Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Simple question, yes. Simple answer, no? Personally, i cant decide. People shouldnt have to suffer, but no one should be aloud to take a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 If someone requests assisted suicide, they should receive counseling, but if they still cannot be dissuaded, then by all means, if you want to jump, jump, especially if you are in pain or your quality of life is appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 If someone requests assisted suicide, they should receive counseling, but if they still cannot be dissuaded, then by all means, if you want to jump, jump, especially if you are in pain or your quality of life is appalling. But suicide leaves other people with a problem. If someone jumps, it leaves massive carry on effects. Close friends and family may do it too Close family and friends will get upset The public may feel upset about it It wastes time into investigations Someone has to clean it up And in England, QOL can always be improved. If theres problems, theres methods of getting it sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 But suicide leaves other people with a problem.If someone jumps, it leaves massive carry on effects. Close friends and family may do it too Close family and friends will get upset The public may feel upset about it It wastes time into investigations Someone has to clean it up I use the would jump as a general synonym for suicide. I believe that suicide is indeed a very, very bad thing. However, with euthanasia, I can understand it. It shouldn't be unexpected, and could well be a relief for many families. Also, there wouldn't be an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 I use the would jump as a general synonym for suicide. I believe that suicide is indeed a very, very bad thing. However, with euthanasia, I can understand it. It shouldn't be unexpected, and could well be a relief for many families. Also, there wouldn't be an investigation. Sorry, i didnt quite understand what you meant lol. If the QOL thing was about disease, rather than life experience. I believe its right. But if its just someone in good health, or relativly good, they shouldnt be aloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Sorry, i didnt quite understand what you meant lol. If the QOL thing was about disease, rather than life experience. I believe its right. But if its just someone in good health, or relativly good, they shouldnt be aloud. Ok, I don'tlike correcting people (unless I hate them then its different) but for some reason dear this is bugging me, it's allowed, not aloud, aloud would be hearing something. But yeah sorry ^.^ I reckon if a person doesn't wish to be here, even in perfect health, it is their life and should do with it as they see fit. Though the ripple effects do worry me, if it were to become legal, the amount of suffering the family still has to be put through, but as the_fish said without an investigation it might be easier on the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 Ok, I don'tlike correcting people (unless I hate them then its different) but for some reason dear this is bugging me, it's allowed, not aloud, aloud would be hearing something. But yeah sorry ^.^ I reckon if a person doesn't wish to be here, even in perfect health, it is their life and should do with it as they see fit. Though the ripple effects do worry me, if it were to become legal, the amount of suffering the family still has to be put through, but as the_fish said without an investigation it might be easier on the family. I truthfully didnt know that about aloud, and allowed. Does that mean you hate me? :/ They have an investigation to make sure it wasnt homocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 haha no ^.^, it was just bugging me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I think it should be allowed for the people who cannot live their own lives. The ones who just rely on others to get them through (I mean old people here, not lazy people). People who are suffering with illness should be allowed to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 haha no ^.^, it was just bugging me. ^^Cant stand being not liked lol. Makes me feel uneasy. I think it should be allowed for the people who cannot live their own lives. The ones who just rely on others to get them through (I mean old people here, not lazy people). People who are suffering with illness should be allowed to go. Yeah, illness is a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eenuh Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Wait, are you talking about anyone being able to have euthanasia or just really ill people? Anyway, I think it's a good thing for people who are ill and will not get better. Helps them to end the suffering. Already being practised here and I think euthanasia numbers went up this year. If the person wants it to end, then I think they should have that option. And even though it's painful for the family, it's also a relief to know a loved one no longer has to suffer. For people who are not ill though... not sure what my stance is on that. Suicide is a horrible thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 For people who are not ill though... not sure what my stance is on that. Suicide is a horrible thing... Maybe, but sometimes it just makes so much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eenuh Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Maybe, but sometimes it just makes so much sense. Oh I know, the thought has crossed my mind a couple of times already, but I don't think I could ever do that to my family. And most suicide ways seem so painful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raining_again Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It strikes me as strange how human beings compare euthanasia in animals and humans. I mean, who's to say that a humans life is of more worth than an animal's life? An animal is put down, because it is in pain pretty simply and legally. A human is not, because its oh so "taboo" and very illegal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eenuh Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It strikes me as strange how human beings compare euthanasia in animals and humans. I mean, who's to say that a humans life is of more worth than an animal's life? An animal is put down, because it is in pain pretty simply and legally. A human is not, because its oh so "taboo" and very illegal.... Is it still illegal in the UK? I'm sorry, I really don't know. =O I really think it should be legal. Really helps a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raining_again Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Is it still illegal in the UK? I'm sorry, I really don't know. =O I really think it should be legal. Really helps a lot of people. As far as I'm aware it is illegal =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It should be assessed on a case by case basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It should be legal if there is consent by two doctors (i.e. two doctors agree that the situation - as in illness - is really that bad). edit: Is it really much different to turning off a life support machine if someone's in a really bad coma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkatronics Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 It should be assessed on a case by case basis.But what would be considered acceptable?People would have so many appeals it wouldnt be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stefkov Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Ok, I don'tlike correcting people (unless I hate them then its different) but for some reason dear this is bugging me, it's allowed, not aloud, aloud would be hearing something. But yeah sorry ^.^ The Grammar Police. To Serve and Correct. Welcome to the force. If someone is in a lot of pain, their life can't get any better from the situation they are in and they request a humane way to die then why should that be illegal. Turning off their life support is fine, no-ones comitting a crime, the person can just say he's feeling a little better and would like to try and breath, or whatever, on his own to make up an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 But what would be considered acceptable?People would have so many appeals it wouldnt be funny. I'm not a doctor so I can't answer this too well but any condition that is degenerative (is that the term?) and has reached a point beyond any semblance of normalcy is gone. You should also have to sign something, like organ donation, saying you'd accept it. Also like Cube said, the consent of two doctors, or something along those lines, sounds like a good idea. This might sound harsh, but if you are able to kill yourself of your own accord, you shouldn't be considered for euthanasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somme Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 If someone wants to die, let them. We need the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensity Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 The problem I have with Euthanasia is its roots. It was largely used by the nazis to get rid of people with incurable diseases and mental illnesses (they did it in private hospitals without the family's permission) back in the late 30's to mid 40's, when most of the victims still had alot to offer. Propaganda videos from that time would distastefully depict young beautiful people with diseases wanting to be killed and then would make out their killers to be saints. When infact the ideology of the perfect race was behind it all. With that said, I do agree to an extent with older people who are in great pain and suffering to be allowed to die. As in a twisted sort of way they have earnt their right to decide. But legalize it in this country (I think its legal in some places in europe) and you get a bunch of mentally unstable freaks using it for stupid circumstances. Im 50/50 on the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxigen_Waste Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I'm a fucking libertine... if you don't have control over your own life, how exactly are you a free individual? Fuck yes, euthanasia should be a given right!!! It's one of those things that really reveals how conditioned our "freedom" is. It's funny how unaware we are of the level of control we are subjected to. Oh well, guess it makes sense, the perfect slave is the one who believes he is free. But I'm getting off topic, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 @OW: Of course we aren't free. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. However let's not derail this thread. If anybody wants to discuss freedom then make a thread. On topic: I think euthanasia whould be allowed with the consent of the person and the consent of a doctor. Also (I may be wrong so I apologize if I am) but euthanasia and suicide are different. Euthanasia is the act of killing somebody else to put them out of their misery. Suicide is the act of killing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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