Hero-of-Time Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 People seem to care more about frivolous shit than playing the damn games. Its just nice discussing these kind of things. Oh and playing games is ALL I do, you have my gamertag, right?
dazzybee Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 But if these games DON'T sell on the Wii then that will hinder the chance of similar games appearing again!!! Isn't that the point of the conversation!?!??! Think long term!!
D_prOdigy Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 But if these games DON'T sell on the Wii then that will hinder the chance of similar games appearing again!!! Isn't that the point of the conversation!?!??! Think long term!! Well rumours highly favour that Nintendo bought the Fatal Frame liscence, so I'd bet that in 8 years time, fans will scream for another game, and then 3 years later, Nintendo will cave in and announce V.
Hellfire Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Yeah, your obviously right..like always. Seriously, did I kill your family or something? Raped your pets? Both? dazzy, thing is, an advertising blow out probably for this game wouldn't change the sales significantly in a way that would change that. When deciding if a game should be made they look at profit, not sales numbers and that's exactly what I've been saying. And like mcj said and I agreed, there's a difference between discussion and moaning, not that it's been the case here, but it was the case in Matt's blog.
D_prOdigy Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Cassa's blog didn't really focus on "advertising", so I'm confused as to why people are arguing about adverts. I probably shouldn't have used the term "marketing" in the first place - I meant it as a kind of general, umbrella description. Basically, what Matt is talking about is that Nintendo have released absolutely no in-game trailers for Fatal Frame IV, and only given it a tiny, tiny website, even though it's out in 3 weeks. So Nintendo are doing what they did with Prime 3, in the way that they aren't "marketing" it to the industry in general, let alone advertising it to the public. Maybe more will arise of Fatal Frame IV at E3, but it would still be cutting it pretty fine.
Hellfire Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Cassa's blog didn't really focus on "advertising", so I'm confused as to why people are arguing about adverts. I probably shouldn't have used the term "marketing" in the first place - I meant it as a kind of general, umbrella description. Basically, what Matt is talking about is that Nintendo have released absolutely no in-game trailers for Fatal Frame IV, and only given it a tiny, tiny website, even though it's out in 3 weeks. So Nintendo are doing what they did with Prime 3, in the way that they aren't "marketing" it to the industry in general, let alone advertising it to the public. Maybe more will arise of Fatal Frame IV at E3, but it would still be cutting it pretty fine. He kinda contradicts himself (kinda), MP3 sold well, despite poor marketing and advertising (not that poor considering the MP3 channel), which is exactly what I've been saying is their reasoning, advertising more/investing in marketing would most likely not help sales (see MP2) enough to warrant what they spent. This is of course, theoretical, you can't say anything for sure without hard data and things can go either way. On the other hand, this is Nintendo, they have piles of cash and I would most certainly prefer if they went all out marketing these games, but the reasoning behind not doing so is solid and completly valid. And to be honest, here in Portugal, marketing wise, it's hard to know what's happening lol Fatal Frame is totally different though, specially if you're not talking about marketing, MP3 had been played, tested, there were videos, trailers, etc and it's not like people need to see videos weeks or months before the game comes out to buy it, specially because the game will most likely be playable at E3. If it isn't, well, then I agree. Nintendo seems to be taking a weird strategy with Fatal Frame and Wario, they're anounced shortly before they're released in Japan. Fatal Frame was anounced a while ago, but most media will be available near release and Wario was anounced like, 3 weeks ago or something. Don't really know what's the reasoning for this. Knee jerk sales? Don't want to create unreasonable hype? "Taking advantage" of the fact that most games on Wii don't sell bucketloads on launch, but end up being a success because they keep selling? I honestly have no idea.
Aimless Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Nintendo seems to be taking a weird strategy with Fatal Frame and Wario, they're anounced shortly before they're released in Japan. Fatal Frame was anounced a while ago, but most media will be available near release and Wario was anounced like, 3 weeks ago or something. Don't really know what's the reasoning for this. Knee jerk sales? Don't want to create unreasonable hype? "Taking advantage" of the fact that most games on Wii don't sell bucketloads on launch, but end up being a success because they keep selling? I honestly have no idea. Maybe they've been listening to Dennis Dyack. I think it might in part be due to Nintendo's ostensible shift towards sustainable sales. Rather than making yearly sequels they'll instead re-advertise product that's already out there; you can see this approach with a lot of Touch! Generations titles. The Wii's already played host to several surprise million sellers. I think, and hope, that Nintendo are trying to push the industry as a whole away from the hit-driven vicious circle it's currently in. The Fatal Frame series has been on my gaming to-do list for a few years. I think I might jump in at 4 if it garners favourable impressions, though.
Hellfire Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Maybe they've been listening to Dennis Dyack. I think it might in part be due to Nintendo's ostensible shift towards sustainable sales. Rather than making yearly sequels they'll instead re-advertise product that's already out there; you can see this approach with a lot of Touch! Generations titles. The Wii's already played host to several surprise million sellers. I think, and hope, that Nintendo are trying to push the industry as a whole away from the hit-driven vicious circle it's currently in. The Fatal Frame series has been on my gaming to-do list for a few years. I think I might jump in at 4 if it garners favourable impressions, though. Yeah, that's the most likely reason, one-hit games aren't very good for the industry.
Owen Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 Seriously, did I kill your family or something? Raped your pets? Both?. I love your opinion, i really do dude, but seriously you come across as though you have to be right constantly..thats all.
Zechs Merquise Posted July 13, 2008 Posted July 13, 2008 But it can be... Not profitable; specially before the game even launches. :p This said... I'm sure Fatal Frame will grow as a franchise, just because it is on Wii actually, and I think Nintendo will know how to advertise it, at least outside of Japan. More than advertising though (and I agree it helps) Wii is a market leader and yet we have Konami acting like dumb pricks regarding Silent Hill 5 for instance... what's stopping Fatal Frame from filling that void? Nothing and it will, if it gets as big as Silent Hill got last gen is to be seen though; just like I highly doubt SH5 can be as big as SH2 and 3 were back in the day. (times change) Very good point, mass advertising before there is anything to actually buy is a waste of time.
Shino Posted July 14, 2008 Posted July 14, 2008 I just have to say, if it wasn't for Matt's blog I would have never known about this game.
Meo Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 New Trailer Want this. Badly. One of the best partnerships they've ever made, and they don't even talk about it on their conference. I blame WiiFit.
Mundi Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Just got 1 and 3 yesterday from Vicar as a birthday present. I took this gift as a death threat from him.
D_prOdigy Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 It looks visually on par with Resident Evil 4... WHY THE F**K DOESN'T EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME?!!
ShadowV7 Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Can't wait for it. Looks fantastic, hope there's a release outside Japan soon. Dunno why it wasn't at E3.
Zelda_Rulez Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Trailer looks very good. Hope we get it this year.
Gaijin von Snikbah Posted July 16, 2008 Author Posted July 16, 2008 Holy crap, those TV commercials are awesome.
Mokong Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Oh man, i am now fully hyped for this game. The adverts are top class, and no game footage either, wonder would they do something similar here.... does anyone know what the girl is screaming? For the US and Euro releases I would love it if (though it likely won't happen but it should) there was an option to play the game with the original Japanese voice actors plus english subtitles, would certainly capture the J-Horror film fan market. Or even if the Japan version had english subs I might consider importing and getting a freeloader.... anyone know if it does? And just a thought, would be cool if they did a small "borrow" for the the Ringu films, where something happens and someone says "if you do this and the phone rings you'll hear a voice saying you will die" then the Wiimote speaker gives a phone ringing sound effect.
EchoDesiato Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 I love those commercials. Seriously, the girl screaming, and the girly whelp from that guy are hilarious.
mcj metroid Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 http://www.gametrailers.com/player/36708.html e3 trailer for it.
Hero-of-Time Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 WHY THE F**K DOESN'T EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS GAME?!! Even Nintendo dont know about it. From GoNintendo During my interview with Denise Kaigler, I did manage to slip in a few ‘traditional’ questions. One of my inquiries related to Fatal Frame IV for the Wii. I wanted to know why we didn’t hear about it at the conference, and why it wasn’t on the show floor, or in Nintendo’s meeting room. I was a bit surprised to find out that no one during my meeting had even heard of the game. They weren’t familiar with the title at all. I thought for sure they would know the game I was talking about, considering Nintendo is publishing the title in Japan! I have no idea what this response means for the future of the series in the states, but I am sure the game will see a launch here at some point.
Tellyn Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 I bet Tecmo is publishing it outside Japan. Oh dear. It would have stood some sort of chance if Nintendo were publishing it outside Japan...
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