LiNk]

In this thread, Wii is butt-hurt about living in Ireland.

 

Move across the water, brah. We get everything here. Do u even S4C, brah?

[Wii]

In this thread, Wii is butt-hurt about living in Ireland.

 

Move across the water, brah. We get everything here. Do u even S4C, brah?

 

We do have it pretty rough. But honestly do you see Wii LAN adapters anywhere these days in the shops or Wii U accessories?

 

S4C? God is that a good or a bad thing? I had it on Sky. Switched to UPC, so no more. Have you ever seen TG4? It's our equivalent but it's better.

[Fierce_LiNk]

We do have it pretty rough. But honestly do you see Wii LAN adapters anywhere these days in the shops or Wii U accessories?

 

S4C? God is that a good or a bad thing? I had it on Sky. Switched to UPC, so no more. Have you ever seen TG4? It's our equivalent but it's better.

 

Tbh, it's quite difficult to find specific accessories like this in stores these days. Another reason for this is the demise of the high street; there are very few gaming outlets out there unless you happen to live in particular areas. As far as I know, we don't have any independent gaming stores here and we only have the one GAME. Supermarkets will occasionally stock Wii/WiiU games, but not so much the accessories like LAN adapters. You'd have to go online for that sorta stuff and I do most of my buying online these days. I don't know how difficult it is for things to get transported to Ireland...is it really that bad? What about the likes of Amazon or ShopTo? They must ship there, surely?

 

I've never seen TG4 but S4C is the greatest (lol, it isn't really, it's pretty shit). Used to enjoy watching the Rugby on it, dat accent.

[Cube]

We do have it pretty rough. But honestly do you see Wii LAN adapters anywhere these days in the shops or Wii U accessories.

 

Nintendo hasn't sold the Wii LAN Adaptor for a while.

 

But that doesn't matter as the Wii/Wii U uses a fairly common kind of LAN adaptor, so there are plenty of alternatives, like this:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-UTL-U2-Converter-Ultrabook-Chromebook-Black/dp/B00NP1XOOK/

[Wii]

Tbh, it's quite difficult to find specific accessories like this in stores these days. Another reason for this is the demise of the high street; there are very few gaming outlets out there unless you happen to live in particular areas. As far as I know, we don't have any independent gaming stores here and we only have the one GAME. Supermarkets will occasionally stock Wii/WiiU games, but not so much the accessories like LAN adapters. You'd have to go online for that sorta stuff and I do most of my buying online these days. I don't know how difficult it is for things to get transported to Ireland...is it really that bad? What about the likes of Amazon or ShopTo? They must ship there, surely?

 

I've never seen TG4 but S4C is the greatest (lol, it isn't really, it's pretty shit). Used to enjoy watching the Rugby on it, dat accent.

 

Some sites do, some don't. Ye have free postage, generally it's £3 delivery for us. Larger items are much more expensive. A lot won't deliver anything electrical. I post bargains in the Wii U/3DS thread a bit and most of it is irrelevant to me as they won't post here. Like just now the Assassins Creed Blag Flag Skull Edition is back in stock at Tesco for £20. I'd like to get it but they won't deliver to Ireland. They've no Wii U stock instore anywhere here, never has been. Ye have it good.

 

http://www.tesco.com/direct/assassins-creed-black-flag-skull-edition-wii-u/480-7388.prd?skuId=480-7388&pageLevel=sku&_requestid=805957

[dazzybee]

Nintendo hasn't sold the Wii LAN Adaptor for a while.

 

But that doesn't matter as the Wii/Wii U uses a fairly common kind of LAN adaptor, so there are plenty of alternatives, like this:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-UTL-U2-Converter-Ultrabook-Chromebook-Black/dp/B00NP1XOOK/

 

So if I buy that, I can have a wired connection for my wii U?

[peterl0]

Nintendo hasn't sold the Wii LAN Adaptor for a while.

 

But that doesn't matter as the Wii/Wii U uses a fairly common kind of LAN adaptor, so there are plenty of alternatives, like this:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ORICO-UTL-U2-Converter-Ultrabook-Chromebook-Black/dp/B00NP1XOOK/

 

Yeah they do:

 

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/wii-u-accessories/wii-u-lan-adapter/10848336.html

[Cube]

So if I buy that, I can have a wired connection for my wii U?

 

That's what it says. Generally, if it's one of the ones what works with "some Android devices" then it's the same hardware as the Wii one.

 

Yeah they do:

 

http://store.nintendo.co.uk/wii-u-accessories/wii-u-lan-adapter/10848336.html

 

Ah. I checked the important stores and none of them had it.