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The right stick on the Wii U Pro controller is above the ABXY buttons. Now the Switch Pro controller has put the right stick below those buttons. All three manufacturers now place the right stick below the buttons. There's a reason for that.

Sorry, but it really isn't. You're talking to someone who has spent thousands of hours playing competitively online with various controllers over the years too. The right hand side Wii U Pro buttons aren't even laid out sensibly, hence why they have U turned with the Switch pad and reorganised the stick and buttons. The battery is the best thing about it. And to repeat myself, I did not make this initial comparison.

I didn't make the comparison. Look back; Ronnie specifically mentioned the 'just released' (v2) dualshock, which has just come out, and is £40. The PS4 controller is an extremely solid pad. By comparison, the Wii U Pro controller is not. Looking at the Switch Pro controller, it looks quite similar to the Wii U one in terms of design so I'm questioning that £65 tag. NFC and the like do not justify it. Especially given the cost of the other peripherals, I would expect a price closer to 50.

The v2 PS4 controller is £40 at Tesco. What's the cheapest the Switch Pro controller is selling for? I'm willing to bet quite a bit more for what will be a lower build quality pad (going by what the Wii U Pro controller was like).

No but it is a pretty good indicator of whether your preferred console is going to be dropped by developers like a hot scone.

Yeah it's the best Dragon Quest game there is.

It's clearly all been rushed. They don't have the network information ready because they're rushed a launch window (hence why there was a "will it make launch" question of Zelda). That's why I'm betting there is no network service properly in place to begin with (hence the mention of a trial), and why there's so few launch games. You ask for patience and say the information will come just before launch...what good is that? The sites have all sold out pretty much by now. Thus, people have no chance of making an informed purchase, just an impulse one.

But what about the 28 quid charging controller shell? Bear in mind you get the exact same shell as the one you must pay for, just without the wiring for it to charge the controllers. You say gamers are irrational but I think hardcore Nintendo fans are very irrational. This has just a few games at launch, Zelda is 20 quid more expensive compared to Wii U, it's 280 quid at launch and if you want a charging cradle that's 28 quid...and we don't know the online details other than you will pay for it, despite launch being just over a month away. Sink 280 on something where online details are unknown! I'd say it's irrational to buy this without question rather than point out everything I just said.

I wouldn't pay 94 dollars for it, never mind that being cost price. It was like a Fisher Price toy.

Because it just does. That's the first thing I thought...and I've seen others say it too. Something about the low detail style of the buildings.

Yeah that is a point. Still annoying if you're not a diligent charger though.

That's correct. The only way to charge the joy-cons without a charging grip is to put them on the side of the Switch. If you were viewing your game on the TV you'd have to either switch to handheld mode or stop playing, basically. A really daft choice of Nintendo.

It's 330 euros on Amazon France, £290. What were you saying about Brexit?

Correct, you can't carry on playing unless you stop and put them on the side of the system every now and then. Given these controllers are so expensive it's not like you can just buy a spare either. I think it's a really cheeky cash grab - they're giving you the exact same plastic controller shell with the console just without whatever wiring needs to go in there to actually charge the system. It couldn't have cost them much at all to add the charging version to the pack.

The worst bit is that the console comes with a regular grip which is exactly the same as the charging grip except it doesn't charge the controllers.

Grey. I first saw the multiple colours and thought they looked cool...but the more I've looked at them the less I liked them. Would be better if all the same colour and the frame of the actual console matched.

Happy Birthday.

Well, it's confirmed that the Switch doesn't come with the charging grip - you need to buy the 28 quid charging grip separately to charge spares. Source Can't see them throwing a 28 quid peripheral in with additional joy cons your purchase to be honest.

I know what you mean. On paper nobody should be touching this thing right now - £280, £60 game, threadbare launch, unconfirmed long-term party support, potentially lacking online features. And yet...it's a shiny gadget that's meant to be very solidly built, plus Zelda...

It's only a matter of time - Switch is their next handheld after all.

Holy fucking, fucking shit. Unbelievable. A bulky headset! What on Earth is this guy talking about?!! Why would anyone in their right minds want to do this via a phone at a cost?? Once again we learn how out of touch he and Nintendo are, and once again this still surprises me.

For the price, I'm gonna go with utter bollocks tbh.

Puh-rice-ooh point-ooh!

I have a preorder with Amazon, probably one of the first to preorder. Not planning to keep it unless Nintendo do some mad Xbox shit, reversing policies and procedures left right and center. I like the system (being a big Vita and indie fan) but the price and launch lineup is ridiculous. Completely unjustifiable. The online also sounds really poor. Quite disappointed all in all.

As I've said to others, I reckon it's the ambassador program all over again. Try their luck with the fans to begin with, then drop the price dramatically a few months down the line and offer a few free games. I like the console but the price, features and games seem like madness. Such a shame. I think people comparing this to phones as a way of justifying the price are kidding themselves. It's not a phone, it's a games console, so inevitably it will be compared to other games consoles. It's very expensive.