Rage...Building

[arab_freak]

If by 'listening to some music on my phone' you mean without headphones then was right to want to snap that shit in half. Also, if that was the case, he shoud have won the fight and broken your nose.

 

My Nokia n95 8GB comes with shiny black headphones. Of course I use them.

[Sheikah]

Read again kid. Your parents have it to give to you. They have money to give to you. Understand?

 

Read this. First of all, I am not a kid. Do not patronise, as it just makes you look a tool (edit you're actually younger than me, so even more of a tool XD).

 

Secondly, any money that you think my parents have to give me (I presume you are talking about child benefit money, although not entirely sure, since I know they don't have to give me any of the rest of their money) poorer parents also get.

 

Now, if you are stating that because my parents earn more money they have to give me money, you are wrong.

 

 

Ha, try and find the Cambridge History of China volume 7 in any library near me and i'll give it to you. And I care about my education, I needed good grades to get into a good university, so they may be frivolous to you but for us who care we need to work.

 

I'm at a good university too. And seriously, you don't need that book to get an A grade at A-level. Loads of people are getting A grades at A-level these days. If you really needed a £200 book just to do one piece of work you could surely have rented it from your city library. Saying that, a £200 book sounds very in-depth, so I haven't really a clue why you'd buy the whole thing when it sounds as if you'd be using just a fraction of it.

 

Also, were there no other people doing the same coursework in your class? Grouping together maybe? Or better yet, using journals? (In Uni they pretty much replace books in Biology work at least). So many options really.

 

 

Books aren't provided for you where I went to college.

 

I wonder what it would be like if you didn't have money. Sorry, if your parents didn't have money.

 

The same as it was, since I barely got any additional money from them?

 

 

I can't earn the money myself, I don't have the time. My mum has to work part time because she has to take care of my grandad so he's still able to live on his own. I need the £30 a week to be able to go to college, without it I'd be stuck not going onto further education and getting a crappy job somewhere. The fact you seem to be forcing your opinion on people and assuming everyone is and was in the same situation you were is bollocks.

 

Open your eyes a little wider, some people need the money some don't. Yes, some people waste it on crap and they obviously don't deserve it, but some do.

 

 

If you really need that much to travel then you probably are one of the few worthy people. The fact is that a lot of people; probably most, get a lot more from EMA than require for basic needs like travel to and from sixth form and occasional stationary.

 

Also - no time for a job? I work on Sunday only. There is no excuse why people couldn't work on the day that I work. Unless, maybe, they're Christian.

[Ashley]

The temps at work always pissed me off. Such immense levels of stupidity. I found myself in the stockroom doing the old deep breathing technique (which kinda worked) and just saying "they're humans. Humans make mistakes. Some more than others but mistakes still..."

[LazyBoy]

Read this. First of all, I am not a kid. Do not patronise, as it just makes you look a tool.

 

Then stop acting like one.

 

Secondly, any money that you think my parents have to give me (I presume you are talking about child benefit money, although not entirely sure, since I know they don't have to give me any of the rest of their money) poorer parents also get.

 

EMA replaces child benefit. I'll make it bold to emphasise my point

 

 

I'm at a good university too. And seriously, you don't need that book to get an A grade at A-level. Loads of people are getting A grades at A-level these days. If you really needed a £200 book just to do one piece of work you could surely have rented it from your city library. Saying that, a £200 book sounds very in-depth, so I haven't really a clue why you'd buy the whole thing when it sounds as if you'd be using just a fraction of it.

 

Also, were there no other people doing the same coursework in your class? Grouping together maybe? Or better yet, using journals? (In Uni they pretty much replace books in Biology work at least). So many options really.

 

Nowhere near a city. No metro here while we are at it as well. I did that particular essay to get into the course I wanted. No one else I know did anything close. And thats one book. I rented all the books I could, but still had to buy four others. Remember this is just one subject.

[Sheikah]

Then stop acting like one.

 

I think the only immature person here is you, by instantly stating I am childish because I am challenging the EMA scheme. I think, quite rightly, it pays people too much just to go to keep going through education for another 2 years. Some people may well need the money, like Haggis seemed to, but for a lot of people £30 a week (or less if their parents earn more) is excessive and gets blown on non-academic related things.

 

 

EMA replaces child benefit. I'll make it bold to emphasise my point

 

Obviously it's not as clear cut as that. If it was a simple replacement then there would be no change at all, as both rich and poor families would be receiving the same amount. I don't actually know about EMA replacing child benefit since I never had to even know much about it, what with not receiving any money from it.

 

Also, child benefit - isn't that mostly for the parent, since they are sheltering you? I'm not 100% sure on this, but I didn't know it was a 'law' that your parents had to give you this money.

 

 

Nowhere near a city. No metro here while we are at it as well. I did that particular essay to get into the course I wanted. No one else I know did anything close. And thats one book. I rented all the books I could, but still had to buy four others. Remember this is just one subject.

 

So you're telling me you couldn't have got a train to the city, costing maybe £20, but instead you bought the book for £200?

[The fish]

I have to say, I think the EMA thing is unfair on those who are just above the upper limit for household income, who get nothing, while a friend of mine gets £30, as it's based on just his Mum's income, and ignores the fact his Dad (who lives elsewhere) pays for pretty much everything with ease as his kids live with the Mum.

[Dyson]

Fucking EMA and bursaries and all that shit. I can't fucking stand the benefits system.

[LazyBoy]

I think the only immature person here is you, by instantly stating I am childish because I am challenging the EMA scheme. I think, quite rightly, it pays people too much just to go to keep going through education for another 2 years. Some people may well need the money, like Haggis seemed to, but for a lot of people £30 a week (or less if their parents earn more) is excessive and gets blown on non-academic related things.

 

You not challenging the scheme, you're flat out insulting people who need it. People like me, so I wouldn't mind if you showed some respect.

 

[/b]Obviously it's not as clear cut as that. If it was a simple replacement then there would be no change at all, as both rich and poor families would be receiving the same amount. I don't actually know about EMA replacing child benefit since I never had to even know much about it, what with not receiving any money from it.

 

Also, child benefit - isn't that mostly for the parent, since they are sheltering you? I'm not 100% sure on this, but I didn't know it was a 'law' that your parents had to give you this money.

 

It replaces it, but comes out at a little more money. Trust me, I would know. We could of done with the child benefit as well.

 

 

So you're telling me you couldn't have got a train to the city, costing maybe £20, but instead you bought the book for £200?

 

Sigh. The nearest place that stocked the book was the national library. Which as you said was a £20 ticket. Now I can't quite remember how much it was but it came out costing more to join the library and visit it on multiple occasions than buying it. There you go. Happy?

[Sheikah]

You not challenging the scheme, you're flat out insulting people who need it. People like me, so I wouldn't mind if you showed some respect.

 

Oh, get over yourself. Anyone needs £30. I could well have done with that money during my school years, the fact is that such an amount (or less) each week seems more than necessary. The fact is, people do end up spending it on stuff they want. I know my girlfriend used it to buy games. Some people may need some of it, but it's favouritism and I'm sure a lot of people just blow it on stuff.

 

 

It replaces it, but comes out at a little more money. Trust me, I would know. We could of done with the child benefit as well.

 

Here's what HM Revenue and customs has to say:

 

Child Benefit is a monthly tax-free payment made to anyone bringing up a child or young person.

 

I don't see it saying anything about having to give the money to the child/young person. Why would they? They're sheltering you and you're not in full time work so can't pay them back.

 

Sigh. The nearest place that stocked the book was the national library. Which as you said was a £20 ticket. Now I can't quite remember how much it was but it came out costing more to join the library and visit it on multiple occasions than buying it. There you go. Happy?

 

It cost more than £200 to join/enter a library? How many members do they have, 1?

 

Also there is no reason why you couldn't sell the book afterwards for maybe 75% of what you bought it, giving you the money back, meaning you wouldn't need as much of the EMA as you're saying.

[rokhed00]

Fucking EMA and bursaries and all that shit. I can't fucking stand the benefits system.

 

Never had any of that shit when I was a kid, we learnt for our own benefit back then, not extra pocket money.

Fucking kids today don't know they're born.

[Sheikah]

Never had any of that shit when I was a kid, we learnt for our own benefit back then, not extra pocket money.

Fucking kids today don't know they're born.

 

Heh...although I couldn't even claim EMA because my parents earn enough, since I didn't get any money besides travel and food I have to agree. People don't need EMA, because people got by without it before it was introduced.

 

I'm not saying it won't help people in more difficult circumstances. But the reality is that it's just pocket money for so many.

 

As another note, my parents don't actually earn all the much. They don't even have to earn that much for you not to be able to get EMA. In fact, since they are together that actually makes things worse.

[LazyBoy]

Oh, get over yourself. Anyone needs £30. I could well have done with that money during my school years, the fact is that such an amount (or less) each week seems more than necessary. The fact is, people do end up spending it on stuff they want. I know my girlfriend used it to buy games. Some people may need some of it, but it's favouritism and I'm sure a lot of people just blow it on stuff.

 

I need all of it. You don't know me, you can't make a judgement.

 

 

Here's what HM Revenue and customs has to say:

 

You're 16 when you go to college, I don't think you're classed as a child. Either way we stopped getting the money.

 

 

It cost more than £200 to join/enter a library? How many members do they have, 1?

 

I was factoring in the cost of multiple visits but, yes, otherwise I would have done what you said.

 

Also there is no reason why you couldn't sell the book afterwards for maybe 75% of what you bought it, giving you the money back, meaning you wouldn't need as much of the EMA as you're saying.

 

Not much of a market for them on ebay. Its not Harry Potter.

[Sheikah]

I need all of it. You don't know me, you can't make a judgement.

 

Well you've not shown anything that makes me think you need it. I didn't get it, I'm still alive, so I didn't need it. Neither did Rokhed by the sounds of it. Our society is too soft.

 

You're 16 when you go to college, I don't think you're classed as a child. Either way we stopped getting the money.

 

You're a young person, as specified in the HM Revenue quote, therefore wrong. The money still goes to your parents. Only EMA gives the money to the young person.

 

 

I was factoring in the cost of multiple visits but, yes, otherwise I would have done what you said.

 

You could easily have photocopied/scanned necessary pages or used just that one book in probably one loan for your coursework. It's A-level coursework, not a bloody thesis!

 

 

Not much of a market for them on ebay. Its not Harry Potter.

 

 

Of course you could sell it, just because it's not Harry Potter there's no reason why it wouldn't sell. If you hadn't bought it long ago it's bound to be a fairly recent edition and so I'm sure someone would buy it. Seeing as you'd be selling it cheaper than RRP I'm sure people would be more inclined to buy it.

[Slaggis]

I need all of it. You don't know me, you can't make a judgement.

 

You're 16 when you go to college, I don't think you're classed as a child. Either way we stopped getting the money.

 

Exactly. We stopped getting any money when I turned 16.

 

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And nope, I don't have enough time for a job, even a sunday one. I've got to pay 300 quid for a biology course from next week and I have to do that all in my own time. I have to do a 2 year course in a year and a half without a teacher. If I had the time for a job, I would gladly get one because I could do with the money for a social life

[Sheikah]

Exactly. We stopped getting any money when I turned 16.

 

Maybe because you didn't reply back to them. They should give it to you if you continue on with A levels or other kind of full-time education. Especially given your situation.

 

 

What happens as your child approaches age 16

 

In the school year in which your child reaches 16 we’ll write to you to find out if they are going to carry on in full-time further education or approved training and, if so, the date you expect them to leave.

After we receive your reply, we’ll write to tell you if we can continue to pay Child Benefit.

 

 

(continuing)

What counts as full-time education

 

Full-time education means more than an average of 12 hours a week during term time is spent on tuition, practical work, supervised study or taking exams not counting breaks for meals and homework.

 

Examples of further education are:

• GCSEs and qualifications up to and including A level.

(blah blah blah)

 

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And nope, I don't have enough time for a job, even a sunday one. I've got to pay 300 quid for a biology course from next week and I have to do that all in my own time. I have to do a 2 year course in a year and a half without a teacher. If I had the time for a job, I would gladly get one because I could do with the money for a social life

 

What the hell is that course, how to survive in hell? Also if you study after getting home during the week (like hell most 6th form pupils do) then I really don't see how you can't work one day a week...

[LazyBoy]

Well you've not shown anything that makes me think you need it. I didn't get it, I'm still alive, so I didn't need it. Neither did Rokhed by the sounds of it. Our society is too soft.

 

I'm supposed to list to you all the things I needed? Everything? Clothes, books, stationary, food, transport. Any money I earned I spent on myself, because you know the poor like to have a social life as well. People need money you know.

 

 

You're a young person, as specified in the HM Revenue quote, therefore wrong. The money still goes to your parents. Only EMA gives the money to the young person.

 

Then the government owes me some money, because we sure as hell didn't get it.

 

You could easily have photocopied/scanned necessary pages or used just that one book in probably one loan for your coursework. It's A-level coursework, not a bloody thesis!

 

I'm sorry that I cared about my work. If the government is giving me £30 a week to work I'm gonna bloody well do the best I can.

 

Of course you could sell it, just because it's not Harry Potter there's no reason why it wouldn't sell. If you hadn't bought it long ago it's bound to be a fairly recent edition and so I'm sure someone would buy it. Seeing as you'd be selling it cheaper than RRP I'm sure people would be more inclined to buy it.

 

You misunderstand, I did try to sell it. In the end the loss was so great that I kept 6 out of the 8 books.

 

I think I should cover this now. Why is it that you think just because my mother couldn't afford it on her own that I can't have the same opportunities as you?

 

I agree there shouldn't be that drastic cut off point, and I agree that some people abuse it, but some people need it, and I think its funny that you consider yourself qualified to judge whether or not people in lower classes need help. End of the day the only reason that you don't like it is because you don't want to share you're money with anyone, which is fair enough, its just selfish.

[Dyson]

Never had any of that shit when I was a kid, we learnt for our own benefit back then, not extra pocket money.

 

 

I quite agree. This is why it is flawed. It's bribery for the poor.

[LazyBoy]

I quite agree. This is why it is flawed. It's bribery for the poor.

 

That's the kind of ignorant quote I hate. Like we need to have money waved in front of us just to want to learn.

[Slaggis]

What the hell is that course, how to survive in hell? Also if you study after getting home during the week (like hell most 6th form pupils do) then I really don't see how you can't work one day a week...

 

Because I will have all my revisions and homwork and then have to do all the work for the Biology A-level. I'll have no class for it, it's all in my own time. Your telling me that doing 5 subjecfts at college, then doing all the homework for it when at home and then doing a Biology A-level at home with ALL the work done on my own that I have time for a job?

 

The course is an extra I didn't know I needed for a course so I have to pay for the full A-level + the exams myself.

 

Your kidding, right?

[Dyson]

And of course I knew I'd inadvertently spur that sort of comment. I didn't mean to apply it to everyone.

 

I should flesh out my post. I meant to say that it isn't built to give people the support they need, if it were, then the supplied would be provided, not cold hard cash.

 

Unfortunately, what it does instead is make the people who normally wouldn't go on to further education go on because it's piss easy cash as far as they're aware.

 

There are obvious exceptions; some people actually do want to go to college and they get rewarded for it. However, the problem here is that not everybody does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what, I was going to try and make sense of it, then I realised it'd come out wrong and someone would think that I was having a go at them and/or a stereotype, which isn't my intention. I'll just leave my ramblings be.

 

Just stay safe in the knowledge that if you were going to college anyway, then good for you for getting EMA, it's not you my rants are aimed at.

[mcj metroid]

Fixed.

 

What pisses me off?

Oh man, worst thing that pisses me off.

 

Yesterday, at a bus stop waiting to take Letty home. Theres a huge pile of spit on the floor, its utterly disgusting. Then the guy behind us hocks all his snot and spits it onto the floor.

 

Some people are fucking animals. No, infact that puts animals down. They're worse than that. Like, bacteria or something.

 

Chavs. 'Nuff said.

 

these points are very true.. its so annoying seeing guys spitting on the floor.. Do they have hairballs or something I dont get it.

[LazyBoy]

Your kidding, right?

 

Exactly. I can understand if you're a facist libertarian (not an insult) who believes that you should help no one and just have your taxes go to roads, but don't tell us we don't need the money.

[Sheikah]

Because I will have all my revisions and homwork and then have to do all the work for the Biology A-level. I'll have no class for it, it's all in my own time. Your telling me that doing 5 subjecfts at college, then doing all the homework for it when at home and then doing a Biology A-level at home with ALL the work done on my own that I have time for a job?

 

The course is an extra I didn't know I needed for a course so I have to pay for the full A-level + the exams myself.

 

Your kidding, right?

 

Most people are advised to do 4 subjects, and often drop one in A2. If you're doing too much then that's out of choice (or necessity since you need that Biology). Also, you do a subject without a teacher then complain about the difficulty? Talk about biting off more than you can chew. Your circumstances are somewhat of an exception since you only found out that you needed the subject late on. A pretty rare circumstance that I don't think would apply to practically nearly all people on EMA.

 

As a tip, when you get to University there will be much more work yet people find the time to do jobs. There's less teaching time but a hell of a lot more study time.

 

I'm supposed to list to you all the things I needed? Everything? Clothes, books, stationary, food, transport. Any money I earned I spent on myself, because you know the poor like to have a social life as well. People need money you know.

 

I don't give a damn if you'd like a social life, the government shouldn't pay you to have that. Libraries are there, there's no excuse why you can't bring your own food. Even then a Gregg's pasty is under a quid...not suggesting you should eat that every day. Transport - while it may be more to some people, IMO the amount people are being paid is excess.

 

If you want to go out and get pissed then bloody well get a job.

 

Then the government owes me some money, because we sure as hell didn't get it.

 

You have to write back to them, which you musn't have done.

 

I'm sorry that I cared about my work. If the government is giving me £30 a week to work I'm gonna bloody well do the best I can.

 

While people not being paid £30 a week will do absolute ****, failing and dropping out at the earliest stages?

 

You misunderstand, I did try to sell it. In the end the loss was so great that I kept 6 out of the 8 books.

 

Surely the greatest loss would be to keep the books thus make absolute 0 pence profit?

 

I think I should cover this now. Why is it that you think just because my mother couldn't afford it on her own that I can't have the same opportunities as you?

 

What opportunities? When you get to University you get a loan, and family income probably puts you into a better light regarding grants etc, despite the fact that slightly better off people will still probably be paying back loans by themselves through their own money when they get a job.

 

I agree there shouldn't be that drastic cut off point, and I agree that some people abuse it, but some people need it, and I think its funny that you consider yourself qualified to judge whether or not people in lower classes need help. End of the day the only reason that you don't like it is because you don't want to share you're money with anyone, which is fair enough, its just selfish.

 

I shall reiterate as you seem to be quite ignorant regarding this. My parents do not earn that much money, just enough so I got no EMA money. Them being together reduced the chance of me getting any EMA.

 

Also, my parents do not give me money (in the sense that I am funded throughout life). That is why I have a job. Therefore I have no money to share with people. Isn't using bold very fun. Either way the person assuming here is you. You think I'm some rich boy who wants to take from the poor. Bollocks to that, I work at bloody Tesco. That says enough.

[Shino]

Let me see if I got this straight, someone didn't get 30£ and so its mad at everyone who does?

[Slaggis]

Most people are advised to do 4 subjects, and often drop one in A2. If you're doing too much then that's out of choice. Also, you do a subject without a teacher then complain about the difficulty? Talk about biting off more than you can chew.

 

As a tip, when you get to University there will be much more work yet people find the time to do jobs. There's less teaching time but a hell of a lot more study time.

 

I'm not complaining at the difficulty of the course, I'm saying I have to do the course at home on my own without a teacher. I have to do it in a year and a half instead of two. I am dropping subjects for A2, in A2 I will only be doing 3 subjects, but intill then I'm doing a hell of a lot of work and am trying my best to get it done well so I can get good grades to get to the uni I want.

 

I don't have time for a job (I thought I'd use bold seeing as you seem to love it so much). It's my choice to do the subjects, I know, but you cannot say I don't desverve the EMA just because I don't have a job. I'm working my arse off to be able to get a great job later in life. It's pretty offencing you implying I could obviously work harder and should easily be able to get a job.

 

The EMA is not useless, and like dyson said it maybe should be given in the supplies rather than cold hard cash. But thats not my fault, thats the governments fault. I didn't choose to get the money, I went to college and it got given to me and so far it's been extrememly beneficial in helping me with my course and it will be a massive help in paying for my Biology course.

 

 

I'm also going to have to do volunteer work at some point to help improve my chances of getting on the course I need. I have no idea how I'm going to fit this in, let alone paid work. So please, stop thinking you're 100% right, because you just aren't.