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In creating Splatoon and Cpt Toad they are definitely giving some diversity... but I'd not say admirable, only because they could offer up even more diversity from within their own catalogue of IP (the numerate games I'd listed earlier). As opposed to releasing so many platformers and party games they could have released a couple off that list. That's my gripe. Also, the fact they messed up and lost 3rd Party support is Nintendo's own fault, so they have to accept any complaints regarding the console as a whole not having enough diversity. I agree with this point. Gameplay should come first and foremost (some may be shocked at me saying this given my stance on online features, I can elaborate via PM if you wish to ask me about this). That was why I didn't rate The Last of Us that highly... although that discussion is in The Last of Us thread.

People on the street will not recognise Link... most people on the street think he's Zelda!

I've just had an email saying there's no plans for a retail release, still digital only.

Battalion Wars, 1080 and Earthbound would still offer something to the console's library though, more diversity. You can't argue that. Also, you're talking about characters there, not franchises. Yoshi may be loved, as is Kirby, but their games will not sell more than the Halo, Gears, God of War, Uncharted etc. franchises. The franchises of the competition are more loved by the majority of gamers today, that's the truth. I'm not saying I love them more but the majority of gamers do. Sales prove it.

But they're not really using them! Where's the new F-Zero, Waverace, 1080, Excite series, Metroid, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, Battalion Wars? There are plenty of franchises that would add so much to the console that they're just sitting on. Also, what on earth makes you think the competitors don't have franchises that are world renowned and loved?! Of course they do! All you need do is look at games sales for franchises to see they're more loved than Nintendo's these days. You'd only argue out of blind love for defending them though. I could argue terrorism is good... but I'd be wrong. I'm only joking Serebii... partly, haha. I agree that they given diversity themselves with Splatoon and Cpt Toad.

That's fair enough then, we're making slightly different points... but yours goes to prove my second point which is diversity amongst Nintendo's, and the console as a whole, output. Their lack of diversity in games they're releasing may be the reason why they're losing more and more of their core fanbase with each passing generation. Also, of the games I listed, they were all released within the first 2.5 years of the Gamecube's lifespan. Killer 7 and Resident Evil 4 being the exceptions, although REmake was released within that timeframe. So halving the GC's list wouldn't make a difference.

If this happened, what I think Nintendo should do is make it so that the online could be cross platform. So those playing the WiiU versions online could race/fight against those playing the NX versions.

Oh my word, the final few pages of this week's One Piece chapter!

The Gamecube had shooters, so you could say Timesplitters 2, for example, was it's Splatoon equivalent (this is the hardest given Splatoon's unique nature, it's arguable there is no equivalent). It had platformers, so DKC, Yoshi and Mario are covered. For Hyrule Warriors, it had Mystic Heroes which was the same type of game. So basically it had equivalents on them. The WiiU doesn't have a broad enough spectrum of games really. On the list you posted, of 26 games, 7 are platformers and 5 are party-style minigame compilations. Almost half of the list belong to just 2 genres. That was my point.

@Eddage, I don't necessarily think your taste has changed since the Gamecube days. Think of the list of games for the WiiU there... where are the equivalents to the Metroid Primes, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evils, Viewtiful Joe, Killer 7, F-Zero GX, Wave Race, 1080 Avalanche... you know what? This list could go on for an age!!!

Nintendo X-Rated..? It's going to be a sex-machine that harkens back to their days of having Sex Hotels? It might sell a little better than the WiiU but I don't think I'd buy one. ...who am I kidding, of course I would! Haha

I've found the WiiU a mixed bag. At first it was happy with it, games were being released and they were fun, but as the WiiU's life continued droughts came about, 3rd Party released stopped, Nintendo made mis-steps with their multiplayer games and didn't relase enough of their catalogue to give the console diversity. Nobody here is to blame for complaining. It's nobody's fault but Nintendo's that the console has gone the way it has. Still, when it first released I loved the console and was looking forward to games which unfortunately simply didn't live up to their potential for me. Anyhoo, 10 million is a milestone for them, it's important it made it out of single million figures, but it goes to show that Nintendo's core fanbase is shrinking. They need to cater better to them to keep them onboard.

This is different to what I recall. Cube-Europe was a great place to discuss the console, the GC was loved here! I don't recall bad vibes at all!

It has some gems on it, there's definitely fun to be had with the console. Unfortunately for me Nintendo haven't provided me with as much fun as their other consoles. It would've been great if they'd drawn from their rich catalogue of games to give us a little more diversity on the console though... namely Metroid and Waverace for me, I love them... but there are plenty more too of course. I think what makes me feel so down about the WiiU is that I still feel the Wii was a lot better. It had better games, a bigger diversity in software, a bigger and better online community and better online features in Nintendo's own games and a bigger number of games from Nintendo's library. There were many more magic moments with the Wii than there have been with the WiiU! In some ways I still feel I'm waiting for the successor to the Wii, the WiiU doesn't feel to be that and so I feel let down and a little ripped off by it.

So I see the WiiU has finally sold 10 million units. I don't see it doing much more really... Nintendo dropped the ball completely with this console. I really hope they step up their game with the next one or it's going to do even worse.

The bucket looks to be a fairly interesting weapon... is it a 1 or maybe 2 hit kill, I couldn't tell there? Could be a handy weapon for splatting people on the tower on Tower Control...

I'm playing this intermittently at the moment as I've no real drive to put it on. The August update will change that and I'll game more often but not religiously I'd imagine... and I'd not commit to a fixed night, but I'd always see when I'm free and post when I'm heading on. I'd be looking to Skype with the party matchmaking for sure!

Ignore the rest of my post as usual of course, the actual crux of the matter. It's why you appear to troll. Granted, I should learn and shouldn't bite.

There is no "hiding behind" an opinion @Ronnie... it's a bloody opinion, you don't hide behind them, you state them! The problem with you is you don't post subjectively. Look on the Splatoon thread, both Serebii and Dud disagreed with me but they weren't in the slightest bit antagonistic whereas you were! Approach things differently and arguments won't go back and forth!

Here's where you're wrong. Whether I find something botched or you think it's great is all opinion. Neither of us our wrong in these cases, but what you've said there is incorrect. You don't have to sit back and just enjoy it. It's up to the person whatever they do. They don't have to do anything. They could not play it, trade it in, sell it, snap it in half, complain... it's entirely up to them. They could also enjoy it, play it, sing it's praises. ...but they don't HAVE TO sit back and enjoy it. Just because you don't like seeing people vent frustrations, it doesn't mean they can't.

I'm aware how good the game is Ronnie, but it could (and should, in this day and age) be better... and I'd not call it one of their most polished when you consider just how botched Battle Mode is! Your obsession with my gripes is a bit unnerving.

It is believable... because it's not great. Opinions. You know you could be like Serebii and not be antagonistic about it..? It's taking up about 90% of my gaming time at the moment itself (although I'm in a gaming lull at the moment). It is still fun, I've not disputed that, and won't do. I just find it annoying/frustrating with Nintendo's design decisions as much as I find it fun. One of my biggest gripes still is this: I join friends, play a couple matches and now want to change weapon/clothing. I have to back out, change, re-join and sit there waiting for a space to open up and then a game to finish, when I could easily do that in much less than 10 seconds in the lobby. For someone who likes to change weapons/clothing often, this is a HUGE frustration!

It's all opinion anyhow, it's as fair for me to call it botched as others to call it amazing.

Maybe they're making this game not as good as it should be on purpose so that the sequel betters it, when it finally becomes a complete game and not a botched effort..?

The quality was still there in MKWii... just not as high quality. But my point was to say that it wasn't unpolished. The fact that Nintendo have taken a step backwards online with MK8 could be argued that MK8 isn't as polished as it should be.