Wesley Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/17/147255&from=rss Oh noes.
Jasper Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/17/147255&from=rss Oh noes. No matter what that article says, it's always going to be a win-win situation for Apple. They'll always get more users using Safari, no matter what. But I found the Firefox-thing interesting: did Steve really not say anything about Firefox in his speech? I'm pretty sure that Safari will nibble of the results of Firefox. People who didn't want to switch to Firefox before, won't be switching to Safari. So Safari will mostly be used by the current Firefox market, in my opinion. Although I switched from Safari to Firefox. One more lost soul, Steve...
Wesley Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 Yeah, he showed a pie chart of the current internet browser usage and then showed his plan, which had Safari take something like 15% or 25% with the rest for IE.
That Guy Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 I think the idea is to make Safari the browser everyone switches to rather than Firefox.
Jasper Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 I think the idea is to make Safari the browser everyone switches to rather than Firefox. I doubt. The Firefox users are in search for a new browser or interested in the browser market. The reason IE7 is so popular is: it's delivered with your system, and people that don't care about browser still use it. All the rest is on Firefox, and those are interested in other browsers, too.
That Guy Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 I doubt. The Firefox users are in search for a new browser or interested in the browser market. The reason IE7 is so popular is: it's delivered with your system, and people that don't care about browser still use it. All the rest is on Firefox, and those are interested in other browsers, too. I think that's pretty much what I meant. "IE's crap I use Safari" rather than Firefox. Agreed about the IE thing. I mean, your average person just see's the big E on the desktop and knows that you click it to get onto the internet. Ask them what browser they're using, and they wont know what you're on about.
McPhee Posted June 17, 2007 Posted June 17, 2007 Trying Safari now. Quite fast so far The Fonts are crap It doesn't handle as well as firefox and isn't as pretty as IE7
AshMat Posted June 19, 2007 Posted June 19, 2007 I think that's pretty much what I meant. "IE's crap I use Safari" rather than Firefox. Agreed about the IE thing. I mean, your average person just see's the big E on the desktop and knows that you click it to get onto the internet. Ask them what browser they're using, and they wont know what you're on about. Yeah, when i first got our Windows 95 PC, and things always said "Browser Internet Explorer or Netscape" (what ever happened to that?) I had no idea what it meant, but i knew what IE was, jsut not the browser part. On my pc, because Opera's the main one, people are like "Where the hell's the internet?" And sometiems don't even recognise the new IE7 logo.
Emasher Posted June 20, 2007 Author Posted June 20, 2007 Yeah, when i first got our Windows 95 PC, and things always said "Browser Internet Explorer or Netscape" (what ever happened to that?) I had no idea what it meant, but i knew what IE was, jsut not the browser part. On my pc, because Opera's the main one, people are like "Where the hell's the internet?" And sometiems don't even recognise the new IE7 logo. a good response to that would be stored in millions of servers all around the world
Jasper Posted June 20, 2007 Posted June 20, 2007 Yeah, when i first got our Windows 95 PC, and things always said "Browser Internet Explorer or Netscape" (what ever happened to that?) I had no idea what it meant, but i knew what IE was, jsut not the browser part. On my pc, because Opera's the main one, people are like "Where the hell's the internet?" And sometiems don't even recognise the new IE7 logo. Proves that Microsoft used their monopoly on an intelligent way.L But that's slowly coming to a halt. Since most of the users of a PC will be younger and younger people that are wilingl to make the transistion, more different browsers will get their chance. Bummer nobody uses Opera, really. But I didn't like Opera:mac for one bit, actually. And about the IE7 logo: I seem to have noticed a lot of people have that problem. You can't blame them, it went from all blue E to blue e with golden bar through it, wich makes recognition harder (no, really, adding a colour is really a hard thing,k certainly since all-of-a-sudden you can see that swaye thing around the E, wich was never there before in such an obvious way). By the Way, netscape died a silent dead (it was the only browser that you had to pay for) and was followed by a project codenamed 'netscape'. They used the same codebase and relaunched the browser under the codename that Netscape had itself in it's lifetime: Mozilla. They called it firebird and later the well known firefox.
Marshmellow Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 On my pc, because Opera's the main one, people are like "Where the hell's the internet?" I get that sometimes from people. *Love it*:awesome:
Emasher Posted June 25, 2007 Author Posted June 25, 2007 Proves that Microsoft used their monopoly on an intelligent way.L But that's slowly coming to a halt. Since most of the users of a PC will be younger and younger people that are wilingl to make the transistion, more different browsers will get their chance. Bummer nobody uses Opera, really. But I didn't like Opera:mac for one bit, actually. And about the IE7 logo: I seem to have noticed a lot of people have that problem. You can't blame them, it went from all blue E to blue e with golden bar through it, wich makes recognition harder (no, really, adding a colour is really a hard thing,k certainly since all-of-a-sudden you can see that swaye thing around the E, wich was never there before in such an obvious way). By the Way, netscape died a silent dead (it was the only browser that you had to pay for) and was followed by a project codenamed 'netscape'. They used the same codebase and relaunched the browser under the codename that Netscape had itself in it's lifetime: Mozilla. They called it firebird and later the well known firefox. opera isn't my personal choice mostly because the mac version sucks i remember firebird i used to use it sometimes when i first switched from classic to osx because safari wasn't as stable back then.
Caris Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Oh i know why they are doing it, it just seems like a battle that they are loosing. Maybe Safari for Windows will sort this, maybe not. At the moment SlimBrowser is the best for a basic clutter free browser in Windows, will be interesting to see how Safari compares Slim browser is terrible...
KKOB Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 I'm on it now on the computer downstairs-very old computer- and it's surprised me with how well it works, it looks alright though the bit where it says the title of the page is too big and should be squished into the menu bar.
Raining_again Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 It always fills me with suspision having to give me email address to download something. Some silly add on programs i really don't want (but then which programs DON'T come with this) My mouse froze for over a minute when it installed. It won't maximize on my 2nd monitor - it minimizes itself instead (?!?!) A bit of a pain to change the size in the wee corner only. The predictive text in the address bar is a pain. I don't like the buttons. Ew to the tabs. I know which i prefer:
AeroScap Posted July 1, 2007 Posted July 1, 2007 It looks ok on vista.. but it wont maximise on my 2nd monitor.. and it doesnt have mouse gestures *cries*
Emasher Posted July 1, 2007 Author Posted July 1, 2007 The Fonts are crap change them on the preferences
Charlie Posted July 2, 2007 Posted July 2, 2007 I still prefer Opera over any other browser. Load up times really don't bother me as Opera is always open on my dock anyway. It's a good alternative for PC users though.
KKOB Posted July 2, 2007 Posted July 2, 2007 I wish Safari Beta on the mac had the plastic look of the windows one-grrrrrr They really need to add Aero glass to the vista version-that would keep it fitting in and that pic of IE 7 on vista is fugly imo.
RoadKill Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Slim browser is terrible... Only if you download it and evaluate in the default state with all the toolbars on, take like 5 minutes to clean away the clutter and you end up with a browser as clean as you like with a bunch of unique functionality you need extensions for in Firefox
Choze Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 Opera is the best. In all the tests it comes out on top which is why competitors never mention it. Safari seems pretty weak so far. Whats worse is that it seems ot have more security issues than IE or Firefox do. IE like it or not has improved alot lately. MS are also getting better at security.
Emasher Posted July 12, 2007 Author Posted July 12, 2007 Opera is the best. In all the tests it comes out on top which is why competitors never mention it. Safari seems pretty weak so far. Whats worse is that it seems ot have more security issues than IE or Firefox do. IE like it or not has improved alot lately. MS are also getting better at security. what tests would that be safari is pretty secure
Choze Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 safari is pretty secure Not on windows. But i guess you could pretend its perfect like some of the apple fans.
Emasher Posted July 17, 2007 Author Posted July 17, 2007 maybe its just a few bugs in the beta, are you sure you don't mean stable
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