Nintendohnut Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Also, while I agree that there is probably one mafia between those that didn't vote, the evidence against Zell was pretty watertight. Someone literally said "I guarantee that Zell killed last night". Any mafiosos who didn't vote are basically idiots. To be honest I thinks it's more worthwhile looking at who DID vote for Zell. His lynch was a good opportunity for mafiosos to look like they were voting for one of their own without condemning someone who might've survived the day. Incidentally, I wasn't online for pretty much any of the last day phase. Was incredibly busy at/with work, and my computer was briefly being fixed so getting online was a little more difficult. Not trying to make excusese, but it's not like I was posting all day before the information came out and then mysteriously stopped. I'm trying to make up for it now by posting more regularly, which is seemingly working because you described me as not exactly quiet
Mr-Paul Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Agree with Dohnut there. Evidence against Zell was so overwhelming they would've voted to appear good. We shouldn't clear ANYONE apart from Peeps from that lynch.
Nintendohnut Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Agree with Dohnut there. Evidence against Zell was so overwhelming they would've voted to appear good. We shouldn't clear ANYONE apart from Peeps from that lynch. Sooo...it's safe to assume that if there is a mafia among the non-voters then mr-paul is mafia :p
Mr-Paul Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Boo, I do only nice things!!! Still, despite all what has happened overnight, I still suspect jayseven the most. I am not trusting him just because he says I should and that he's trying to educate us all about the Wire and we should trust him because Marcamillian is so great at understanding what he's on about. Nothing he has said has convinced me he's town - TO GO ALL META ON YOU posting a big post of info analysing votes etc. doesn't necessarily mean you're good and being helpful - I've done it when mafia as well as when town, when under pressure and when just trying to gain trust, it's very easy to leave out a detail/subtlely twist something towards someone. For that reason, until I get more reason that I should trust you, I will Change vote: jayseven
jayseven Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 @mr\-paul Are you denying that it is beneficial to know the source material for a mafia? Who have you targetted so far, and what's your ability, again?
Cube Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 If someone has a triple vote I would purchase a hat and eat it. That seems way overpowered. I remember one game where the mafia had a triple vote. It was overpowered, but he did have to be careful who he voted for. Vote: Jimbob to show I don't have the double vote.
Mr-Paul Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 @mr\-paul Are you denying that it is beneficial to know the source material for a mafia? Who have you targetted so far' date=' and what's your ability, again?[/quote'] I'm not denying it's beneficial to know about the source material. I just don't think that you are doing anything useful apart from saying "me and marc clearly know more about the source material so we should be trusted." PLEASE, tell me, with your knowledge of the source material, why I should trust you like you think I should, and I will happily remove my vote, because right now, all I know is you're a roleblocker who has been targeting the Peeps, and didn't admit to it at the beginning of the day when it could have all been cleared up, instead it was left for us to work out, which makes you come across as more scummy. I have no reason to come out with my ability yet, it would only help the mafia. And your fishing for info about me makes me feel that you're just trying to deflect attention off yourself.
Marcamillian Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Seen Paul. Tryin pull infor outta write-up good way get heat off yo back. @uəʌəsʎɐɾ know more anyone, you on a hair trigger, firing accusations outta all wild up in here, you bound catch sumone ain in the game.
Sheikah Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Boo, I do only nice things!!! Still, despite all what has happened overnight, I still suspect jayseven the most. I am not trusting him just because he says I should and that he's trying to educate us all about the Wire and we should trust him because Marcamillian is so great at understanding what he's on about. Nothing he has said has convinced me he's town - TO GO ALL META ON YOU posting a big post of info analysing votes etc. doesn't necessarily mean you're good and being helpful - I've done it when mafia as well as when town, when under pressure and when just trying to gain trust, it's very easy to leave out a detail/subtlely twist something towards someone. For that reason, until I get more reason that I should trust you, I will Change vote: jayseven Well that clears things up. You are probably Mafia, and he is probably town/neutral.
Jonnas Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 mr-paul' date='[/url'] Are you denying that it is beneficial to know the source material for a mafia? Funny you should bring your knowledge of the show into this. Supergrunch and Rummy were also pretty knowledgeable about the show, and they were the first victims. 'Twas a pattern I noticed, but forgot when Herojan died, because I don't know how much he knew. But now you made me remember. Why, exactly, did they leave you and Marcamillian alone? Or ReZ? Maybe it was the same reason they left Zell alone.
jayseven Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 I'm not denying it's beneficial to know about the source material. I just don't think that you are doing anything useful apart from saying "me and marc clearly know more about the source material so we should be trusted." PLEASE, tell me, with your knowledge of the source material, why I should trust you like you think I should, and I will happily remove my vote, because right now, all I know is you're a roleblocker who has been targeting the Peeps, and didn't admit to it at the beginning of the day when it could have all been cleared up, instead it was left for us to work out, which makes you come across as more scummy. Look, you're doing a decent enough job at omitting things I've said and twisting my words that I don't really need to pander to your rhetoric, especially... I have no reason to come out with my ability yet, it would only help the mafia. And your fishing for info about me makes me feel that you're just trying to deflect attention off yourself. ... if you're going to have double standards. Of course I don't want us to waste the entire day on me so I will bring other options to the table. I'm a little surprised at the speed to which my suggestion to consider alternatives has been so rapidly shot down by yourself and Nintendohnut. Just as you say that my actions make me shady I too can formulate; you added a non-counted last-minute vote on Zell, and as Nintendohnut suggests we should be aware that mafia would jump on the lynch train for cover. I can suggest easily that you are on that train. You also refuse to reveal any information, which I can easily mark as Classic Mafia Tactic. So please, don't forget Classic Townie Tactics either. Well that clears things up. You are probably Mafia, and he is probably town/neutral. One thing I learnt from you winding me up in the previous game is that the people who choose to twist my words the most are the most shady. But now you made me remember. Why, exactly, did they leave you and Marcamillian alone? Or ReZ? Maybe it was the same reason they left Zell alone.I also had your thought. One kill a night would mean they'd not be able to get everyone at once, and I can guess that grunch, for his smarts, and rummy because without him the phone numbers would probably never have made sense (re: jump-the-5 code). I tend to survive longer in games because, as so exquisitly demonstrated in the previous pages, I tend to cause my own havoc. Presumably Marc has been too quiet for the maff's taste. Similarly, it could be logical to assume that folks with wire knowledge are split fairly between town and mafia, as best to avoid that one particular element shifting the balance.
Sheikah Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Relax Jay, I am saying I believe you and distrust Mr Paul.
jayseven Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 @Sheikah - again miscommunication on my part; I was agreeing with you, too :P To rephrase; "In the last game, I thought you were annoyingly misquoting me! After the game I realised you were mafia and that was your purpose. So in this game I am conscious of this behaviour, and I see it in mr-paul's last couple of posts."
Marcamillian Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 I ain speakin to it, all I says is .. to those investigators out there... don judge a book by how you read it. I show mafia but I ain no hoodlum.
The Peeps Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Jay, your playstyle is infuriating :p I find it very funny that you'd accuse mr-paul of double standards when to be honest, you're the one being hypocritical (unless I missed the joke). I asked you to give a relatively insignificant piece of information such as your name. You refused to give it which obviously you're entitled to do though it puts you in a bad light imo. I asked you to reveal knowing full well I'd revealed everything I could myself. mr-paul then questions you and lays a vote down and your response is for him to tell you his character and targets? What gives you the right to ask for that when you're completely refusing to do so yourself? Having said that... mr-paul's post did seem like he was trying to keep us focussed on you when it was clear we were going to move on. So I agree that he seems a bit scummy right now. Jonnas also brings up a good point about people with knowledge of the show getting killed off first. I would've expected the mafia to be a mix otherwise it would be a bit unfair, especially as it seems some knowledge of the show is definitely needed what with those codes and all. There's no way to know for sure though, maybe the mafia wanted us to think on those lines so they could get us to lynch the very people that would be of most help to us. Preliminary mafia list: ReZourceman Diageo jayseven/mr-paul (interchangeable) There's either 4 mafia with one double voter, or 5 of them to find.
Mr-Paul Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 I'm not going to bother responding to each and every single line of every post, because reading that always infuriates me. If you want to accuse me of being scummy for voting last minute on Zell, if you read back earlier in the day I wanted to vote for Zell but was giving the chance to reply by Zell in case he wasn't mafia, and in case anyone else had any other relevant info. Instead, people decided they would vote straight away, so I voted past the deadline, to show that I was in favour of the vote. I apologise for wanting to pursue the one lead that we had today, I'm sorry for thinking that roleblocking Peeps twice is scummy, Peeps may have decided that he didn't want to push it any further, but I didn't feel like we had enough closure on the issue. I understand the need to explore other things - that's what I wanted to do yesterday, but when it's looking like no-one else is going to come out with anything, am I really a bad person for continuing to look at what I felt was a still open issue? I too want to hear from those who are being inactive, but it doesn't seem likely. I'm leaving my vote where it is, but I won't be arguing any further.
Yvonne Posted October 12, 2012 Author Posted October 12, 2012 Day will continue until at least 22:00, further if there is more discussion. ReZourceman (2): Jonnas no lynch (1): uəʌəsʎɐɾ Jimbob (1): Cube uəʌəsʎɐɾ (1): mr-paul majority is 8 votes
Mr-Paul Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Are those vote counts right? If so, Jonnas is a double voter.
Yvonne Posted October 12, 2012 Author Posted October 12, 2012 ReZourceman (2): Jonnas no lynch (1): uəʌəsʎɐɾ Jimbob (1): Cube uəʌəsʎɐɾ (2): mr-paul, The Peeps majority is 8 votes
jayseven Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 To ensure we do actually make sure all avenues are considered; Two double voters: Jonnas, Supergrunch, Diageo, Zell, Jimbob One double voter: Jonnas, [/strike]Cube, Diageo It may be pertinent for Jimbob to lay a vote on someone who has no votes to see if it is he who is the other double voter, or if it's one of the deceased. I asked you to reveal knowing full well I'd revealed everything I could myself. mr-paul then questions you and lays a vote down and your response is for him to tell you his character and targets? What gives you the right to ask for that when you're completely refusing to do so yourself? Having said that... mr-paul's post did seem like he was trying to keep us focussed on you when it was clear we were going to move on. So I agree that he seems a bit scummy right now. Just to clarify; I was told that witholding my targets and my power would be an un-town thing, and in this instance where mr-paul has been asked to reveal his targets and power (something known about me) he refuses. I am refusing to give my full character information away because I think it is entirely fair and just if I want to hold back some information. Just as mr-paul feels he is justified in holding back his information.
Jonnas Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 I am refusing to give my full character information away because I think it is entirely fair and just if I want to hold back some information. Just as mr-paul feels he is justified in holding back his information. The difference here being that mr-paul didn't roleblock the only confirmed townie we have. And hey' date=' lookit that, forgot I was voting for ReZ. I'm guessing Supergrunch was the other double voter, considering he was a detective and Zell was a criminal from the streets (I think?). Jimbob already proved he wasn't the double voter, I think. [b']Change Vote: Jayseven[/b] Because hey, we can always get something from a lynch.
Sheikah Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 I think mr-paul is more likely to be mafia than jayseven, truth be told. His posting style had me suspecting him very early in the game - lots of posts that either don't really contribute or are mild conclusions that most people could reach fairly easily by themselves. He also seems eager to direct the crowd'd conscience which seems pretty scummy to me. At the moment I think jay is innocent, pending further investigation by others. Of course, if one of them isn't scum I'd expect the other has a decent chance to be. Second post: Peeps, Jonnas might be trying to fan your fire here.
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