General Gaming Sales/Charts Discussion

[liger05]

Dragon Quest did it, but Final Fantasy? I think not. DS was already a runaway success, as was the lower powered but hugely successful Wii. PS3 by comparison was not as commercially successful as either of those two same-generation formats (but considerably more powerful), yet FFXIII, XIII-2, XIII-3 and XIV have all released on PS3 (and some on 360, but that's a mere footnote for Japan). Ni no Kuni released on 3DS and PS3 - so at the worst, I could imagine a title releasing on both. Dragon Quest has also gone back to home console for DQX, and it wouldn't surprise me if future offline DQ main releases went back to consoles. DQVIII was about a million times more impressive than IX.

 

I very much think it's a case of trying to make the most visually impressive game they can for FF. They have gone somewhat style over substance in recent years, which can't be pulled off on handhelds.

 

If DQXI isnt on 3DS I would be amazed.

[Sheikah]

It might be, but hey, choosing to make X as an MMORPG and put it on a home console shows they're not just focusing on handheld main titles to make the most money.

 

Also what say you to the choice to put all main title FF games on PS3 and not the more popular handhelds, eh? :p

[Wii]

ONLY NINTENDO 3DS, WII U, XBOX ONE, AND PLAYSTATION 4 SHOW SOFTWARE GROWTH IN UK DURING JANUARY

 

 

 

Nintendo 3DS software in the United Kingdom sold over 50,000 units in January 2014, which is an increase of 47 percent from January 2013. Wii U has also faired well with software sales growing 91 percent, to 65,000 units. Unsurprisingly it’s the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4 shifting the most amount of software sales out of the four platforms mentioned, adding nearly half a million software units to the market. Software sales for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have declined along with the Wii and the Nintendo DS.

 

http://mynintendonews.com/2014/03/01/only-nintendo-3ds-wii-u-xbox-one-and-playstation-4-show-software-growth-in-uk-during-january/

 

It's nice and all that Wii U software is on the increase but they're absolutely dwarved by the competition. 65k is pretty insignificant. February should hopefully see an increase thanks to DKCR:TF.

[Ashley]

I think we should not be celebrating the PS4 and One's growth in 2014 and questioning why they did so badly last January.

[Serebii]

DKC held on rather well, #16 in the all format charts

[liger05]

DKC held on rather well, #16 in the all format charts

 

Week 8, 2014 - Individual Formats (Units)

 

01 (NE) PS4 THIEF (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

02 (NE) XBO THIEF (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

03 (01) 360 THE LEGO MOVIE VIDEOGAME (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

04 (NE) XBO PLANTS VS ZOMBIES: GARDEN WARFARE (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

05 (NE) 360 PLANTS VS ZOMBIES: GARDEN WARFARE (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

06 (NE) 360 THIEF (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

07 (02) 360 MINECRAFT: XBOX 360 EDITION (MICROSOFT)

08 (05) 360 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

09 (10) XBO FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

10 (03) PS3 THE LEGO MOVIE VIDEOGAME (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

11 (NE) PS3 THIEF (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

12 (06) 360 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

13 (11) PS3 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

14 (NE) PS3 TALES OF SYMPHONIA: CHRONICLES (BANDAI NAMCO GAMES)

15 (NE) PS3 CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW 2 (KONAMI)

16 (09) 360 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

17 (07) PS4 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

18 (08) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2)

19 (16) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)

20 (17) PS3 GRAN TURISMO 6 SONY COMPUTER ENT.)

21 (04) WIU DONKEY KONG COUNTRY: TROPICAL FREEZE (NINTENDO)

22 (15) 360 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

23 (12) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

24 (13) PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2)

25 (NE) 360 CASTLEVANIA: LORDS OF SHADOW 2 (KONAMI)

26 (14) 3DS THE LEGO MOVIE VIDEOGAME (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)

27 (34) XBO FORZA MOTORSPORT 5 (MICROSOFT)

28 (19) PS4 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

29 (29) XBO BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

30 (21) PS4 RAYMAN LEGENDS (UBISOFT)

31 (28) PS3 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)

32 (30) PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)

33 (39) PC FOOTBALL MANAGER 2014 (SEGA)

34 (35) XBO CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

35 (38) 3DS POKEMON Y (NINTENDO)

36 (__) XBO RAYMAN LEGENDS (UBISOFT)

37 (36) 3DS POKEMON X (NINTENDO)

38 (22) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)

39 (24) PS4 TOMB RAIDER: DEFINITIVE EDITION (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE)

40 (31) 360 WWE 2K14 (TAKE 2)

 

Next Gen games are doing well. Thief didnt get too many good reviews but it still seems to have sold really well. PvZ on XB1 & 360 again suggest Titanfall is going to be a big hit on the 360 and 360 owners are not migrating as quickly as maybe PS3 owners have to the PS4.

[Clownferret]

can't believe they released Rayman Legends on PS4

[Sheikah]

can't believe they released Rayman Legends on PS4

 

I can't believe they released loads of old games like Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex and Batman on the Wii U.

 

Hey, at least Rayman here has a chance of selling some copies. :p

[Daft]

Legends was so good I might just pick it up again for the PS4 when it's cheaper. Would be a good game for Plus, too.

[Serebii]

I can't believe they released loads of old games like Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex and Batman on the Wii U.

 

Hey, at least Rayman here has a chance of selling some copies. :p

Despite the Wii U version selling more than the 360 & PS3 ones combined? :p

[Daft]

Rayman Legends sold sod all on all platforms. Don't think there's any joy in that whatsoever.

[Sheikah]

@Serebii by selling some copies I mean that updates of old games probably have more chance of doing better on the PS4 (see Tomb Raider sales) than the Wii U versions of old games which did pretty poorly.

 

That's why I was confused that he didn't get why they would come to PS4, when I know he praised being able to play the Wii U versions for the first time.

 

Also Rayman Legends was originally a Wii U exclusive and had been designed for the console, so it's not surprising Wii U owners had already bought into the game.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Sheikah

[Clownferret]

I can't believe they released loads of old games like Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex and Batman on the Wii U.

 

Hey, at least Rayman here has a chance of selling some copies. :p

 

those releases made perfect sense, it was Nintendo showing that the Wii U unlike the Wii could and would get major 3rd party releases plus these were games that were not on the Wii so it was an incentive to upgrade.

 

If you've got a PS3 and like Rayman then you've got the game already and nobody is going to buy a PS4 for Rayman, so I can't get my head round who this is targeted at.

[liger05]

Rayman being released again is simply Ubi trying to get some easy sales for from the early adopters. The game bombed on everything as it always does.

 

those releases made perfect sense, it was Nintendo showing that the Wii U unlike the Wii could and would get major 3rd party releases plus these were games that were not on the Wii so it was an incentive to upgrade.

 

Only if you basically ignored the PS3/360 and stuck with the Wii only. Those games were too old by the time they were released on wii u and played on other platforms.

[Sheikah]

They weren't major third party releases though; they were old games that people had already played.

 

In some cases like Mass Effect 3 it just made no sense. The point of Mass Effect 3 is to play the trilogy (or at least comic + 2 + 3) so you had a story that meant something to you, as it was your story. Starting on the last game a while after it had come out on other consoles was just bizarre if you ask me.

 

Rayman Legends didn't sell amazingly so it reasons there are still many people who haven't bought it yet (unlike many of the Wii U titles, where most people interested had probably already bought it). If they can release it on the PS4 without too much effort then they may as well.

[Clownferret]

Rayman being released again is simply Ubi trying to get some easy sales for from the early adopters. The game bombed on everything as it always does.

 

 

 

Only if you basically ignored the PS3/360 and stuck with the Wii only. Those games were too old by the time they were released on wii u and played on other platforms.

 

absolutely... and that is Nintendo's big failure with Wii U. Forget all the nonsense aboaut the gamepad, it's a brilliant piece of kit, Nintendo thought they could release some HD "hardcore" ports from PS3 and 360 and that would shift units as this was mostly what people were crying out for on Wii, but they failed to realise that a huge percentage of Wii owners already had a PS3 and/or 360 and therefore already had these games.

I sold my 360 a couple of years ago so I do fall into the catergory of people who had not played these game, which i guess is why I love the Wii U so much and don't get the game droughts as all these ports are new games to me.

That said PS4's library is almost entirely made up of last gen ports and that is selling like hot cakes so go figure.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Clownferret

[Sheikah]

@Clownferret don't forget that the PS4 has just come out, so of course it's not going to have loads of great new games yet. The Wii U sure didn't at this stage in its life.

 

The PS4 is doing well because it has a future. It's as simple as that.

[Clownferret]

They weren't major third party releases though; they were old games that people had already played.

 

In some cases like Mass Effect 3 it just made no sense. The point of Mass Effect 3 is to play the trilogy (or at least comic + 2 + 3) so you had a story that meant something to you, as it was your story. Starting on the last game a while after it had come out on other consoles was just bizarre if you ask me.

 

Rayman Legends didn't sell amazingly so it reasons there are still many people who haven't bought it yet (unlike many of the Wii U titles, where most people interested had probably already bought it). If they can release it on the PS4 without too much effort then they may as well.

 

FIFA, COD, Assasins Creed, Batman are not major 3rd party releases?

How dot does Rayman not fall into your "old games that people have already played" theory?

 

Nintendo release old game = stupid

Sony release old game = genius

Every topic on here you turn into a Sony is better than Nintendo argument.

[Sheikah]

Because Rayman Legends didn't sell very well. It reasons that there are still people who will be there to buy it, or early PS4/X1 adopters game starved enough who never had it who will check it out.

 

Tomb Raider Definitive (X1/PS4) leapt to number 1 of the UK charts, so don't rudely imply anything when I suggest some consoles are more suitable for remakes/ports than others.

 

As for your other examples - ACIII was a month old when it hit Wii U. For this kind of game, that really is quite a bit. People that really want it aren't likely to hold off to buy it on Wii U if they already have one of the other systems are they? It was also cheaper on the other systems sooner as a result of it having been out longer. AC games notoriously drop off in price quickly. They are quick to turn over games.

 

FIFA and COD may be pretty big deals, but their dependence on a built up roster of friends means most people would probably rather buy it on the other consoles, which also have far more robust online infrastructures for this sort of thing. FIFA also came out 2 months later on Wii U (again, a pretty big deal for this sort of game).

 

Another look, and Batman was 1 year and 1 month later on Wii U too. How can you argue that Wii U is really competing here? Most of the games all came out later than the others, really.

Edited March 3, 2014 by Sheikah

[liger05]

That said PS4's library is almost entirely made up of last gen ports and that is selling like hot cakes so go figure

 

Good price point, marketing and PR leading up to launch which creates buzz and a pent up demand for next gen hardware ater a previous generation that lasted too long are some of the reasons why.

 

The Wii U had no buzz at all prior to launch and people didnt even know what it was.

 

As for your other examples - ACIII was a month old when it hit Wii U. For this kind of game, that really is quite a bit. People that really want it aren't likely to hold off to buy it on Wii U if they already have one of the other systems are they? It was also cheaper on the other systems sooner as a result of it having been out longer. AC games notoriously drop off in price quickly. They are quick to turn over games.

 

FIFA and COD may be pretty big deals, but their dependence on a built up roster of friends means most people would probably rather buy it on the other consoles, which also have far more robust online infrastructures for this sort of thing. FIFA also came out 2 months later on Wii U (again, a pretty big deal for this sort of game).

 

Another look, and Batman was 1 month later on Wii U too. How can you argue that Wii U is really competing here?

 

Not forgetting these ports looked no better on the Wii U than they did on the PS3/360 even though the Wii U was the newest platform.

Edited March 3, 2014 by liger05

[Hero-of-Time]

Sony have now sold 6 million PS4s.

 

As you’ve probably read by now, cumulative PS4 sales have now surpassed six million units worldwide following the successful launch in Japan just over a week ago. It’s truly humbling to see the rate at which gamers across the globe are choosing PS4 as their next gen console of choice. Even more exciting is what happens when gamers power up their PS4s. In the United States, more than 90% of PS4s are online, enabling gamers to connect, compete and share their greatness with friends and fellow gamers.

 

There have now been more than 3.6 million live broadcasts, and more than 56 million spectate sessions on PS4 through Twitch and Ustream. In fact, since January 1st, PS4 gamers account for 20% of daily broadcasters on Twitch. PS4 owners are also embracing the Share button on the DUALSHOCK 4 Wireless Controller, with more than 100 million shares captured as fans show friends their latest achievements on Facebook and Twitter.

 

And soon, you’ll be able to share your greatness in new ways. Developers are beginning to take advantage of PS4’s new interactive live broadcasting gaming features, integrating modes that allow broadcasted gameplay to become interactive for spectators. Even as a viewer, you can now influence livestreamed gameplay.

 

For example, Dead Nation: Apocalypse Edition features a built in Broadcast+ mode where you can stream your gameplay while viewers on the PS4 or a web browser influence positive and negative effects during gameplay. More social feedback is on the way too, with Dynasty Warriors 8 Xtreme Legends in March and Daylight in April.

 

We love the enthusiasm that all of you have had for the PS4 since launch, and we can’t wait to share more great games, experiences and features with you soon. Greatness awaits!

 

Crazy! Didn't they want to sell 5 million before the end of March?

 

Historical numbers from Aquamarine on Gaf.

 

PS1:

 

4 months (one territory) - March 31st, 1995 - 0.85 million

10 months - September 30th, 1995 - 1.77 million

16 months - March 31st, 1996 - 4.26 million

22 months - September 30th, 1996 - 8.07 million

28 months - March 31st, 1997 - 13.50 million

34 months - September 30th, 1997 - 22.50 million

 

 

PS2:

 

1 month (one territory) - March 31st, 2000 - 1.41 million

7 months (one territory) - September 30th, 2000 - 3.52 million

13 months - March 31st, 2001 - 10.61 million

19 months - September 30th, 2001 - 19.58 million

22 months - December 31st, 2001 - 24.99 million

25 months - March 31st, 2002 - 28.68 million

28 months - June 30th, 2002 - 33.27 million

31 months - September 30th, 2002 - 41.56 million

34 months - December 31st, 2002 - 49.59 million

 

 

PS3:

 

1 month - December 31st, 2006 - 1.7 million

4 months - March 31st, 2007 - 3.5 million

7 months - June 30th, 2007 - 4.2 million

10 months - September 30th, 2007 - 5.5 million

13 months - December 31st, 2007 - 10.4 million

16 months - March 31st, 2007 - 12.6 million

19 months - June 30th, 2007 - 14.2 million

22 months - September 30th, 2007 - 16.6 million

25 months - December 31st, 2007 - 21.1 million

28 months - March 31st, 2008 - 22.7 million

31 months - June 30th, 2008 - 23.8 million

34 months - September 30th, 2008 - 27.0 million

 

 

PS4:

 

1 day - November 16th, 2013 - 1 million

2 weeks - December 1st, 2013 - 2.1 million

1 month - December 28th, 2013 - 4.2 million

3 months - February 8th, 2014 - 5.3 million

4 months - March 2nd, 2014 - 6.0 million

Edited March 4, 2014 by Hero-of-Time

[Debug Mode]

Unless they have a major fuck up, they've essentially won publisher confidence for a good portion of this generation. It's pretty interesting to see how the table has turned yet again for Sony considering their abysmal start last generation.

[Dcubed]

So that's an increase of 700k from Feb 8th to March 2nd...

 

If 370k of that went to Japan (meaning that 2nd week sales are around 50-60k depending on tracker), then 430k was split across EU and the US over last month...

 

Quite the slowdown... guess supplies are still very limited...

 

Unless they have a major fuck up, they've essentially won publisher confidence for a good portion of this generation. It's pretty interesting to see how the table has turned yet again for Sony considering their abysmal start last generation.

 

Yep. No matter what happens, Sony have the lion's share of 3rd party support this generation. Just goes to show that you don't need quality exclusive games to sell hardware...

 

Good price point, marketing and PR leading up to launch which creates buzz and a pent up demand for next gen hardware ater a previous generation that lasted too long are some of the reasons why.

 

The Wii U had no buzz at all prior to launch and people didnt even know what it was.

 

Not forgetting these ports looked no better on the Wii U than they did on the PS3/360 even though the Wii U was the newest platform.

 

The PS4/Xbone versions of games look almost no better than the PS3/360 versions of games either outside of a resolution increase; it's the weakest generational jump we've ever seen. Sony won because of the above reasons you listed, not because their hardware ran games at the highest resolution... The most powerful hardware has almost never won a generation, but it will do this time simply by default as MS shot themselves in the foot back when the Xbone was unveiled and they never fully recovered (and the Nintendo brand is pure manure in the eyes of the "gamer" demographic).

Edited March 4, 2014 by Dcubed

[Hero-of-Time]

Yep. No matter what happens, Sony have the lion's share of 3rd party support this generation. Just goes to show that you don't need quality exclusive games to sell hardware...

 

I think for the general consumer price and marketing are always key and Sony nailed both points. They have also shown that you don't need gimmicks to sell a console.

[Dcubed]

I think for the general consumer price and marketing are always key and Sony nailed both points. They have also shown that you don't need gimmicks to sell a console.

 

TBH, most of their success simply comes by not screwing up like MS did. Nintendo was never in the running for this market, so Sony won simply by not trying to screw consumers royally. For better or worse, it has become the "default" console.

 

If MS had put up a better fight, then "gimmicks" might have ended up being more important (and that's not to say that they didn't try some new things like the touchpad on the DS4, or game broadcasting - which of course MS did as well).

 

All it proves is that game quality means nothing for hardware adoption. Even if the same games can be played on the hardware they already own, they're gonna jump in because they know that they will have to eventually. Where else are they gonna go? It might as well be a monopoly!

Edited March 4, 2014 by Dcubed