triforcemario Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I'm still waiting for someone to make a Hitler, Franco or Musollini account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalin Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Death solves all problems - no man, no problem. Joseph Stalin It's a good quote, but I never actually said it. It was made up by the Russian author Anatoly Rybakov in his 1987 novel Children of the Arbat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emasher Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 You forgot to put a "No" option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_banned Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Oh look, 'yes' is winning. Red strength is alive and well, I see. Strangely its the red yes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 What a stupid thread. Communism is the sickest ideology going. What about, say, religious fundamentalism, or totalitarianism? We're talking about pure communism here, I believe, not Soviet Communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 An awesome point, the fact any **** can walk down the street in a T-Shirt that glorifies some mass-murdering dictator as a fashion icon is a gross insult to the millions of people murdered and tortured at said dictator's hand. I've seen plenty of Che Guevara t-shirts, don't see many people with dictators on their shirts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalin Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 I've seen plenty of Che Guevara t-shirts, don't see many people with dictators on their shirts though. http://www.cafepress.com/sovietgear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haden Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 No you didn't, you betrayed Lennin and his principles, and subjugated Russia to a horrific and unjust theocracy that made the rule of the Tzars look like a Democratic-Welfare state. Boo, boo I say sir. Oh man Lenin. Everyone thinks hes a nice guy which in comparison to Stalin he was. And he did get betrayed. But boy was he a bastard as well. Man alive the bolshevicks really knew how to beat the crap out of people in there time. And che guavvera was also another disaster zone :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zell Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Well, if we ever achieved Karl Marx's vision, then you know it might work. Unfortunately that will never happen. And besides, all people aren't equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I voted yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I didn't expect such an "American" response to this. Thankfully, yes is winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haden Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I didn't expect such an "American" response to this. Thankfully, yes is winning. Um... Ok by american you mean mcarthy? As you cant quantify an american response. And people are just disagreeing so I guess american means different points of view means not communist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Um... Ok by american you mean mcarthy? As you cant quantify an american response. And people are just disagreeing so I guess american means different points of view means not communist? Yes kind of McCarthy. Its just that in my view Communism is more about the utopia than the people who tried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Yes kind of McCarthy. Its just that in my view Communism is more about the utopia than the people who tried it. Touché. And I totally agree about the "American response" thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haden Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Agh man the american response? After ww2 had ended in Europe Truman tried to make peace with Stalin and American foriegn policy was specifically aimed at avoiding a bi polar world and spheres of influence. Stalin rejected this and made demands to inherit some of the Italian Empire and refused to allow free elections in east europe. The dominance of one paticular part of America came to the fore becuase of events in east asia where american foriegn policy at the time oversimplyfied things sadly and made quite a few mistakes like chucking out experts on china becuase they were seen as "un american" but this was a fight within america and wasnt helped by the forces of communism fuelling it. As for communism the utopia I guess it would be nice but even if it worked out I disagree with its limitations to human thought by ruling out religion as a principle and the fact that it says morality shouldnt exist. As its basically turns humanity into a science experiment which makes life worthless and killing if something is agianst the experiment fine (as seen with the kulaks). Marx also makes so many character judgements on bourgraise people saying basically everyone in the class are cowards and disgusting yet he him self was hardly a poor worker and lenin was upper class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 A rubbish ideology, mostly because some people ought to be shot and not treated equally. I'm thinking chavs (although the state severely funds them for doing jack **** anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domo Kun Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I'm somewhere between a communist and socialist politically. Basically my arguement is that although people say it hasn't worked, I don't belive our capitalist system to be working, simply because people are starving today. I also don't think we've seen a true communist society. Is that because it's unattainable? I'm not sure... I know a lot of people would say so. Would more people starve if we had global socialism? I don't know, but I think we should be aiming towards it. Although people say there'd be no motivation in a communist society, I think there would be. I know I'd be more active at work if I knew I was getting my fare share of the wage, instead of making Marks and Spencer £1000 an hour and getting £5 of it. I don't belive in violent revolutions or five year plans, just to add. I'd like to see a socialist government elected peacefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zechs Merquise Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 What about, say, religious fundamentalism, or totalitarianism? We're talking about pure communism here, I believe, not Soviet Communism. Pure communism, please explain? All Communism has led to death, hardship and suffering. Not all religious fundamentalism is bad, for example Bhuddist monks could be described as fundamentalists however they don;t go around doing anyone any harm. Fundamentalism is only seen as a negative when the 'fundamentals' of the religion are based around territory and bringing war to the non-believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domo Kun Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Pure communism, please explain? All Communism has led to death, hardship and suffering. I assume what he means is that we haven't seen a 'pure communist' society yet. I certainly wouldn't say we have. I think we've seen evil people take power using the promise of communism, but not actually delivering. What is pure communism? Is it taking Carl Marx word for word? Because he was pro imperialism, and I certainly am not a fan of that. I don't think most leftys are. I think it's making what you can out of the ideology whilst taking a humanist perspective. So whilst Starlin wasn't the best leader of the S.Union, perhaps if... urm... Nelson Mandella (generic kind politician) had his iron claw upon Russia, it would have looked more like a soft teddy bear's paw, sharing food and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haden Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Pure communism, please explain? All Communism has led to death, hardship and suffering. Not all religious fundamentalism is bad, for example Bhuddist monks could be described as fundamentalists however they don;t go around doing anyone any harm. Fundamentalism is only seen as a negative when the 'fundamentals' of the religion are based around territory and bringing war to the non-believer. Where have you been hiding I want to give you a hug! This is why christian fundementalism is not a bad thing. Christian nationalism as I like to call it on the other hand is. But the media has completley screwed up the word fundementalism to such an extent it basically means evil lunatic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I believe that in capitalist societies some people make absurd amounts of money, money they probably can't even spend during their lifetime. Wouldn't it be preferable to share it all equally to the ones less fortunate? In my trip to Cuba, I saw a society that despite its economic and political problems, had food, health care, and education for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firthy1991 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 yes, lets be communist, then we get robbed all the time because your possesions belong to everyone, exellent idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Are we talking about communism with a big C or a little C? I'm not actually sure what people are talking about at all in this thread, communist ideology, communist states, socialist ideals... In fact, I don't think any one is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalin Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Are we talking about communism with a big C or a little C? I'm not actually sure what people are talking about at all in this thread, communist ideology, communist states, socialist ideals... In fact, I don't think any one is. Interpret it however you want sweetie xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jordan Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 As a theory, Communism is perfect. In practise? Its horrific due to human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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