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[Fierce_LiNk]

What the shit?! Why remake Predator?! Why doesn't Rodriguez just do what every single fucking Predator fan wants and just make the next entry into the Predator franchise?!

 

This just defies all logic. The original Predator is fine, and does not need remaking. Neither does Total Recall. However, the next film in the Predator series would be greatly welcomed.

[Konfucius]

I hope that Predator Reboot means they don't care about what happened after the first Predator movie and especially ignore everything that has something to do with the AvP films.

 

One does not remake Arnold Schwarzenegger movies unless maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger is still in them and remake means make them even more violent but let everything else stay the same.

[Paj!]

I'm waiting for talk of an Alien remake.

 

Then I'll blow up whoever is responsible.

[Dante]

Dante... I can see that you edited it over an hour later. You know what I mean.

 

Did you get out from the wrong side of the bed this morning?

[Cube]

I'm waiting for talk of an Alien remake.

 

Then I'll blow up whoever is responsible.

 

I still need to watch the second half of it...

[Paj!]

I still need to watch the second half of it...

 

...

 

*sets bombs outside Cube's house*

[Fierce_LiNk]

I'm waiting for talk of an Alien remake.

 

Then I'll blow up whoever is responsible.

 

You wouldn't have a chance, as I'd finish them first. Seriously, if anyone ever even considers remaking Alien, god help them.

 

Edit: Cube...you're breaking my balls here.

[Paj!]

You wouldn't have a chance, as I'd finish them first. Seriously, if anyone ever even considers remaking Alien, god help them.

 

Edit: Cube...you're breaking my balls here.

 

I've got a little something stored away for desperate situations like this.

 

Just a little instrument to aid in...persuasion.

 

 

[Oxigen_Waste]

Unlike Alien, Predator has something to gain from being remade, it could actually become great, instead of settling for good. And with Rodriguez on the helm, well... it's on the right path.

[Fierce_LiNk]

I've got a little something stored away for desperate situations like this.

 

Just a little instrument to aid in...persuasion.

 

 

Ok, you can have that.

 

 

Try using it in the Nostromo, with its endless airducts, corridors and airlocks. I'll blast that motherfucker off into space.

[Paj!]

I've never seen any Predator films outside of the two awful Alien Vs. films, but I've never found them as a "movie villain" particularly interesting. They just don't seem at all as scary as Aliens.

[Fierce_LiNk]

Unlike Alien, Predator has something to gain from being remade, it could actually become great, instead of settling for good. And with Rodriguez on the helm, well... it's on the right path.

 

Adding more Predators into it wouldn't necessarily make it better, though. I think it already is great. It's not great in the way as Alien is great, but then it's not trying to be.

 

I've never seen any Predator films outside of the two awful Alien Vs. films, but I've never found them as a "movie villain" particularly interesting. They just don't seem at all as scary as Aliens.

 

The first Alien Vs. Predator film is pretty ok, I think. The second was a travesty. The Predator itself is meant to be more...well...deadly, than it is scary. The Alien and Predator are both hunters, but there's a difference when it comes to killing. The Predator kills for sport, but the Alien kills because that's what it does. It doesn't think twice. Much like the Terminator, in a way.

[Paj!]

The first Alien Vs. Predator film is pretty ok, I think. The second was a travesty. The Predator itself is meant to be more...well...deadly, than it is scary. The Alien and Predator are both hunters, but there's a difference when it comes to killing. The Predator kills for sport, but the Alien kills because that's what it does. It doesn't think twice. Much like the Terminator, in a way.

 

IIRC, there's no blood shown. All the deaths are off screen or something silly like that. I'm not saying that gore makes a film scary, but it would add a lot to a film about 2 of the deadliest killing machines in the universe.

 

I enjoyed the second one more, to be honest. It was technically worse, but at least retained SOMETHNG of the feel of the Alien films before it.

 

The best thing I tok away from btoh films was really just the added backstory to Weyland-Yutani.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Alien is action horror.

Predator is action.

That's the difference.

[Fierce_LiNk]

IIRC, there's no blood shown. All the deaths are off screen or something silly like that. I'm not saying that gore makes a film scary, but it would add a lot to a film about 2 of the deadliest killing machines in the universe.

 

I enjoyed the second one more, to be honest. It was technically worse, but at least retained SOMETHNG of the feel of the Alien films before it.

 

The best thing I tok away from btoh films was really just the added backstory to Weyland-Yutani.

 

The problem with the AvP films, especially with the first one, is the people behind it. The first time me and ViPeR/Joe (we're HUGE Alien and Predator fans) saw the trailer for AvP, we were pumped. But, after seeing the film, we realised that the trailer had shown literally everything in the film. It was only about 90 minutes long. Compare that to Aliens, which had a running time of around 2 and a half hours. Fox had shot themselves in the foot, because had they allowed for another hour, then the film could have been much better. Also, the rating...PG13...fucking ouch. That is why most of the violence and killing was off-screen.

 

It could and should have been so much better. Why was it made for a PG13 rating, or given only 90 minutes? I'll never know. As such, the AvP franchise was doomed from the start.

 

 

Alien is action horror.

Predator is action.

That's the difference.

 

Hmm, I'm not sure if I'd even add "action" to the genre for the first Alien film. Predator is action, definitely. Alien is more isolation than anything.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Hmm, I'm not sure if I'd even add "action" to the genre for the first Alien film. Predator is action, definitely. Alien is more isolation than anything.

 

The first one is pure horror. But when I talk about Alien I usually am refering to both. (There's only 2 Alien films, the other 2 are a government lie to undermine the franchise's credibility).

[Goafer]

The main problem for me with a remake of Predator is that it was always some giant muscly marine bloke vs an unknown alien. There wasn't much need for anything else.

 

Firstly, name any action star that is as big and macho as Arnie. I can't think of a single one. I know disliking a film based on the physique of the main character is a weak arguement, but the overly macho appearance of the group in Predator gave it its 80s charm. I imagine that will get lost.

 

Plus the first film was simple. There is an Alien that wants to kill them. They must kill it first. That's it IIRC. I can't imagine the remake will be as simple. They'll shoe horn in some back story and probably make it some global threat. I pray there isn't a romantic subplot between the main character and the token female commando (probably played by Michelle Rodruigez or a woman who is too dainty to be any sort of soldier who ends up kicking everyones ass somehow).

 

 

I really don't like remakes. They can't really win. They can either stay faithful to the original and lose the modern audience since it hasn't aged well, or go with the modern audience and annoy the original fans. They usually end up somewhere in between and end up with a shit film.

[Fierce_LiNk]

The first one is pure horror. But when I talk about Alien I usually am refering to both. (There's only 2 Alien films, the other 2 are a government lie to undermine the franchise's credibility).

 

If I ever meet you, I'll poke you in the eye for disrespecting Alien3. It's good, maaaan. I love it.

 

The main problem for me with a remake of Predator is that it was always some giant muscly marine bloke vs an unknown alien. There wasn't much need for anything else.

 

Firstly, name any action star that is as big and macho as Arnie. I can't think of a single one. I know disliking a film based on the physique of the main character is a weak arguement, but the overly macho appearance of the group in Predator gave it its 80s charm. I imagine that will get lost.

 

Plus the first film was simple. There is an Alien that wants to kill them. They must kill it first. That's it IIRC. I can't imagine the remake will be as simple. They'll shoe horn in some back story and probably make it some global threat. I pray there isn't a romantic subplot between the main character and the token female commando (probably played by Michelle Rodruigez or a woman who is too dainty to be any sort of soldier who ends up kicking everyones ass somehow).

 

 

I really don't like remakes. They can't really win. They can either stay faithful to the original and lose the modern audience since it hasn't aged well, or go with the modern audience and annoy the original fans. They usually end up somewhere in between and end up with a shit film.

 

Dude, I applaud you for that post. You're right, it's not got a chance of pleasing everyone. I do think part of what makes Predator great is that 80s charm and feel. Plus, you know Arnie is in it, who is a God. There's not really any actor out there who I think can pull off the lead role.

 

Seriously, just give me what I want - Predator 3. NOT Predator One: Two. Predator 3! THREE! TROIS! Tri!

[Goafer]

There's not really any actor out there who I think can pull off the lead role.

 

The only person who I could think of who looks vaguely macho is The Rock or another wrestler. But they're too well groomed to be proper macho.

 

I swear to god, if one of the soldiers has a child back home they can't wait to see (a la Transformers), I'll walk out.

 

No back stories of the main characters, no romance, no global threat, no comedy character, just some macho blokes with big guns shooting up the jungle. And eventually actually hitting something.

 

Edit: oh and if Shea Lebouf is in it I'll refuse to even watch it.

Edited April 25, 2009 by Goafer

[Dan_Dare]

Predator is being remade?

 

if it bleeds, we can kill it.

[Fierce_LiNk]

The only person who I could think of who looks vaguely macho is The Rock or another wrestler. But they're too well groomed to be proper macho.

 

I swear to god, if one of the soldiers has a child back home they can't wait to see (a la Transformers), I'll walk out.

 

No back stories of the main characters, no romance, no global threat, no comedy character, just some macho blokes with big guns shooting up the jungle. And eventually actually hitting something.

 

Edit: oh and if Shea Lebouf is in it I'll refuse to even watch it.

 

You're right, the beauty of Predator is that it's just a macho action film. There's no love story, very little (intentional) comedy, and it is what it is...pure action goodness.

 

I think too many films try to give reasons behind everything. There is very little mystery left, nowadays. Take the Space Jockey from the first Alien film, the remains of that pilot in the Alien ship on that planet. It's there to add mystery. No-one has gone back to try and explain why it's there, it's left to the audience to decide.

 

Now, take something like the character of Michael Myers. He's a killing machine. If we found out exactly how to kill him, or why he is the way he is, it would kinda ruin the character. He's a reject from hell, just leave him at that.

 

The worst possible example is maybe Star Wars. When you see exactly why and how Anakin turns to the Dark Side, the original trilogy feels less special. All of the impact from hearing That line "I am your Father" is now lost. Some things are just best left alone.

[Oxigen_Waste]

Are you guys stupid or something? It's Rober Rodriguez!!! Desperado! Dusk till Dawn! Sin City! Planet Terror! He's going to take everything that was good about Predator and multiply it by 10!

 

And really, I get it that you hate remakes, because there's so many unnecessary ones out there, but this one I get. And personally, I'm hoping it's like Scarface.

 

Oh, and about Alien3, come on... there's no way around it's bad quality. Even Fincher disowned it!

[Fierce_LiNk]

Are you guys stupid or something? It's Rober Rodriguez!!! Desperado! Dusk till Dawn! Sin City! Planet Terror! He's going to take everything that was good about Predator and multiply it by 10!

 

And really, I get it that you hate remakes, because there's so many unnecessary ones out there, but this one I get. And personally, I'm hoping it's like Scarface.

 

I love the Rodriguez. But, like I've said, I think he's in the right street, but at the wrong house.

 

Just make Predator 3, and that'll be fine.

 

Edit: Well, the Alien3 we got was not the Alien3 that was originally meant to be. I've even read a finished script that is more like Aliens: The Sequel than it is Alien3, with Hicks, Newt and Bishop (even though he's still in the third, kinda) all alive. It was sweet, and I'm sad we'll never get to see that in film.

 

Actually, there have been dozens of changes that the film has had before it became the Alien3 we had now. Those changes are why Fincher is pissed, because he didn't get to truely create the film he wanted to make.

 

Is Alien3 bad, though? No way in hell, I love it. I love the feel of it, the characters, the "twist with Ripley" and the ending. It's brilliant. I think it's under-rated.

 

And, it's about a billion times better than Resurrection. Which just failed on so many levels.

Edited April 25, 2009 by Fierce_LiNk

[Goafer]

You're right, the beauty of Predator is that it's just a macho action film. There's no love story, very little (intentional) comedy, and it is what it is...pure action goodness.

 

I think too many films try to give reasons behind everything. There is very little mystery left, nowadays. Take the Space Jockey from the first Alien film, the remains of that pilot in the Alien ship on that planet. It's there to add mystery. No-one has gone back to try and explain why it's there, it's left to the audience to decide.

 

They did exactly that to the Bond films. They're no longer Bond films. Bond should never be in love. Ever. He's a 2 dimentional womanising character who was totally suave and everything. There was nothing else needed. He should have totally snuck in to the baddies hideout using some rad gadgets and off a few lackies with a watch mounted laser whilst saying things like "looks like your time was up", "Time for you to clock out" or something equally as badass. But no, he went and played poker like a tool. The only gadget was a defibrillator in the car. And even then he rolled the car like a total bellend. Seriously, if you can roll an Aston Martin after steering one way, then the other, then the other again, you need to retake the spy exam. Or a fucking driving test.

 

Unless they've made him totally rad in the most recent film? I didn't watch that after Casino Royale.

Edited April 25, 2009 by Goafer

[Paj!]

Alien 3 I quite like, but I resent the shit effects. The bit where it's running around the brown corridor near the end looks atrocious. And the pit of lava at the end look like it's from a cartoon.

 

It was an interesting way to take the series, and I appreciate it for that. Sometimes it seems a bit..silly? though.

 

Resurrection is a joy to watch. Actually makes me happy. It's so far removed from the other ones. It's enjoyable and pleasant a way to pass the time on a boring afternoon.