Posted October 23, 2009 While it did seem like just a bashing session I couldn't help but love ever second of it. Most noticeably his avoidance of the questions and unrelated, often warped, answers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Personally my favourite response was "He [whoever it was] was a member of the Klu Klux Klan, but they weren't violent". Oh that's fine then. Hating black people is fine as long as you don't murder them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 He really doesn't like people quoting the vile, anti-British and anti-Semitic shit he's spouted in the past, does he? "I can't explain why I denied the Holocaust because of European law" Bullshit, holocaust denial is not illegal in Britain. Churchill would have been a member of the BNP? The BNP whose current director of publicity said ""Churchill was a fucking cunt who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I would have liked to have seen him given just a touch more rope to hang himself with- If they had taken him outside of the issues discussed by his one note, hollow hate mob then I think he would have been totally incapable of responding and would have been further exposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Well it clearly had an effect on me because I had a dream last night that I got into a fight with Nick Griffin it ended with me winning and him getting dragged away up some stairs to safety! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I watched it with the sound down since i was doing a few things in between watching. Caught a few clips on BBC News though. Seems to me that they were just bashing Griffin for half an hour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I would have liked to have seen him given just a touch more rope to hang himself with- If they had taken him outside of the issues discussed by his one note, hollow hate mob then I think he would have been totally incapable of responding and would have been further exposed. I think this is a most excellent post, but people are getting too caught up in the BNP themselves, and warranting them a bit too much attention to just their views, it only does the BNP favours because they get the exposure. To be fair it was a bit of a bullying session and I agree with the sentiments of Jayseven. Instead of trying to constantly quote him down or murk him on the points he made, actually countering them (which isn't hard, and often they didn't do it) would have been more effective and credible. But, as it was, he is such an incomprehensibly large tool that he still managed to flake and divulge over points like a school girl choosing her hairstyle on the first day of term, that he went into minus points on the credibility counter. It was great TV and the woman on the right was pure genius, her lols per minute ratio would put even the mighty ReZ to shame. Jack Straw was a bumbling idiot most of the time, particularly on Labour related issues. The others were non-features really. It was a little too BNP-related for a topical politics discussion, but in the end, I think it served a valuable purpose and exposed who the BNP are to a wide number of people. I sincerely doubt it convinced people who didn't vote for them before to vote for them. If it convinced one person who voted BNP before, to change, then a positive outcome can be measured. I think giving them the platform to debate politics was the best thing to do because quite simply, they just don't have any. Just gratuitous amounts of HATRED. I think you might be giving a bit too much faith to all of the great british public. There's enough people out there to have voted for them already anyway, and apparently there was 8 million people who watched the programme last night. That's not even counting people who are gonna see it at a later time. I watched half of it, and I *never* watch question time. I think if there really was numbers that big, it's very possible some people might have changed their opinion on Nick Griffin/BNP(especially if they know little about them, and only hate them again due to ignorance, and everyone else just talking about how bad the BNP are, then they see him on TV and think 'oh, he's not SO bad, plus it seems like everyone else is sort of just...picking on him'). That is going to get him some support, even a tiny invisible bit of doubt in some people's heads, it's going to do something that might help them at a later date. Just watched the thing Alan Davies was talking about, pretty smart actually(go check it out; 'This Week' on BBC iPlayer). He brings up some true points though, and a reason why I think the BNP are getting support in areas. Britain IS getting a massive influx of immigration, I've seen it happen to my own town with my own eyes, we were once one of those minority families! I'm not against immigration, I'm against it if it takes from the country, though, as it can't be making Britain any stronger. I'll be honest though, politics, immigration, all this I talk of, I know little of the facts and figures, simply because I hear so much shit I can't be arsed to try and keep up, so I apologise if I say something stupid in my ignorance. Anyway, The BNP, albeit very extremely, attempt to address these 'issues' of a dilution or a weakening of Britain due to immigration, for some people that is enough. I think this is a byproduct of the classic 'Political Correctness Gone MAD!!', it is hard for anyone in the public eye, especially politicians, to mention anything which would look discriminatory against immigrants or races or look to preserve 'british' values and culture. When they do? They get vilified by people and the press for being racists! Rarely do people address the issue publicly because of political correctness, but the BNP do, and for some people, they're the only ones serious about handling an issue that does matter to them. Edited October 23, 2009 by Rummy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Lots of whining and moaning from the perma-victims that the audience was largely against the BNP - newsflash, Britain is largely against the BNP. Or should the audience have been deliberately skewed to over-represent this poor little oppressed minority of English National Socialists? You know, like when they bussed in those fake "BNP supporters" for the radio show who were actually party members. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 It's not about the audience being against the BNP, it's about the way in which they went about it, do you argue against the BNP like danny would, or like jayseven would? Why one over the other? People are reacting too emotionally! That can detract from the point they'd like to make because they just look too vested in things. I'd be more inclined to say Britain largely hates the BNP, rather than saying Britian is largely against the BNP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Have people watched Question Time regularly or just for this episode? Because not answering questions, audience members pointing at politicians and saying they should be ashamed of themselves, panellists talking over people and slagging off the opposition rather than arguing their points is a mainstay of the programme every week, not just when Griffin's on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Have people watched Question Time regularly or just for this episode? Because not answering questions, audience members pointing at politicians and saying they should be ashamed of themselves, panellists talking over people and slagging off the opposition rather than arguing their points is a mainstay of the programme every week, not just when Griffin's on it. I tend to watch it when i remember it is on. Yes i do admit that half the time the panel always argue and never answer to the question asked, just like last night to be fair. It seemed for much of the show that Nick Griffin couldn't make much sense of his own quotes and answers, not even with the other members of the panel including Mr Dimbleby who kept quoting him from what he has said in the papers (Griffin kept denying it). I thought at one point the only person siding with Griffin was that woman from the British Museum, but even she wasn't 100% with him. All in all, this was a good edition of Question Time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Have people watched Question Time regularly or just for this episode? Because not answering questions, audience members pointing at politicians and saying they should be ashamed of themselves, panellists talking over people and slagging off the opposition rather than arguing their points is a mainstay of the programme every week, not just when Griffin's on it. I don't to be honest, I did say earlier, so I obviously have nothing to judge it against in that vein. However, I watched it last night but didn't before and most likely won't be doing so too often again, of which I'm sure there's lots of other people in the same boat, so we'll all judge with this skewed view of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Just watched it on iPlayer, very awesome. Generally he's so pointless. No one needs racism and segregation. Bonnie stunned me. Randomly there, but so appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 He also claimed the audience was not representative of the UK as a whole as levels of immigration in London meant it was "no longer a British city". That is just one of the many quotes that stood out from a news article i have just read. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8322322.stm Looks Mr Grillin is lodging a complaint against the BBC! lol What a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I loved how he says Islam is a danger yet wants us to completely pull out of the middle east. I cannot see how anyone cannot see Iran as a probelm yet rant about the dangers of Islam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I loved how he says Islam is a danger yet wants us to completely pull out of the middle east. I cannot see how anyone cannot see Iran as a probelm yet rant about the dangers of Islam. Totally different arguments, dude... We're in the Afghanistan not to prevent Islamification of Europe, but to combat terrorists and demolish the inhumane megalomaniacs that are Taliban. Geert Wilders is the most public figure in the anti-Islamification argument, it has nothing to do with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Thought it was pretty disappointing the only person who I thought came out of it good was Greer who is an utter genius. "I have some books for you to read Nick. You should be scared of letting other races into your organization! Nick do you agree with me? Yes! Good!" In my view the guy who called Nick a Dick should have been stopped asking questions. Also all 3 politicians were going for applause rather than addressing issues. Straw was the best of the 3 I reckon but I would say that I vote Labour! It was a lynch mob rather than a serious discussion like I said Greer was the only one who imo acted like an adult including the audience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I haven't seen the show, just to mention it. My brief thoughts on the matter, judging from the apparently almost identical case with the national party in Denmark, Dansk Folkeparti (the Danish Folk Party): There is a lot of xenophobia, nationalism and prejudice in those national parties. They generally seem to dislike everyone who's different from themselves, and they just can't argue this logically - because frankly, it ISN'T logical. Well, the feeling of fear towards things we don't understand is to a degree understandable, but can certainly be combatted by logic. But the subject of political correctness is also interesting. While their opinions on immigrants are waaay out there, they're also the only ones who actually dare take up some of the real problems with immigrants. The subject has sort of become taboo, at least to almost any sort of negative comment, however justified it may be. So yeah, not much new to add, just wanted to state my points of view. Edited October 23, 2009 by Dannyboy-the-Dane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I actually lol'ed at "Militant Homosexuals". They do exist. A pristine example of why art is far more important than logic in a society. Oh I beg to differ. The chap who called him Dick Griffin was the best. Really I found that incredibly immature and lowered the tone of the whole show. Comments like that are what gives the BNP the chance to present themselves as the victims and subsequently gain voters. As somebody else said 9I think either Rummy or Dan) it would have been much better if they'd have discussed politics rather than slagging him off as he wouldn't have been able to cope. It was as the lib dem guy said. They were the only ones who took voters away from the BNP as they looked at reasons why people voted for the BNP rather than just slagging them off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Disclaimer ; I'm not going to pretend I know anything about politics. -------- I found that hugely entertaining. "The repulsion is neutral" Neutral? How it should have gone Absolutely amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Neutral? Was supposed to be mutual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 Was supposed to be mutual. We appear to be in neutral agreement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 I'll have to see about watching this on iPlayer laters. It sounds mighty entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I'm watching it right now, and I have to say, the entire episode is just a vehicle to humiliate the BNP via semantics and loopholes in logic. I can't imagine there's any one human being on the planet who could realistically upstand such an onslaught. Don't get me wrong - my posts in this thread should already explain where I stand on teh subject - but there was something almost borderline-bullying about this. Perhaps that's the only way about it? I don't know. I just found many of the arguments that won applause were, in themselves, equally flawed and biased. I really hate politics and its mixed identity. For the lols, of course. I'd have to agree with you there. The level of stupidity all around was cringe worthy, especially from the Yank. Using the Romans as an example of a multi-culturally tolerant society??!?! Or how about trying to say that there are no Indigenous Britons because we all come from Africa? Does that mean there are no Indigenous Americans or Aussies? Barroness Warsi just came across like an idiot and I got the odd hint of the closet facist from her too. Nick was flaky, although any time he made any kind of valid point or true statement it seemed like there was a mad rush to try and twist it to make him look dumber than he really is, on this point I felt a little sorry for him. Jack Straw was meh, he suffered from the usual Labour problem of being repeatedly stopped mid-sentence by the Conservative Rep/Audience/Host (I forget his name). To be honest I thought the only one who actually came across well was the guy from the Lib Dems, who I actually assumed was the Conservative representative to start with, he actually had that air of validity that Cameron/Osbourne/Duncan-Smith have about them. Edited October 23, 2009 by McPhee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
