Serebii Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 Now that's a possibly foolish leap; the flaw in assuming that is true is it doesn't take into account actual playtimes of each console. Sure, every console should last really - but if those going through mutliple ps3s or 360s have played them 5 times longer than their wiis, then I don't think it's fair to determine the latter as being more reliable. Correlation not causation and all that. Perhaps, but I do know a person who always went out and got a new 360 when his broke (don't forget the 60% failure rate on models in the first year or two). He's on six now. Yes, longevity in play is a factor, but not when discussing sales figures if they're artificially inflated by people purchasing multiple consoles
Hero-of-Time Posted April 17, 2013 Author Posted April 17, 2013 Perhaps, but I do know a person who always went out and got a new 360 when his broke (don't forget the 60% failure rate on models in the first year or two). He's on six now. Yes, longevity in play is a factor, but not when discussing sales figures if they're artificially inflated by people purchasing multiple consoles I don't see how they are artificially inflated. A sale is a sale, no matter if it's upgrading to a newer model or replacing a broken one. It's no different than buying another machine for the house. If we are talking user numbers then yeah fair enough. As for you friend, there is no way he has bought six models due to failures. The machine has only been out 7 years, you get a years warranty with a new console, Microsoft also extended this when the whole RROD fiasco started. If he has been buying new consoles then he would have been covered, given that he's practically had one every year since release.
Rummy Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 It was about the durability comment. Personally I haven't seen many multiple same console purchases amongst my friends, but I can't claim that as representative either. I don't see how they are artificially inflated. A sale is a sale, no matter if it's upgrading to a newer model or replacing a broken one. It's no different than buying another machine for the house. If we are talking user numbers then yeah fair enough. As for you friend, there is no way he has bought six models due to failures. The machine has only been out 7 years, you get a years warranty with a new console, Microsoft also extended this when the whole RROD fiasco started. If he has been buying new consoles then he would have been covered, given that he's practically had one every year since release. It is an over-inflation of sorts though - if previously devs/industry thought of each console sale as a potenial x amount of game sales - it won't be the case with a re-purchased/upgraded console - the owner will already own the games. If it really occurs on a large scale, it'd begin to skew attach ratios in a negative way. I actually do believe, not neccessarily due to repeat console purchases, that the industry has somehow overinflated itself. The same thing occuring with consoles and disappointing sales seems to be occuring with games too - targets and forecasts are being set too high. If things don't change, the whole thing will collapse. Gears and God of War sales apparently 'have underperformed'. Sequelitis and franchise milking isn't going to cut it, but it seems developers think that's the way forward and put a lot into it, then they get burned when they don't hit the massive sales they expected. It's turning into the hollywood model, but it doesn't work like that at all. Needs to go back to basics and good gameplay imo. *If* for some reason there is some massive gaming crash, then it might be indies and the Wii U that comes out on top - IF Nintendo can get decent support from/for them, and other 3rd parties.
Serebii Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 I don't see how they are artificially inflated. A sale is a sale, no matter if it's upgrading to a newer model or replacing a broken one. It's no different than buying another machine for the house. If we are talking user numbers then yeah fair enough. As for you friend, there is no way he has bought six models due to failures. The machine has only been out 7 years, you get a years warranty with a new console, Microsoft also extended this when the whole RROD fiasco started. If he has been buying new consoles then he would have been covered, given that he's practically had one every year since release. No, he actually did do it. He ignores warranty. It's ridiculous
Hero-of-Time Posted April 17, 2013 Author Posted April 17, 2013 No, he actually did do it. He ignores warranty. It's ridiculous The guy deserves what he gets then. I actually do believe, not neccessarily due to repeat console purchases, that the industry has somehow overinflated itself. The same thing occuring with consoles and disappointing sales seems to be occuring with games too - targets and forecasts are being set too high. If things don't change, the whole thing will collapse. Gears and God of War sales apparently 'have underperformed'. Sequelitis and franchise milking isn't going to cut it, but it seems developers think that's the way forward and put a lot into it, then they get burned when they don't hit the massive sales they expected. It's turning into the hollywood model, but it doesn't work like that at all. I agree with this. The thing is, with both Gears and God of War they both looked different to what the fans are used to. God of War was shown as a multiplayer game first and single player game second. Gears looked like a cheap cash in from the start, with Epic handing development duties to someone else. I picked Gears up at launch and its not a patch on the other games and has felt very much like a spinoff. I plan on getting God of War when it hits £20. Which brings me to my next point. New releases don't seem to hold their price tags and gamers have caught on to this. The amount of times that a game has dropped by £20 after a few weeks on the market is insane. I've started to hold off on games now, something I should have done a long time ago. Games such as Dead Space, Metal Gear Rising and God of War in the past I would have snapped up instantly, but why bother if they are going to drop within weeks if release? I think this is another reason for the low sales of big games, especially here in the UK.
Serebii Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 This week in Japan 3DS LL 28,139 3DS 18,584 Vita 14,112 PS3 14,039 Wii U 9,984 PSP 7,566 Wii 1,383 Xbox 360 492
liger05 Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 This week in Japan 3DS LL 28,139 3DS 18,584 Vita 14,112 PS3 14,039 Wii U 9,984 PSP 7,566 Wii 1,383 Xbox 360 492 Media Create Sales: Week 15, 2013 (Apr 08 - Apr 14) 01./01. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.03.20} (¥4.800) - 56.562 / 515.975 (-17%)02./00. [3DS] Card Fight!! Vanguard: Ride to Victory!! <TBL> (FuRyu) {2013.04.11} (¥5.229) - 44.538 / NEW 03./02. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 36.709 / 3.062.077 (-25%) 04./03. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.20} (¥8.190) - 12.799 / 370.758 (-52%) 05./04. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥7.980) - 8.059 / 149.725 (-48%) 06./07. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.11.29} (¥5.040) - 6.983 / 449.305 (-39%) 07./08. [PSV] Muramasa Rebirth <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥4.980) - 6.492 / 63.287 (-42%) 08./05. [PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2013 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.03.20} (¥3.980) - 6.487 / 124.326 (-54%) 09./14. [3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.07.28} (¥4.800) - 6.473 / 1.996.530 (-33%) 10./11. [PSP] Sword Art Online: Infinity Moment # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.14} (¥6.280) - 6.435 / 186.444 (-39%) 11./13. [PS3] Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.14} (¥6.980) - 5.993 / 189.169 (-39%) 12./18. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice # <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.03.07} (¥5.980) - 5.049 / 160.663 (-28%) 13./12. [WIU] Dragon Quest X: Rise of the Five Tribes Online # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.03.30} (¥6.980) - 4.969 / 48.171 (-50%) 14./09. [PSP] Fate/Extra CCC # <RPG> (Marvelous AQL) {2013.03.28} (¥6.279) - 4.878 / 88.889 (-56%) 15./19. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 4.775 / 2.025.127 (-31%) 16./21. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (Best Price!) <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.11.15} (¥3.800) - 4.768 / 284.824 17./10. [WIU] Game & Wario <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.03.28} (¥4.935) - 4.719 / 38.274 (-57%) 18./16. [PSV] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.03.20} (¥7.140) - 4.620 / 90.199 (-43%) 19./20. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Legacy of Civilization A <ADV> (Level 5) {2013.02.28} (¥5.500) - 4.356 / 203.602 (-32%) 20./22. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040) - 4.110 / 466.189 Top 20 3DS - 8 PS3 - 3 PSP - 3 PSV - 3 WIU - 2 WII - 1 HARDWARE Code: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DS # | 46.723 | 56.864 | 63.796 | 1.361.982 | 1.376.356 | 11.141.862 | | PSV | 14.112 | 19.328 | 8.250 | 369.499 | 219.685 | 1.500.324 | | PS3 | 14.039 | 16.807 | 17.765 | 334.760 | 457.757 | 9.194.844 | | WIU | 9.984 | 14.783 | | 251.727 | | 879.014 | | PSP # | 7.566 | 8.876 | 13.166 | 226.552 | 305.944 | 19.855.563 | | WII | 1.383 | 1.718 | 6.837 | 29.366 | 174.103 | 12.668.202 | | 360 | 492 | 536 | 1.373 | 10.576 | 23.313 | 1.624.410 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 94.299 | 118.912 | 113.832 | 2.584.462 | 2.605.926 | 56.864.219 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DSLL | 28.139 | 34.180 | | 847.698 | | 2.938.069 | | 3DS | 18.584 | 22.684 | 63.796 | 514.284 | 1.376.356 | 8.203.793 | | PSP | 7.566 | 8.876 | 13.166 | 226.552 | 305.944 | 19.679.576 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luigi's Mansion - Great sales!!!
lostmario Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 Animal Crossing is a sales beast. Luigi Mansion 2 got legs New Super Mario Bros 2 probably hitting 2 million next week.
Helmsly Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) These are the numbers coming in for the March NPD's Software: 1. Bioshock Infinite (360, PS3, PC)** Take 2 Interactive - At least 750K.2. Tomb Raider 2013 (360, PS3)** Square Enix Inc - Franchise high. 3. Gears of War: Judgement (360) Microsoft 4. God of War: Ascension (PS3)** Sony 5. Call of Duty: Black Ops II (360, PS3, PC, NWU)** Activision Blizzard 6. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon (3DS) Nintendo - 365K (415K with digital, but the 415K number is an LTD) 7. MLB 13: The Show (PS3, PSV) Sony 8. NBA 2K13 (360, PS3, WII, NWU, PSP, PC)** Take 2 Interactive 9. The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct (360, PS3, NWU) Activision Blizzard 10. Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (360, PS3) Namco Bandai Games Hardware: 360 - 261K3DS - 230K PS3 - 211K Wii - 91K NDS - 86K Wii U - 67K PSV - 33K PSP - 8K Nintendo Press release: MORE THAN 20 MILLION PHYSICAL COPIES OF NINTENDO 3DS GAMES HAVE BEEN SOLD IN THE U.S. April 18, 2013 Fueled by strong starts for Luigi's Mansion™: Dark Moon and Pokémon™ Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity, and the continued strength of Fire Emblem Awakening, Nintendo 3DS™ crossed 20 million total units of software sold at retail in the United States, according to the NPD Group. Some notable sales numbers* achieved by Nintendo in March include: - Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon sold nearly 365,000 physical units in March, and has now sold more than 415,000 combined physical and digital units to date. - Fire Emblem Awakening sold an additional 64,000 combined physical and digital physical copies in March, and has now sold more than 240,000 combined units to date. - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity sold more than 145,000 combined physical and digital units for the month. - Total sales of Nintendo 3DS software at retail increased by more than 50 percent over March 2012. That momentum should only grow in the next few months as Nintendo prepares for a massive slate of Nintendo 3DS software releases, including: LEGO® City Undercover: The Chase Begins on April 24, Donkey Kong Country™ Returns 3D on May 24, Animal Crossing™: New Leaf on June 9 and Mario and Luigi™: Dream Team on Aug. 11. Additionally, in a Nintendo Direct that aired on April 17, Nintendo announced or provided more details about new entrants in the Yoshi's Island™, Mario Party™, The Legend of Zelda™ and Mario Golf™ franchises for the Nintendo 3DS system. Wii U™ owners have a ton of great games to look forward to from Nintendo and its third-party partners, including Game & Wario™ on June 23, Pikmin™ 3 on Aug. 4, Disney's Planes from Disney Interactive on Aug. 6 and Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell® Blacklist™ from Ubisoft® on Aug. 20. At the upcoming E3 trade show in June in Los Angeles, Nintendo expects to show attendees upcoming Wii U games from the Mario Kart™, Super Mario Bros.™ and Super Smash Bros.™ franchises. *Data regarding physical sales of games in March are from the NPD Group. Data regarding digital downloads of games and combined physical/digital life-to-date numbers are from Nintendo's internal sales figures. All numbers are specific to the United States only. Overall year on year sales down 10% Edited April 19, 2013 by Helmsly
Hero-of-Time Posted April 19, 2013 Author Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) Wow at those Wii U numbers. So that's 2K more than the previous month BUT there was an extra week in March and some games were actually released. Given the release list is looking sparse again these numbers aren't going to pick up any time soon. Edited April 19, 2013 by Hero-of-Time
Helmsly Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Apparently Lego City sold 100k and Need For speed sold around 10k. Both Monster hunter games on 3DS and Wii U sold a total of 130k
Dcubed Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Bit more info... SoftWare 13,597K（▲5%）・Gears of War Judgment: 620K ・Bioshock Infinite 870K ・God of War Ascension 570K ・Tomb Raider 640K ・Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon 360K Hardware 990K（▲32%) ・3DS 230K（+1%） ・Wii 91K（▲47%） ・Wii U 67K ・PS3 211K（▲36%） ・360 261K（▲30%） No new game > 1m 600k < gowj < gowa < tr, but the diff between each other is less than 10k hunter / lego fan could be sad gowa have bundle sku, so you could figure it out. 100k < lego < hunter 3ds+wiiu < 130k nfs < 10k IGN4.7(Castlevania) ~ 30k MH3U: 3DS: 3/5 Wii U: 2/5 Wii U ver is 13th of all Wii U SW LTD. 60.9K < MHU 3DS < 77.4K 40.4K < MHU WiiU < 51.6K Looks like MH3U combined on both platforms did about the same as Tri on Wii. Good enough Lego City Undercover doing over 100K is also much better than I had expected! 3DS is finally on an upturn; too bad that the new software did nothing to stop the Wii U's decline though (they're probably just gonna give up on it until they can relaunch it in Q3, when the "launch window" software actually launches )
liger05 Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Lego City doing 100k is pretty decent. I thought it would do less as it bombed over here. NFS under 10k in America. Thats shockingly low!!! Wii U sales are awful. The console is on life support in every region with no software in sight. I'm not sure how it will play out in the end but when new consoles come later this year and shops need to find shelve space I think the Wii U and Vita are going to suffer big time. Both consoles are are dead right now.
Hero-of-Time Posted April 22, 2013 Author Posted April 22, 2013 Pow! Superhero fighter Injustice: Gods Among Us has knocked BioShock Infinite from the top of the UK all-formats chart. BioShock Infinite dropped into second place during its fourth week of release. Nintendo's top-notch tactical RPG Fire Emblem: Awakening scored third. The 3DS sensation spurred system sales, too, with the launch of its special edition blue 3DS XL boosting hardware numbers by 49 per cent. The release of Injustice: Gods Among Us marks the first time a fighting game has hit the UK's top spot in over a year - since UFC Undisputed 3. Tomb Raider was fourth this week, while Defiance was fifth and FIFA 13 sixth. Black Ops 2, Luigi's Mansion 2, Tiger Woods 14 and Far Cry 3 rounded out the rest of the top 10. Good to see Fire Emblem getting a strong start.
liger05 Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Good to see Fire Emblem getting a strong start. Yeah very good and LM2 also showing some good legs.
Daft Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Glad to see Injustice at the top. I'm absolutely loving it and would love to see the roster grow. Probably one of the only fighting games that would benefit from a next-gen follow up, too.
Dcubed Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 HOLY COW @ FIRE EMBLEM!!! No way! Good going my friend! Now, how's about localising the 7 missing FE games NOE...
Serebii Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Lego City doing 100k is pretty decent. I thought it would do less as it bombed over here. NFS under 10k in America. Thats shockingly low!!! Wii U sales are awful. The console is on life support in every region with no software in sight. I'm not sure how it will play out in the end but when new consoles come later this year and shops need to find shelve space I think the Wii U and Vita are going to suffer big time. Both consoles are are dead right now. Feel bad for anyone who relies on you on whether to pull the plug since you say the Wii U is on life support and then it is dead in the same paragraph :p I am surprised at NFS. It's a fantastic game, but I guess it is a late port and EA didn't exactly market it
Helmsly Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) FE at number 3? that's awesome! -edit- full chart: Week 16, 2013 - UK Individual Formats (Units) 01 (NE) 360 INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) 02 (NE) PS3 INJUSTICE: GODS AMONG US (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE) 03 (NE) 3DS FIRE EMBLEM: AWAKENING (NINTENDO) 04 (01) 360 BIOSHOCK INFINITE (TAKE 2) 05 (02) 360 DEFIANCE (TRION WORLDS) 06 (03) 360 TOMB RAIDER (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE) 07 (05) 3DS LUIGI'S MANSION 2 (NINTENDO) 08 (06) PS3 TOMB RAIDER (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE) 09 (04) 360 FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 10 (07) PS3 BIOSHOCK INFINITE (TAKE 2) 11 (08) 360 GEARS OF WAR: JUDGMENT (MICROSOFT) 12 (12) 360 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 13 (13) PS3 GOD OF WAR: ASCENSION (SONY COMPUTER ENT.) 14 (09) PS3 FIFA 13 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 15 (17) 360 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 16 (10) 360 HALO 4 (MICROSOFT) 17 (11) PC SIMCITY (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 18 (22) 360 THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS) 19 (19) 360 FAR CRY 3 (UBISOFT) 20 (16) PS3 DEFIANCE (TRION WORLDS) 21 (26) PS3 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 22 (14) WII JUST DANCE 4 (UBISOFT) 23 (15) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) 24 (28) PC FOOTBALL MANAGER 2013 (SEGA) 25 (20) PS3 CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS II (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 26 (24) PS3 FAR CRY 3 (UBISOFT) 27 (34) WII SKYLANDERS GIANTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD) 28 (25) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO EPISODES - LIBERTY CITY (TAKE 2) 29 (27) 360 FORZA HORIZON (MICROSOFT) 30 (32) 360 SNIPER: GHOST WARRIOR 2 (CITY INTERACTIVE) 31 (__) 360 KINECT DISNEYLAND ADVENTURES (MICROSOFT) 32 (18) PS3 ASSASSIN'S CREED III (UBISOFT) 33 (30) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV (TAKE 2) 34 (38) PC THE SIMS 3: UNIVERSITY LIFE (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 35 (__) 360 WWE '13 (TAKE 2) 36 (21) PC THE SIMS 3 (ELECTRONIC ARTS) 37 (40) 360 SLEEPING DOGS (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE) 38 (36) 360 HITMAN ABSOLUTION (SQUARE ENIX EUROPE) 39 (__) PS3 METAL GEAR RISING: REVENGEANCE (KONAMI) 40 (__) 360 BORDERLANDS 2 (TAKE 2) Edited April 22, 2013 by Helmsly
-Dem0- Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Also nice to see two absolute top quality 3DS titles in the top 10. Stay in there!
Wii Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Nice to see so many Wii U games in the Top 40. Awesome!
Blade Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Nice to see so many Wii U games in the Top 40. Awesome! Just had to have a second glance at the table. I then realised you were taking the piss.
Wii Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 Just had to have a second glance at the table. I then realised you were taking the piss. What? Are you saying there's not even 1 title in the Top 40? No, surely that couldn't be. The Wii U is a beast in terms of sales, destroying everything in its wake. Stay classy Nintendo!
liger05 Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 What? Are you saying there's not even 1 title in the Top 40? No, surely that couldn't be. The Wii U is a beast in terms of sales, destroying everything in its wake. Stay classy Nintendo! Not quite sure where your going with this.
Hero-of-Time Posted April 23, 2013 Author Posted April 23, 2013 Iwata will announce a second straight annual loss tomorrow, losing 18.7 billion yen in the 12 months ended March 31, according to the average of 15 estimates compiled by Bloomberg. For the year started April 1, Nintendo may post operating income of 70 billion-yen, according to the average of 19 estimates -- short of a target he said was a personal “commitment.” Also from the article: "While Nintendo struggles with its main business, a weakening of the yen may give some relief, as it boosts the value of overseas earnings. The Japanese currency has depreciated about 13 percent against the U.S. dollar this year and touched a four-year low of 99.95 on April 11. That may enable the company to post net income of 14 billion yen tomorrow, the company said in January." http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...tml?cmpid=yhoo The 100 billion yen operating income goal is for the fiscal year that just started. Not surprising, if true. Launching a new console is always a money sink, even more so when it's not performing well.
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