Political Correctness

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

Well, yes. My undestanding is that negro is a bit too close to 'nigger', which means a lesser being (or something, iunno). Back 'then' it was more offensive to be called 'black' than 'negro', but I'm no pro on the subject so don't quote me on this.

Nope, "nigger" simply comes from Spanish "negro" which comes from Latin "niger" which simply means black. The pejorative meaning came from the attitude towards dark-skinned people that they were lesser beings.

[Wesley]

My main man 2Pac uses it with love though. Explain this to me Dannyboy.

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

Heh, my gut tells me most of the people that wail "its PC gone mad, I tell thee" are usually the ones who are just itching and throthing at the mouths to "call a spade a spade" - and call a black person a nignog, just like the way they used to, and were used to doing.

 

On the other side, and equally as annoying, are the hyper-sensitive 'victims' who have the will of a toothpick and will break down the instant they are vaguely reunited with the fact that the world is harsh... and cruel. These are the people whom the 'politicians' bubblewrap and sprinkle a comforting spray of Johnson's Baby Powder on.

 

The true Homo Sapien, whom is neither as evil or weak-assed lays somewhere in the middle: Respect what 'PC' is there for and try to understand there actually are vulnerable people out there, but in the same vein kick the asses of those otherworldly cry babies who think this world was meant to be some Kellogg's Disney Marshmellow land, with sprinkles.

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

My main man 2Pac uses it with love though. Explain this to me Dannyboy.

Because within minority groups themselves, a trend evolved in which they started to use the pejorative words to refer to each other. Which just proves the point, really: It's not about the words themselves, but what we read into them. And unfortunately, with politcal correctness, we seem to pre-emptively try to get rid of all possible (and impossible) negative associations by deciding a word is bad.

 

@ King_V - Why shouldn't we call a spade a spade? When "spade" is suddenly viewed as pejorative and we have to call it a "digging tool", people are definitely being overly sensitive.

 

Of course I don't condone racism and badmouthing minorities or certain groups, but the focus needs to be moved from the words themselves to the meaning behind.

[Wesley]

Is it okay for me to say the... the... I don't even dare say it...

 

At least when I rap along?

[Iun]

Heh, my gut tells me most of the people that wail "its PC gone mad, I tell thee" are usually the ones who are just itching and throthing at the mouths to "call a spade a spade" - and call a black person a nignog, just like the way they used to, and were used to doing.

 

I frequently refer to people here as "You Little Yellow Fuckers". Am I going to hell too?

 

I also call a spade a shovel. Is that derogatory to miners?

 

On the other side, and equally as annoying, are the hyper-sensitive 'victims' who have the will of a toothpick and will break down the instant they are vaguely reunited with the fact that the world is harsh... and cruel. These are the people whom the 'politicians' bubblewrap and sprinkle a comforting spray of Johnson's Baby Powder on.

 

Or worse, those who sit there and say "that could offend SOMEONE!" No-one seems to know who this mysterious "Someone" is but you can believe that it's pretty much "Nobody" and as usual it's "Everybody" that has to feel bad.

 

The true Homo Sapien, whom is neither as evil or weak-assed lays somewhere in the middle: Respect what 'PC' is there for and try to understand there actually are vulnerable people out there, but in the same vein kick the asses of those otherworldly cry babies who think this world was meant to be some Kellogg's Disney Marshmellow land, with sprinkles.

 

The thing is, we need to call things what they are. However, as someone said, common terms can easily be deemed as offensive - it's the tone, not the word.

 

In China, these Little Yellow Fuckers call all foreigners "Laowai" meaning "Old Foreigner". Now, some people don't know any better, and that's the term they were brought up to use. Others see it as common usage and latch on to it. However, there are those here who very clearly use it as a term of abuse, and you have to learn to differentiate between the uses rather than ban the term altogether.

 

And seriously, if you tried really hard you could be offended by anything.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Iun

[Wesley]

I can't tell who is a racist or not in this thread. Could the racists please identify themselves?

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

 

@ King_V - Why shouldn't we call a spade a spade? When "spade" is suddenly viewed as pejorative and we have to call it a "digging tool", people are definitely being overly sensitive.

 

 

 

With all due respect, this is the attitude that causes the difference between having the ability of knowing what will offend and what won't; ala mocking another religion's leader or deity on multiple edited and proof-read national newspapers.

 

No one is stopping you from calling a Chinaman a 'chink', but if it comes to the point of causing some form of sensationalism and emotion in the eyes of the Chinaman then surely it indicates a problem? If you are sympathetic and are not some obnoxious super-Nazi hell bent on causing social discord, then you would stop, those that aren't will continue - and it is at this point where I understand PC, and yes, censorship should come into place if need be.

 

It comes down to the individual to have the intuition of what seems wrong and right.

 

I don't care much for PC mind, I'm really apathetic to most of these social issues... But I'm polite and Im secure enough in myself to not have to half-wittedly be offensive to people. Meh, to each his own hehe

Edited October 12, 2009 by King_V

[Dannyboy-the-Dane]

 

With all due respect, this is the attitude that causes the difference between having the ability of knowing what will offend and what won't; ala mocking another religion's leader or deity on multiple edited and proof-read national newspapers.

 

No one is stopping you from calling a Chinaman a 'chink', but if it comes to the point of causing some form of sensationalism and emotion in the eyes of the Chinaman then surely it indicates a problem? If you are sympathetic and are not some obnoxious super-Nazi hell bent on causing social discord, then you would stop, those that aren't will continue - and it is at this point where I understand PC, and yes, censorship should come into place if need be.

 

It comes down to the individual to have the intuition of what seems wrong and right.

No, it's not the attitude I display here that causes the difference between having the ability of knowing what will offend and what won't. The attitude that causes that is called ignorance. (Besides, the cartoon debate, while somewhat related, was about something else and more than simply offending people. But that's a debate for another time.)

 

I wouldn't call someone by a word they don't like. That would be disrespectful. I'm not trying to pretend that no words can have offensive meaning, because I know they can. But people obsess way too much over the words themselves instead of the intending meaning. If someone unknowingly used a word that is thought of as pejorative by some people, would it be offensive? And what about groups who are perfectly fine with using the pejorative terms about each other, but who would take it to court the instance someone outside the group used the same term?

 

What I'm saying is that we need to focus solely on the intended meaning behind the words, not the words themselves - the latter of which I think political correctness is somewhat guilty of at the moment.

 

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm tired as feck and about to go to bed, but I think I managed to explain my point.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Dannyboy-the-Dane

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

No, it's not the attitude I display here that causes the difference between having the ability of knowing what will offend and what won't. The attitude that causes that is called ignorance. (Besides, the cartoon debate, while somewhat related, was about something else and more than simply offending people. But that's a debate for another time.)

 

I wouldn't call someone by a word they don't like. That would be disrespectful. I'm not trying to pretend that no words can have offensive meaning, because I know they can. But people obsess way too much over the words themselves instead of the intending meaning. If someone unknowingly used a word that is thought of as pejorative by some people, would it be offensive? And what about groups who are perfectly fine with using the pejorative terms about each other, but who would take it to court the instance someone outside the group used the same term?

 

What I'm saying is that we need to focus solely on the intended meaning behind the words, not the words themselves - the latter of which I think political correctness is somewhat guilty of at the moment.

 

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I'm tired as feck and about to go to bed, but I think I managed to explain my point.

 

'Course I understand, thats why I laid down the two extremes in my intial post. The fragile Black people for example, who burst into tears and despair the moment they hear "NIGGER" is just as outrageous, but at the extreme end you have those wanting to exploit these frailties. Both these groups must be brought before justice at the Arbiters Grounds!

Edited October 12, 2009 by King_V

[Rummy]

Did nobody see the hilarious irony in the sentence about calling a spade a spade? Was it intended? Is it just me and my good ol' racism focused mind? Oh well.

 

For the record, I'm actually well un-PC sometimes, oftentimes rather racist. However, my intent behind it is usually humerous, and I DO tend to know when it might offend someone, I just generally do it with my friends, where I am unfortunately maybe the only ethnic person as of main.

 

Then again, I do it with my asian(south, again something weird, I didn't know of the east asians til I was about 10 or something silly) friend a bit too. I'm pretty sure people know when to tell me enough is enough though. I think a big part of the offense behind things also is the intent, though sometimes it's the ignorance and I don't know if that can be classed as...well, intentional.

 

Uhh anyway, it's 7 and I just woke up still a bit confused from some weird dreamthink, I forgot my point I was trying to make, but yeah. I'm a hypocrite though, and there's one word I very rarely use because I hate it, and I don't generally tolerate it from anyone either(though they're free to call me all sorts of others and make all sorts of race-based joles, like if I'm joking with my friends). I sometimes wonder if it's a bad thing I do it, also.

[Cube]

I just generally do it with my friends

 

When used in banter between friends, anything is usually fine. As long as it is just banter.

[MoogleViper]

Did nobody see the hilarious irony in the sentence about calling a spade a spade? Was it intended? Is it just me and my good ol' racism focused mind? Oh well.

 

I don't get it.

 

I also call a spade a shovel. Is that derogatory to miners?

 

No. Miners didn't use spades/shovels they used pick axes.

 

I think that's the biggest part of the reason why some racial jokes are acceptable from an ethnic person, but not from a non-ethnic person. I dunno if ethnic is even PC, should it be minority and non-minority?

 

No because everyone has an ethnicity. You aren't an ethnic. The terms are ethnic minority and ethnic majority.

[EEVILMURRAY]

The fragile Black people for example, who burst into tears and despair the moment they hear "NIGGER" is just as outrageous,

God hope they weren't watching this:

[This was the best quality I could find with more length in it in the time it took me to look]

Did nobody see the hilarious irony in the sentence about calling a spade a spade? Was it intended? Is it just me and my good ol' racism focused mind? Oh well.

pr0. I hoped it wasn't just me.

Just to point out that the term 'black' is now the acceptable term to use to describe a person.

But we can't call a fucking sheep black. AND THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

God hope they weren't watching this:

[This was the best quality I could find with more length in it in the time it took me to look]

 

pr0. I hoped it wasn't just me.

 

But we can't call a fucking sheep

black. AND THAT IS WHERE THE

PROBLEM LIES.

 

Haha, classic.

[jayseven]

Nope, "nigger" simply comes from Spanish "negro" which comes from Latin "niger" which simply means black. The pejorative meaning came from the attitude towards dark-skinned people that they were lesser beings.

Infraction issued for quoting me when I said not to.

[LegoMan1031]

But we can't call a fucking sheep black. AND THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES.

 

Yeah true, good point. I can't argue with that.

 

Is there an actual reason why they have changed nursey rhymes in school? I only hear of the fact that some have been changed but no reason...? (this is a genuine question btw)

[Iun]

 

Is there an actual reason why they have changed nursey rhymes in school? I only hear of the fact that some have been changed but no reason...? (this is a genuine question btw)

 

People think it might upset the nignogs.

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

Yeah true, good point. I can't argue with that.

 

Is there an actual reason why they have changed nursey rhymes in school? I only hear of the fact that some have been changed but no reason...? (this is a genuine question btw)

 

 

Because this is cool.

[Iun]

 

Because this is cool.

 

I still teach Baa Baa Black Sheep to my children here in China, does that make you want to sing Hip-Hop at me?

 

Seriously, goddammit, that sheep is black I ain't gonna call it a "sheep of colour" just in case I upset it/someone/God/Allah/Wumbadum/Jesse Jackson.

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

I still teach Baa Baa Black Sheep to my children here in China, does that make you want to sing Hip-Hop at me?

 

Seriously, goddammit, that sheep is black I ain't gonna call it a "sheep of colour" just in case I upset it/someone/God/Allah/Wumbadum/Jesse Jackson.

 

 

Why are you throwing rhetorical questions at me? Grow up. In most cases, this is what the "PC gone mad" crowd are; fustrated middle aged men. The sheep is black, CALL IT! Whos stopping you? Its like you're arguing at an invisible enemy lol. XD

[Iun]

Grow up.

 

 

WHAT! Are you taking a crack at short people now?!?!?!?! Huh?! HUH?!!!!

 

 

Its like you're arguing at an invisible enemy lol. XD

 

Oh! NOW he's having a go at the "Visibly Challenged"!

 

Let's get 'im!

[Falcon_BlizZACK]

I mean are people really getting arrested over putting St Georges flags up? Or is it the instigator type who wants to put 5, metre long flags on their Ford Escort to prove something.

[Iun]

I mean are people really getting arrested over putting St Georges flags up? Or is it the instigator type who wants to put 5, metre long flags on their Ford Escort to prove something.

 

Y'know, people who object to others displaying the flag of our country... really need hanging up by the highest yard arm in the Admiral's dockyard.

 

But again, we come to this problem of how people are intending the use of the flag. Are they saying "I'm proud of this little lump of Island that has for so long been a beacon of hope, justice and unelected Scottish Prime Ministers for centuries"？or are they saying "No wogs, wops, chinks, yids, degos, pakis, yardies, queers, nonces, nips, russkies, sand-niggers or camel-shaggers allowed" ?

 

Whichever it is... well, they have the right to show the flag of this country because even if all we have left is blind-eyed racism and ignorance... it's still our country of birth and we should try to take some pride in it.

 

Look at the Krauts as an example: twice we kicked their sausage-eating, yodelling, leder-hosen-wearing asses into touch for being utter, utter bastards. But still, they've moved on from their crimes against humanity and decency and have remained a proud nation, open to others but insistent on the fact that Germany as an ideal, culture and nation be respected.

 

We're still beating ourselves up about our colonial legacy.

[Paj!]

My mum's side of the family always seem to have little golliwog dolls in their houses. Not out of any racial blah blah, but because they grew up in South Africa, and they say they kept the dolls in remembrance, both good and bad. Something like that. My aunt managed to track down an original copy of the now out of print;

 

But then she's crazy.