Cube Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 People our age tend to not see it as much, but the younger portion of the audience, as well as the Japanese side. It's still huge. But the younger audience is now much more accustomed to sharing things online from home, rather than socially. It's a completely different generation of kids.
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 But the younger audience is now much more accustomed to sharing things online from home, rather than socially. It's a completely different generation of kids. Perhaps, but the social aspect of taking it with you is still ridiculously strong. That's why the games have both rather than one or the other. Cutting it out would be disastrous.
Ike Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I do agree that we should get a Stadium-esque game though Trouble with that though is that the main appeal of the Stadium games was "see your Pokemon in 3D!". They've kind of lost that now. Unless it looks like "Pokkin Fighters" then I won't complain. :p They would need to have some sort of new hook. Having a full blown Pokemon RPG on a home console always sounded terrible to me though. I don't want to go through a cave of Zubats or breeding/EV training while tied to a TV. It's boring enough on a handheld but at least I can watch TV or something else while doing it. I'm not much of a console gamer these days which doesn't help.
Pestneb Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 The thing with MH3U is that the home console one provided online, which the 3DS one lacked. With Pokémon, it has that on the 3DS, so why bother with a home console version? It would bring NOTHING to the table except potentially placating internet hysteria demanding Pokémon deviate from its entirce concept Could they not make it an inter compatible game though? +/- links to x/y. Pokemon are version agnostic (idk if they could sort it so pokemon on +/- could then work with x/y?) You can transfer pokemon between adventures. Those who enjoy the portability of x/y could keep that, taking pokemon from +/- with them through x/y. It could also encourage x/y owners who don't own a Wii U to jump aboard, so as not to miss out on exclusive pokemon? With the ideas floating around of next gen Nintendo being a home console hub with a handheld standalone, this could be a step towards preparing for that? Never the less... I find this information doesn't sit right. it looks too crafted, in terms of mistakes.
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Trouble with that though is that the main appeal of the Stadium games was "see your Pokemon in 3D!". They've kind of lost that now. Unless it looks like "Pokkin Fighters" then I won't complain. :p They would need to have some sort of new hook. Having a full blown Pokemon RPG on a home console always sounded terrible to me though. I don't want to go through a cave of Zubats or breeding/EV training while tied to a TV. It's boring enough on a handheld but at least I can watch TV or something else while doing it. I'm not much of a console gamer these days which doesn't help. See your Pokémon in HD! :p Your second paragraph is another reason why it's a bad idea, though it's less of an issue with off-tv play. Could they not make it an inter compatible game though?+/- links to x/y. Pokemon are version agnostic (idk if they could sort it so pokemon on +/- could then work with x/y?) You can transfer pokemon between adventures. Those who enjoy the portability of x/y could keep that, taking pokemon from +/- with them through x/y. It could also encourage x/y owners who don't own a Wii U to jump aboard, so as not to miss out on exclusive pokemon? With the ideas floating around of next gen Nintendo being a home console hub with a handheld standalone, this could be a step towards preparing for that? Never the less... I find this information doesn't sit right. it looks too crafted, in terms of mistakes. No, because they'e still separate games and they still cut off a major part of the entire point of the franchise.
Ramar Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I just see no reason to waste resources on that. The development costs would drastically increase for very little returns. It makes no business or logical sense. Plus, surely people would then complain about it being the same game, not built for a console etc. The thing with MH3U is that the home console one provided online, which the 3DS one lacked. With Pokémon, it has that on the 3DS, so why bother with a home console version? It would bring NOTHING to the table except potentially placating internet hysteria demanding Pokémon deviate from its entirce concept I said similar not exactly the same. I'm sure people on here could brainstorm some interesting features to differentiate the home and portable game, but still keep your same team. So I guess the people at Gamefreak could put some together.
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I said similar not exactly the same. I'm sure people on here could brainstorm some interesting features to differentiate the home and portable game, but still keep your same team. So I guess the people at Gamefreak could put some together. Interesting enough to offset the fact that it would kill one of the major facets of the game? I'm intrigued.
Zechs Merquise Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Nintendo need to do something. A full HD remake of Red and Blue would probably be enough to seriously boost Wii U sales. But there's no reason other than nostalgia for trading in the playground to stop Pokemon moving to a home console! We live in a connected world. Nintendo have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot with the Wii U by ignoring online options. Nintendo Land would have been twice the game with online and the omission of online in Pikmin 3 was ridiculous. We've also seen numerous platformers that have lacked the option. It's time Nintendo stopped living in this time warp. I don't play Pokemon, but if I did I would only be interested in battling or trading online. Nintendo need to ditch their frankly ridiculous and quaint view of gamers all huddled around one TV, it's not the N64 era anymore, times have changed!
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I can't think of one thing that ONLY works on handheld and can't be moved over with a little creative thinking. It'd be easy to send your 6 Pokemon to your 3ds and still have battles out and about and then upload it back to the Wii u. I just don't understand the aversion to it and actually feel ninte do would benefit greatly from it, a huge anime styled rpg on the Wii u would be amazing. Can't believe you WOULDNT want it.
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I can't think of one thing that ONLY works on handheld and can't be moved over with a little creative thinking. It'd be easy to send your 6 Pokemon to your 3ds and still have battles out and about and then upload it back to the Wii u. I just don't understand the aversion to it and actually feel ninte do would benefit greatly from it, a huge anime styled rpg on the Wii u would be amazing. Can't believe you WOULDNT want it. Because that would then warrant people having to purchase multiple games. With the Pokémon versions, they don't actually want you to buy it. There is literally ZERO reason for Pokémon to go on home console other than "Oh it should be...it'd be cool". Want online features? Well X & Y have that, fully. As did Black & White, Black 2 & White 2, Diamond & Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold & SoulSilver. The only thing a home console can offer that handheld cannot is shinier graphics, at the expense of portability, which is not a valid, nor logical tradeoff. Nintendo need to do something. A full HD remake of Red and Blue would probably be enough to seriously boost Wii U sales. But there's no reason other than nostalgia for trading in the playground to stop Pokemon moving to a home console! We live in a connected world. Nintendo have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot with the Wii U by ignoring online options. Nintendo Land would have been twice the game with online and the omission of online in Pikmin 3 was ridiculous. We've also seen numerous platformers that have lacked the option. It's time Nintendo stopped living in this time warp. I don't play Pokemon, but if I did I would only be interested in battling or trading online. Nintendo need to ditch their frankly ridiculous and quaint view of gamers all huddled around one TV, it's not the N64 era anymore, times have changed! Well, thankfully, this isn't Nintendo's decision. Even if it was, they wouldn't do something that would fundamentally go against the entire point and premise of the franchise.
Cube Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 There is literally ZERO reason for Pokémon to go on home console other than "Oh it should be...it'd be cool". There are massive financial reasons to do so.
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Because that would then warrant people having to purchase multiple games. With the Pokémon versions, they don't actually want you to buy it. I don't actually know what you're saying here. There is literally ZERO reason for Pokémon to go on home console other than "Oh it should be...it'd be cool". - Well they need people to buy the WIi U, an epic Pokemon RPG on the Wii U would do that. - The sheer size and scope of what you could do on the wii u compared to 3DS is probably more than ten fold. - The colosseum games and the desire for them shows Poke fans want to see their pokemon in huge shiny graphical lights. - It would introduce prokemon to host of new players who don't play handleld games - It would instantly freshen up the series, hasn't it been the same game since it's conception pretty much?! A more cinematic RPG with Anime cut scenes could be incredible There's a few for you! Now tell me what JUST having it on a handheld does
Pestneb Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Serebii, the main premise of this game is what, exchanging pokemon, or battling? in terms of trading pokemon, nfc + pokemon cards. in terms of battling... why not have a colloseum type game for the 3ds? maybe even keep it cheap? the pokemon cards could work with the Augmented reality program in 3ds... imagine a small group of pokemon having a epic battle on a school desk... In effect +/- would just be an adventure you could play through with your pokemon. Possibly, instead of your pokemon themselves upgrading, your ability as a trainer would improve, allowing you to get the best out of each of your pokemon...?
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 There are massive financial reasons to do so. Increased development costs with reduced userbase due to lacking a core feature? Ok.
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Increased development costs with reduced userbase due to lacking a core feature? Ok. Lacking a core feature? What does that mean?
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) I don't actually know what you're saying here. - Well they need people to buy the WIi U, an epic Pokemon RPG on the Wii U would do that. - The sheer size and scope of what you could do on the wii u compared to 3DS is probably more than ten fold. - The colosseum games and the desire for them shows Poke fans want to see their pokemon in huge shiny graphical lights. - It would introduce prokemon to host of new players who don't play handleld games - It would instantly freshen up the series, hasn't it been the same game since it's conception pretty much?! A more cinematic RPG with Anime cut scenes could be incredible There's a few for you! Now tell me what JUST having it on a handheld does - That's not relevant. Just because they need people to buy a console has no bearing on whether or not a different company is going to develop a game for a series they control - Not entirely. Sure, the "scope" could be bigger, but it wouldn't be that much - Colosseum, PBR etc. did not sell nor review well - Not likely - No, it really hasn't been the same game since it's conception. I hate it when people say that. You could say the same for absolutely every game series using that logic. Also, cinematic games are awful, in my view, so I will never support that Lacking a core feature? What does that mean? A large reason of why Pokémon is so popular, why it took off and what it was designed around, is the aspect of carrying the games withyou, making it a very social experience. While online has aided this, that aspect has remained and is still very big with the younger audience, and huge in Japan. A home console game would lack this main feature. It'd be like a Mario game without the jump button. Serebii, the main premise of this game is what, exchanging pokemon, or battling? in terms of trading pokemon, nfc + pokemon cards. in terms of battling... why not have a colloseum type game for the 3ds? maybe even keep it cheap? the pokemon cards could work with the Augmented reality program in 3ds... imagine a small group of pokemon having a epic battle on a school desk... In effect +/- would just be an adventure you could play through with your pokemon. Possibly, instead of your pokemon themselves upgrading, your ability as a trainer would improve, allowing you to get the best out of each of your pokemon...? 1. No. GameFreak are highly against forcing kids to buy Pokémon for their games. This is why we won't be seeing paid DLC 2. Colosseum, Stadium and Battle Revolution were built around the idea of battling with your Pokémon in 3D. That is now standard in the games so is no longer relevant 3. Yeah, I was actually expecting this with X & Y. === This argument is moot anyway, as the people who run the entire franchise have outright said on countless occasions that it is not happening. Even if Nintendo wanted it to, it's not their decision. Edited March 6, 2014 by Serebii Automerged Doublepost
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 - That's not relevant. Just because they need people to buy a console has no bearing on whether or not a different company is going to develop a game for a series they control- Not entirely. Sure, the "scope" could be bigger, but it wouldn't be that much - Colosseum, PBR etc. did not sell nor review well - Not likely - No, it really hasn't been the same game since it's conception. I hate it when people say that. You could say the same for absolutely every game series using that logic. Also, cinematic games are awful, in my view, so I will never support that None of those are genuine rebuttals just personal opinion. I think they'll do it, and it could be the thing to save the wii u Thought you'd be happy!
Agent Gibbs Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 This argument is moot anyway, as the people who run the entire franchise have outright said on countless occasions that it is not happening. Even if Nintendo wanted it to, it's not their decision. Quote/source 5 Secretly hoping for a situation like on Family Guy where Stewie challenges Brian to name songs with womens name and he reals off 50ish :p
Retro_Link Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 People could trade online, via NFC pokemon cards or figurines, or via a 3DS companion app, or something like the Wii Fit meter in the shape of a Pokeball or something, that comes with the game. Simple.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted March 6, 2014 Author Posted March 6, 2014 The ONLY reason PBR, Coliseum etc didnt sell in vast amounts was because they were mostly half-arsed games. Serebii, I dont believe they didnt sell so well because 'it didnt work.' - thats just getting lame now.
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 A large reason of why Pokémon is so popular, why it took off and what it was designed around, is the aspect of carrying the games withyou, making it a very social experience. While online has aided this, that aspect has remained and is still very big with the younger audience, and huge in Japan. A home console game would lack this main feature. It'd be like a Mario game without the jump button. That is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever posted, particularly that last bit. Surely collecting pokemon themselves would be like mario without jump, not just moving it to a home console. 1. That was why it was originally designed. IN THE MID 90'S!!!!!! 2. People can still carry pokemon around, they can move their pokemon to their 3DS's and trade and battle!! So not, it wouldn't lack it...
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 None of those are genuine rebuttals just personal opinion. I think they'll do it, and it could be the thing to save the wii u Thought you'd be happy! I know that they won't though.
dazzybee Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 I know that they won't though. Haha. We'll all quote you on that. i think it would be the best business decision they could make, and if made with the quality of Ni No Kuni then would please ALL poke fans, even you
Serebii Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Quote/source 5 Secretly hoping for a situation like on Family Guy where Stewie challenges Brian to name songs with womens name and he reals off 50ish :p http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/9/17/3348288/pokemon http://gamerant.com/main-pokemon-games-home-consoles-riley-84028/ http://www.whattheyplay.com/features/meeting-the-creators-of-pokemon-platinum/ http://mashable.com/2013/09/20/pokemon-x-y-director/ http://nintendoeverything.com/masuda-still-not-in-favor-of-a-mainline-pokemon-rpg-for-wii-u/ “The series was built around the idea of trading Pokemon, trading these creatures, and everything we designed about the games was based on that concept. That trading aspect was also to promote communication between people, and really, you need the handheld to be able to go places in real life, meet people, easily trade and battle with them. I think that’s the reason we designed them on the handheld; it’s really important to Pokemon.” Can't provide a link to about Nintendo not deciding, but the decision about what games to proceed with is dependant upon Junichi Masuda, who directs and runs the main series, and Tsunekazu Ishihara, who is the CEO of The Pokémon Company. This was recently confirmed during the Japanese television programme "The Professionals", which focused on him. That special was the first to actually reveal Pokémon Battle Trozei and Great Detective Pikachu. Both of them have spoken out about making Pokémon a console game, and have said that it will remain handheld. People could trade online, via NFC pokemon cards or figurines, or via a 3DS companion app, or something like the Wii Fit meter in the shape of a Pokeball or something, that comes with the game. Simple. Nope. Masuda is completely against having people "buy Pokémon" outside of the purchase of the main title. A companion app or "meter" would also create an issue. First, that would mean that they'd have to know specifically what Pokémon to transfer to it ahead of time, which is a bit ridiculous. It would also prevent battling if on a meter. That is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever posted, particularly that last bit. Surely collecting pokemon themselves would be like mario without jump, not just moving it to a home console. 1. That was why it was originally designed. IN THE MID 90'S!!!!!! 2. People can still carry pokemon around, they can move their pokemon to their 3DS's and trade and battle!! So not, it wouldn't lack it... See above ==== Come on guys, you can question my statements about Wii U easily, but with Pokémon there is no greater authority on the Internet. I have to know all this, I have to know what the developers say, how they think, how things are decided etc.. It's essentially my job. I live and breathe Pokémon. Edited March 6, 2014 by Serebii
Cube Posted March 6, 2014 Posted March 6, 2014 Increased development costs with reduced userbase due to lacking a core feature? Ok. You seem to be under the impression that this would replace a handheld game. If it was in addition to one, it would be a better financial move than releasing 2 handheld ones shortly after each other. Come on guys, you can question my statements about Wii U easily, but with Pokémon there is no greater authority on the Internet. I have to know all this, I have to know what the developers say, how they think, how things are decided etc.. It's essentially my job. I live and breathe Pokémon. You can be the "greatest authority" on anything and still get stuff about it wrong.
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