The Lillster Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 I know that PSP2 is a lot more powerful than the 3DS, but it's not as if the 3DS graphics are that bad you can't play (like most 3rd party Wii games).
Daft Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 The thing I find about graphics is that the prettier the new standard is the harder I find it to go back to weaker ones. One of the reasons I abandoned my Wii so quickly. I can't help it, gaming is a visual medium. ...kind of worried about my PS3 now I've got that new PC on the way...
Burny Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) I havent read up on the fine details yet but i wonder if the sticks have L3, R3 clicking and can i use it as a PS3 controller?? Wouldn't it be missing L2/R2? You might simulate them with the tickle pad on the bag, but I imagine registering when they are supposed to be pressed and when not might be tricky. The thing I find about graphics is that the prettier the new standard is the harder I find it to go back to weaker ones. One of the reasons I abandoned my Wii so quickly. I can't help it, gaming is a visual medium. ...kind of worried about my PS3 now I've got that new PC on the way... It's called a graphics whore and it's perfectly fine as long as they're not trying to tell everyone else in the Nintendo forums that they shouldn't be able to enjoy Nintendo games due to the generally underpowered hardware. Edited January 27, 2011 by Burny
flameboy Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 hmmm so kojima has MGS 4 running on this? interesting but unless it has some awesome new gameplay around the two touch screens do I really want to have that kinda of game on my NGP as opposed to on PS3? The thing I find about graphics is that the prettier the new standard is the harder I find it to go back to weaker ones. One of the reasons I abandoned my Wii so quickly. I can't help it, gaming is a visual medium. ...kind of worried about my PS3 now I've got that new PC on the way... Yeah it is true...unless your playing a very stylised game on the Wii it can lead for a very visually unappealing game...I guess the 3D element of the 3DS will alliveate this problem but it does mean going forward all handhelds will have to have this kind of tech in them
Serebii Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 hmmm so kojima has MGS 4 running on this? interesting but unless it has some awesome new gameplay around the two touch screens do I really want to have that kinda of game on my NGP as opposed to on PS3? Yeah it is true...unless your playing a very stylised game on the Wii it can lead for a very visually unappealing game...I guess the 3D element of the 3DS will alliveate this problem but it does mean going forward all handhelds will have to have this kind of tech in them Yeah he does but at 20 frames per second
Daft Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Yeah he does but at 20 frames per second Yeah but the assets weren't adapted and none of it was optimised. From the sound of it they literally just compiled the code on the NGP in a very short time. In that respect 20fps is pretty impressive.
Serebii Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 The problem I see with the PSP2 (or NGP or whatever they'll call it at launch) is that it is essentially the same thing that afflicts the non Nintendo side of gaming at the moment (and even afflicts the Nintendo side, but not as such). It's just the same Malibu Stacey as before, just with a shiny new quadcore hat. It's just more powerful and almost all of the additions are ridiculously superficial.
Cube Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 So this is a mistake right? Seems like they may have got it mixed up in the PR? It seems pretty clear its Android on NGP? It seems pretty clear that it only runs games developed for the PlayStation Suite. It depends on how open Sony are with the software. I suppose it is still entirely possible that they may use the Dalvik virtual machine (like the rumours regarding Blackberry and the possibility that the PlayBook may run Android Apps).
Daft Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Yes, I've Played With Sony's New Gaming Portable, The NGP Today in Tokyo, Sony unveiled it's newest PlayStation Portable, codenamed Next Generation Portable, or NGP. And I've played with it. During Sony's event, the NGP's beautiful OLED screen was stunning. It looks even more stunning up close. The touch elements on the front screen were more than serviceable, offering a new experience for PlayStation Portable gamers. At first glace, the NGP seems large. It is, measuring out larger than the PSP-3000. But while it isn't the smallest handheld on the block, it is surprisingly light. "That's because it doesn't have a UMD drive," Sony Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida tells Kotaku. In the place of the Universal Media Disc, Sony is using flash memory-based cards and digital downloads. Unlike the smaller PSPgo, the NGP fits comfortably in the hands. On the back, there is a touch pad, which is glossy and slick to the touch. Initial worries are that it'll get guncky with dirt and grime. Using it, however, felt quite natural as my finger movement responded directly to the onscreen action. There are Sony's iconic button icons as a monogram. Next to them are grips for one's hands. The entire handheld is sealed like an iPhone, so players will not be able to change the battery. The reason for this, Yoshida says, is because of the rear touch pad. It's apparently not possible to have a rear touch pad and changeable battery like on the current PSP-3000. On the top of the console, there is metallic trim on which there is a power button as well as volume controls. The rear and front cameras are unobtrusive. The buttons and the directional pad are akin to what players are familiar with on the current PSPs. Also, the handheld has a layer of gloss similar to the previous PSP models. Throughout my hands-on, two Sony staffers stood by with white gloves, ready to wipe down any fingerprints. The dual thumbsticks were a revelation — fast, responsive and easy to use. For those who always felt that the PSP's thumb "nub" never got it right, you'll be more than pleasantly surprised. The NGP, for as large as it seems, left me pleasantly surprised. It's light, and it is beautiful. http://kotaku.com/5744675/yes-ive-played-with-sonys-new-gaming-portable-the-ngp Also, got to remember, unlike the DS and 3DS, the touch screen doesn't need a stylus.
Debug Mode Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 This is very interesting for me since I'm interested in owning both. There's a major difference now though, I thought the pricing of the previous two at their launches were reasonable. Both were "Oh wow, that technology in a handheld and their price is very well put". This time though, I'm looking at the 3DS and still lacking the motivation to pre-order because of it's price point as I feel they're over charging me. The PSP2, even though no price is announced, you can tell it's expensive. It's offering you cutting edge technology, and although the price is likely to be £350+, I will still buy one. I find this quite surprising as I've always found myself and my friends regard me as a DS whore. All I'm really hoping for is that the analog sticks are a hell of a lot more comfortable than the original PSP's. Please Sony, put the analog sticks on the top half of the front. That's usually the natural thumb placement on handhelds.
Aimless Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 So, post-announcement we've discovered that everyone who was optimistic before is still optimistic, whilst everyone who was down on the idea is still down on the idea. Great. Personally I've no interest in stereoscopic 3D so on paper this is a better machine for me than the 3DS. Obviously the latter still has Nintendo so I'll likely pick one up at some point, but it strikes me that a lot of people are being unnecessarily hard on NGP simply because it isn't coming from Nintendo: complaints are being levelled at it which are just as applicable to the 3DS. I do have one problem with it, of course: I can't read NGP without thinking NeoGeo Pocket.
Cube Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Well, the name will be a complete lie the moment the console is released, so they'll need to change it.
Daft Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Anyone who wants and example of the rear touchpad's use, On the rear of the portable, there is a touchpad that is the same size as the screen. In the game demo I played of upcoming NGP title Little Deviants, players use the rear touchpad to manipulate cute balls around a lush cartoon landscape. But by pressing on the rear touchpad, it appears as though players' fingers stick up underneath the terrain, altering the landscape. So by moving one's fingers around, the landscape changes as new mountains are formed. But, if players stop touching the rear touchpad, the landscape returns to normal. It's a lot like putting your hand under a table cloth and moving it around a table. The game's mechanic was compelling enough to help sway Sony into including the rear touchpad. The game does feel a bit like a tech demo for the rear touchpad, but not in a bad way. It also offers the interesting feature of being able to "pinch" the cute ball characters on the front touch screen, causing them to slingslot. According to Sony's Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida, the hope is that developers will also use the rear touchpad as extra buttons or even shortcuts for commands. It opens up an entirely new way to game. http://kotaku.com/5744718/hands-on-with-the-ngps-brand+new-uncharted-and-a-deviant-surprise Sounds great.
Serebii Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 http://kotaku.com/5744675/yes-ive-played-with-sonys-new-gaming-portable-the-ngp Also, got to remember, unlike the DS and 3DS, the touch screen doesn't need a stylus. Odd, because neither does the DS. I've used my finger countless times.
McPhee Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 All hinges on battery life for me. As a portable gaming device 3 or 4 hours of play is perfectly fine, but for browsing the web and using simple apps I'd expect a lot more. That's why I'm happy with the iPad. It lasts freaking ages! Sure, the games aren't that flashy (somewhere between a DS and a PSP at best) but they keep me entertained and I know the battery will last. If Sony want me to buy a PSP2 then they need it to have excellent battery life. It needs to replace the iPad (or the smartphone, but I can't see that), not complement it, because I won't carry a third device with me. I'm already suitably entertained, there's no way I want another device just for some flashy graphics (same goes for the 3DS).
Caris Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Damn, the console looks beautiful in the second pic up, almost Apple like.
Daft Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Odd, because neither does the DS. I've used my finger countless times. Ah, my bad. I haven't touched my DS since 2008. Edit: What Choze said. (I'm shocked, too)
Cube Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Odd, because neither does the DS. I've used my finger countless times. What he means is that you CAN'T use a stylus on this touch screen. (that rear touch pad makes me laugh more and more with each new piece of information about it)
Serebii Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 DS doesnt have a capacitive touch screen. It needs pressure is what he means. NGP uses an iPhone like touch. So it will be faster and more responsive. Odd that you say that because my DS touch screen is fast and responsive, but my iPod and my friend's iPhones always seem to be slightly off where I touch and somewhat laggy
Caris Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 After watching this video I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get one on launch, looks incredible. Sony are back for sure.
The Lillster Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 I actually prefer the PSP2 to the 3DS, however I will probably still get a 3DS over the PSP2 because I already have a PS3 and want to play some Nintendo games for a change. To be fair though, I'm not really hyped about either.
Serebii Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Your iPhone and iPod are probably broken then. If it was just my iPod, then yes, I may agree with you. However, not if it's every iOS thing around
heroicjanitor Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 It looks amazingly powerful and I am always interested when something interesting like this comes along. Powerful enough to run Uncharted and it can be carried in your hands, I will definitely give this a look at launch. Sony have said it will be "affordable", but since it's Sony I don't know what they mean by it :p
Debug Mode Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Odd that you say that because my DS touch screen is fast and responsive, but my iPod and my friend's iPhones always seem to be slightly off where I touch and somewhat laggy I actually have to agree with this. It may be the touch screen that the previous iPhones used, but it never felt very right to me. It may be the type of screen it is, doesn't it rely on some slight heat from contact? And I'm usually cold as fuck strangely.
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