heroicjanitor Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.Good boasting. Yeah 2/3 is awful... If I had stayed in the game I think I would have figured it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Paul Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I didn't vote for you Zell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I didn't either, but I feel like it was my fault for saying you attacked dyson, it went downhill from there. Sorry...! That was the only time I was "useful" too. My mafia detector was way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendohnut Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah it was a great game, thanks Rez! If you look on the mafia forum you'll see us panicking about whether my voteblock actually worked on tales. I really (honestly) used it twice in the game and neither time did the players vote, so I didn't know what would happen. When tales voted and it didn't count we finally relaxed a little and focused on convincing you guys that tales was evil. It took a lot of convincing! Yeah we really made sure you got lynched that day Zell, sorry. We saw it as an opportunity and you being silenced pretty much spelt your doom you were unlucky tbh, but we were very glad of it as we needed townie lynches desperately after you discovered Jonnas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroicjanitor Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Yeah I think a lot of the fault for Zell's lynch was on me. I believed he was ho-oh and everything he had said about who he roleblocked, but I thought he must have came back in time if he was from Gold and we were in a red/blue universe... Anyway great game Rez, I'll definitely join the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Again, I never ever even implied it. I replied to this accusation (lol) on the mafia forum, and quoted the post in which you guys decided it was a good idea. No, ur mom A fair point. But really I just looked at it as being Red/Blue in the sense that it was mainly Kanto Pokemon. Still excludes Ho-oh and Lugia :p Anyway, just don't include Ruby/Sapphire in the Gold&Silver mafia Fantastic game, let's hope Gentlemen's II can live up to this one :wink: Oh lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I didn't think the updated sprites and game mechanics (like shinies) were a problem. The old sprites, despite being nostalgic, are pretty shit compared to modern standards, and they wouldn't fit with the colour identification thing ReZ has got going. The main idea, that we were back in Kanto with the old Pokémon we know so well and love, was definitely fulfilled. Including Ho-oh and Lugia was still a bad move in my mind, though. Seriously, ReZ, how did you EVER figure those were Red/Blue material? I think it's fine for the host to make unpredictable moves in order to confuse things - in fact I think he ought to - but it just pissed us off because it was against the spirit of what this game was about. Like I said: Yoda in a Power Rangers mafia. However, while I understand the frustration of people being lynched unfairly like Zell and Eenuh, you shouldn't really take it too hard or blame anyone. Mafia games are all about paranoia and suspicions, and in a well-constructed game the townies won't win by waiting for confirmation or solid evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zell Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Just so you know, I don't blame anyone in particular (a big thank you to anyone who didn't vote for me!). I'm not taking it too badly, I just needed to vent my feelings (I didn't get a chance to because I was silenced). I do understand this is all part of what mafia games are like, and the mafia were would obviously want me lynched. What got to me was the Ho-oh thing, was it really so hard to accept? Sure, everyone was expecting just Kanto pokemon, but when it turned out Ho-oh was in the game, you just accept that Ho-oh was in the game! When you first start a mafia game, you don't know any of the roles or the characters and you should never predict what those roles are going to be. Besides, the names of the characters are almost completely irrelevant. It's just a theme. You don't judge people on character names, what matters is the role. I was lynched on the basis for being Ho-oh, that's what annoyed me. I don't really understand how it's against the spirit of the game. Maybe against the spirit of the theme, but the theme is essentially artificial. Every themed mafia game can be written with standard vanilla roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peeps Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Not bothered about going back to it but I'll assume the ones pushing the 'kanto pokémon only' vibe were mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Just so you know, I don't blame anyone in particular (a big thank you to anyone who didn't vote for me!). I'm not taking it too badly, I just needed to vent my feelings (I didn't get a chance to because I was silenced). I do understand this is all part of what mafia games are like, and the mafia were would obviously want me lynched. What got to me was the Ho-oh thing, was it really so hard to accept? Sure, everyone was expecting just Kanto pokemon, but when it turned out Ho-oh was in the game, you just accept that Ho-oh was in the game! When you first start a mafia game, you don't know any of the roles or the characters and you should never predict what those roles are going to be. Besides, the names of the characters are almost completely irrelevant. It's just a theme. You don't judge people on character names, what matters is the role. I was lynched on the basis for being Ho-oh, that's what annoyed me. I don't really understand how it's against the spirit of the game. Maybe against the spirit of the theme, but the theme is essentially artificial. Every themed mafia game can be written with standard vanilla roles. I understand the need to vent. That's to be expected. I honestly don't remember if I ended up voting for you or not, but I did become accepting of the fact it was true towards the end when it was confirmed that Ho-oh was in the game. But you have to look at it from the town's point of view: It seemed like the textbook definition of a bad roleclaim at the time because we believed you were going to roleclaim Moltres. None of us thought it possible that Ho-oh was in it because it was clearly stated to only include first generation Pokémon. Ergo it DOES matter if the characters fit the theme or not, as it's a way for the players to test the probability of a roleclaim. It doesn't matter if the theme is artificial or not, what matters is what we can expect. Of course we shouldn't be able to predict everything - it's part of the GM's job to shake things up - but like it's been discussed before, the players need at least some framework within which they have a chance of predicting stuff. In a DIY mafia, for instance, it wouldn't be unexpected to see Indiana Jones facing off against the Smurfs, but if you suddenly brought the Smurfs into an Indiana Jones-themed game, it would ruin the feel of it and make it too unpredictable. Basically, anything goes as long as people have a basic idea of what they're going into. Otherwise they get disappointed and frustrated. Not bothered about going back to it but I'll assume the ones pushing the 'kanto pokémon only' vibe were mafia I think Rummy and I were the most frustrated disbelievers, and we were both town at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Us mafiosos voted for Zell because of something other than being Ho-oh, if I remember correctly (we accused him of being a mafia roleblocker, I think?). Anyway, I just think that, if you're going to do a Red&Blue mafia, you stick to Red&Blue. The updated sprites and shiny pokémon weren't that bad (I cringed at first, but it was something really minor), but including Ho-oh and Lugia was just too much. @Zell: I did believe you when you said it, after all, ReZ is way more likely to do such a thing than it is for you to lie about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diageo Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 With the amount of awesome Pokémon from the first game, I was disappointed there were so many legendaries and that Lugia and Ho-oh were in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Well apart from them, there was only Cybernetic Mewtwo and Moltres, one returning and one integral to the story. Which awesome Pokemon would you have put in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diageo Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Arcanine, Scyther, Alakazam, Golem, Pidgeot, Muk, Snorlax, Raichu, Megneton, Electabuzz, Magmar, Dragonite, Sandslash, Nidoking/Queen, Primeape, Poliwrath, Rapidash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I just noticed something: how come Dannyboy wasn't roleblocked by chairdriver, that last night? I thought it was odd that Tales' investigation got that info, but it was correct, so why did Dannyboy's kill succeed? (Not that I'm complaining, mind you ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 Because he was killed before he could do so. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendohnut Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Yeah Jonnas we sent the doomsday machine kill in literally as the night started. I don't know if that was the system Rez used but that might explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 But then, Tales' investigation should have said nothing about chairdriver, because he never managed to target Danny. I mean, we even used this as an argument against Tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted April 3, 2011 Author Share Posted April 3, 2011 But then, Tales' investigation should have said nothing about chairdriver, because he never managed to target Danny. I mean, we even used this as an argument against Tales. But there was still an attempt there, someone still requested to target him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnas Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 But there was still an attempt there, someone still requested to target him. Okay then, it's the system you use. I do disagree with it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I rest my case. Why? Those Pokémon are pretty awesome as well. Okay then, it's the system you use.I do disagree with it, though. Checking intended targets and actual targets are two different powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyson Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I was so gutted to die when I did; and then for nobody to follow up on my death! It wasn't even mentioned again until the last few days and even then it was overlooked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peeps Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 It's because no one likes Pikachu We agreed that you were poisoned but we had 0 leads and didn't the Zell stuff overshadow it? I think when Ghastly died someone put out that he may have poisoned you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcamillian Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Arcanine, Scyther, Alakazam, Golem, Pidgeot, Muk, Snorlax, Raichu, Megneton, Electabuzz, Magmar, Dragonite, Sandslash, Nidoking/Queen, Primeape, Poliwrath, Rapidash. Snorlax would have been AMAZING. Fatty roleblocker sitting in the way of people that needed to be woken up with a pokeflute wielded by another player. In fact... red/blue being the only game with a pokeflute... woulda worked nice with a butterfree sleep-powder power. Also neutral nidoking/queen partnership coulda been cool. but having said that... thankyou once again ReZ your generosity with your time is much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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