[game thread] High Risk High Reward mafia

[Yvonne]

So you are planning on killing tonight? On every night?

[Diageo]

See, I told you he doesn't pay attention. He thinks he can be blocked and that he has a power that gathers information.

[The Peeps]

To hand in my target each night, not look suspicious to either side. Thats about what i plan on doing at present.

 

So you're planning to kill someone every night?

[Mr-Paul]

I'm wondering if there's any sort of kill priority thing - if two people target each other to die, do they both die? Or does the first to send in their target prevail? And if someone (1) has targeted to kill someone (3), but someone else (2) kills them (1) that night too, does the kill effectively roleblock (1), saving (3)?

[Diageo]

I'd say there's no priority and everyone dies that is targeted. Everyone shoots at the same time and all the targets fall.

[Yvonne]

Diageo is right I think; mafiascum run it that way generally and this game is very MS style.

[Jonnas]

Jimbob's post makes me think he's a terrorist that doesn't fully understand what the town can do.

 

Vote: Jimbob

[Yvonne]

If nothing changes, I'll be voting for Jimbob before the day ends.

[Sheikah]

Didn't say that, hand in a target and see what the result is. That's if i get a result, who knows could be blocked.

 

Ah come on man, you didn't even read the opening post. We can only kill, not roleblock/protect etc, and you will only submit a target if you want to kill.

 

Jimbob's post makes me think he's a terrorist that doesn't fully understand what the town can do.

 

Vote: Jimbob

 

I agree, I think the longer you let Jimbob live past D1 the more you enable him to act this way. We need people who are inquisitive and informed, not guys who don't even know what's going on (or pretending not to, badly).

 

Vote: Jimbob

[Jimbob]

I plan on sending in a target if i believe someone is suspicious. I'm not revealing my alignment to clear my name, as it will help either side right away. Ah well, i think i'm dead. Some of the votes are down due to my previous inactivity thats for certain. Which isn't exactly fair.

[Rummy]

Ah come on man, you didn't even read the opening post. We can only kill, not roleblock/protect etc,

 

Oh, the irony.

 

Look at it like this;

 

Jimbob's mafia - he kills someone; likely someone else who would be killed

Jimbob's town - he kills someone, likely someone else who would be killed

 

Now, we lynch jimbob - less people to be killed by other players, means higher chance of killing a town. If Jimbob's town and you lynch, there's more chance of someone hitting another townie instead of jimbob. If he's mafia and you lynch, it's actually still more chance of hitting a townie. If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be killing tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying.

 

I think that makes sense.

 

Essentially, lynching him because we want him out of the game is actually the worst thing to do, imo.

[DuD]

Lynch: Rummy :p

[Sméagol]

Vote count

 

Jimbob [5]: Cube / Diageo / Jon Dedede / Jonnas / Sheikah

Yvonne [1]: Tales

No lynch [2]: Magnus Peterson / Jimbob

 

Absolute majority is 7.

Majority has not been reached.

 

Deadline is 17-05-2013 00:00 CET (16-05-2013 23:00 UK)

 

Lynch: Rummy :p

I’m assuming I shouldn’t count this, correct?

Edited May 14, 2013 by Sméagol

[Diageo]

Oh, the irony.

 

Look at it like this;

 

Jimbob's mafia - he kills someone; likely someone else who would be killed

Jimbob's town - he kills someone, likely someone else who would be killed

 

Now, we lynch jimbob - less people to be killed by other players, means higher chance of killing a town. If Jimbob's town and you lynch, there's more chance of someone hitting another townie instead of jimbob. If he's mafia and you lynch, it's actually still more chance of hitting a townie. If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be killing tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying.

 

I think that makes sense.

 

Essentially, lynching him because we want him out of the game is actually the worst thing to do, imo.

Are you just throwing words together and hoping people just agree with you.

 

If jimbob is mafia we want him killed, you seriously think he should remain alive?

[Sheikah]

Oh, the irony.

 

Look at it like this;

 

Jimbob's mafia - he kills someone; likely someone else who would be killed

Jimbob's town - he kills someone, likely someone else who would be killed

 

Now, we lynch jimbob - less people to be killed by other players, means higher chance of killing a town. If Jimbob's town and you lynch, there's more chance of someone hitting another townie instead of jimbob. If he's mafia and you lynch, it's actually still more chance of hitting a townie. If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be killing tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying.

 

I think that makes sense.

 

Essentially, lynching him because we want him out of the game is actually the worst thing to do, imo.

 

Actually if you lynch Jimbob and he's a townie then there is a reduced chance of killing a townie at night (owing to adjusted ratio of town to Mafia players). Albeit there will still be more chance of killing a townie as you said.

 

Anyway the part of my post you quoted has been ripped out of context - I was originally responding to Jimbob's misunderstanding of the rules and nothing more.

 

This game is going to be mostly town death after town death until the ratio of Mafia to town increases. The Mafia will start with people who they deem competent and contribute good points to the discussion. You can bet your life another Mafioso isn't going to lynch Jimbob as he's a small threat and is currently a hate magnet. So if he is a Mafioso, that actually puts him in quite a good position to not be night killed by his teammates.

[DuD]

I thought i'd removed my vote against Jimbob? I meant to anyway.

 

Yeah, I would like to Vote: Rummy please

[Diageo]

The more people that come up with stupid reasons not to vote for Jimbob after his clear demonstration of complete incompetence, the more I believe he is mafia. His terrorist friends probably think so too and don't want to risk the lynch.

[Sméagol]

I thought i'd removed my vote against Jimbob? I meant to anyway.

 

Yeah, I would like to Vote: Rummy please

 

Yeps, my mistake.

 

Vote count

 

Jimbob [5]: Cube / Diageo / Jon Dedede / Jonnas / Sheikah

Yvonne [1]: Tales

Rummy [1]: DuD

No lynch [2]: Magnus Peterson / Jimbob

Not voting [4]: The Peeps / Yvonne / Mr-Paul / Rummy

 

There are 13 active players.

Absolute majority is 7.

Majority has not been reached.

 

Deadline is 17-05-2013 00:00 CET (16-05-2013 23:00 UK).

52 hours remaining.

Edited May 14, 2013 by Sméagol

[DuD]

Thanks

 

My vote will switch to Jimbob if no-one wants to follow a Rummy lynch.

 

I don't understand how Rummy can begin to reason that 'lynching a Mafioso is not benifical to the town' .. "If he's mafia and you lynch, it's actually still more chance of hitting a townie. If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be killing tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying." .. WHAT?

[Yvonne]

Yeah I gotta say I didn't understand Rummy's post at all

[Rummy]

If we're gonna lynch Jimbob anyway - might as well let him be viable target during the night; so that someone may target him there - thus reducing the possibility of someone ELSE dying. If he survives, I'm sure a person or two will wish to kill him - if he does not, they may end up killing someone else.

 

Actually if you lynch Jimbob and he's a townie then there is a reduced chance of killing a townie at night (owing to adjusted ratio of town to Mafia players). Albeit there will still be more chance of killing a townie as you said.

 

Anyway the part of my post you quoted has been ripped out of context - I was originally responding to Jimbob's misunderstanding of the rules and nothing more.

 

Yeah but if he's townie, and someone who would have killed him decides to target another townie and kills them - then we have TWO townies down. If we leave him to just be killed, it might save someone else. You're looking at the night standalone, but Jimbob could still be a loss to a numbers and crucial to the night if he survives the day to die in the night.

 

I thought i'd removed my vote against Jimbob? I meant to anyway.

 

Yeah, I would like to Vote: Rummy please

 

lolwut

 

10ten

 

Thanks

 

My vote will switch to Jimbob if no-one wants to follow a Rummy lynch.

 

I don't understand how Rummy can begin to reason that 'lynching a Mafioso is not benifical to the town' .. "If he's mafia and you lynch, it's actually still more chance of hitting a townie. If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be killing tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying." .. WHAT?

 

We don't know that he's mafia. If we KNEW then it's an obvious choice, but not knowing means he serves better purpose being a target in the night.

[Yvonne]

Jimbob being alive in the night is another gun that is definitely not going to be pointed at himself.

[Rummy]

Shit, just realised I made a crucial typo earlier lol

If Jimbob's left alive, he's probably going to be KILLED tonight anyway - leaving him a viable target and less chance of anyone else dying.

 

Jimbob being alive in the night is another gun that is definitely not going to be pointed at himself.

 

It'll be balanced by the gun(s) that IS pointed at him, though. The chances of us all wiping each other out simultaneously tonight is quite unlikely - I'd imagine half our number at most dying, most probably less, in fact.

[Mr-Paul]

I can understand the point Rummy is making - leave Jimbob alive = several people likely to target him at night as they want him out of game, townies less likely to die, mafia less likely to die too, but if a large number of people target Jimbob and he turns out to be mafia/terrorist - successful night?

 

And leave Jimbob alive - he too could target a mafia member to die, good for town.

 

It's a delicate balance of ifs and maybes, nobody can predict how the night will go, which is so different to what we're used to, but i'm erring on the side of no lynching today. I know i'm in the minority there, though.

[Rummy]

I can understand the point Rummy is making - leave Jimbob alive = several people likely to target him at night as they want him out of game, townies less likely to die, mafia less likely to die too, but if a large number of people target Jimbob and he turns out to be mafia/terrorist - successful night?

 

And leave Jimbob alive - he too could target a mafia member to die, good for town.

 

It's a delicate balance of ifs and maybes, nobody can predict how the night will go, which is so different to what we're used to, but i'm erring on the side of no lynching today. I know i'm in the minority there, though.

 

Yay! Essentially until we KNOW someone's a mafia, I think lynching is the worst thing to do! The same town consensus exists at Night! We can all kill the intended target for lynching.

 

 

As for anyone wishing to vote for me; why? Why not just kill me tonight? You all already know that even if I were mafia, I wouldn't know who anyone else is that I should defend them - hence I wouldn't take the chance to. Or maybe I would. But today we all know that we all know nothing!

 

I don't even mind dying tonight, I'd much rather than be lynched, people focus efforts killing me - it saves others.