Too fat to work?

[gaggle64]

I think I'm going to have obsessing about the weight of people we don't know registered as disability. It's clearly endemic. If only people had the willpower to stop themselves doing it.

[Goafer]

But transport manager for London bus company Beeline, Stewart Field, branded the policy discriminatory.

 

"I wouldn't put that on anyone. Sometimes it's not down to lack of exercise. It could be a medical condition, like a thyroid problem," he said.

 

Bull shit. Sure, some people may have thryoid problems, but not allowing them to drive a bus is the same as "discriminating" against other disabilities. You wouldn't hire an epileptic person to drive because it's unsafe, same with someone that's too heavy for the seat.

 

Bus drivers over 20 stone have 2 choices: Call it a disability and understand that it's a disability that effects the safety of their job, or admit to just being a fat fucker and do something about it.

[jayseven]

Can we argue about 'normal' again? Because being fat isn't 'normal' (and therefore, being fat is gay and totally offensive).

 

But seriously - I doubt fat people even want to be bus drivers. Work in general would totally cut into their eating hours.

[Platty]

Theres is no excuse for being fat (ok there are a few, but not in general). Its just lazyness. Should people go to the gym after finishing an 8 hour shift at work in my opinion yes they should. Either that or put down the fucking fork!!!!

 

That's a bit harsh. I work my arse off at work doing more than 8 hours most days. The last thing I want to do when I come home is to go to the gym. I want to chill out with the missus, relax and de-stress.

 

Adding to that the gyms round here are rather pricey. I don't really want to pay out for something I don't enjoy and be out of pocket.

 

Just to add im not really fat. I just don't agree with your post stating that people should go to the gym after an 8 hour shift at work fat or not.

[Goafer]

I have no problem with fat people, as long as they realise that being fat does have limitations and "normal" people shouldn't have to go to extra measures to help them. If I can find the time and energy to excercise, so can anyone else. I'm spectacularly lazy and used to work 10 hour shifts in a factory, which weren't exactly relaxed and I still managed a solid hours excercise a day.

 

I do feel for people who have no control over their weight, but they can't label it a disability and then complain when jobs won't take them because of it. If you admit to having a disability, then you're admitting to be differently abled than a "normal" person and therefore are not suitable for certain things. It seems people want to shift blame onto a disability, but not accept the drawbacks of it.

[Molly]

As Raining astutely pointed out, it's a health and safety issue rather than discrimination.

 

It's ugly and depressing for themselves and everyone else.

Exactly right. Being fat or eating excessively is ugly and it kills. Just like excessive smoking, drinking and drug abuse.

 

There's no ''easy'' fix though, quitting any of the above vices takes a mental shift.

[Raining_again]

I've not been far off 20 stone. For the ones saying oh its easy blah blah blah - shut up.

 

Its twice as hard working a long day when you are fat. You are carrying twice the weight of some normal people, so NO its not easy to go to the gym. Yes its certainly a matter of eating less... But how can you comment on a fat person life when you don't know what issues they have to deal with? Losing a stone and losing 6+ stone is certainly NOT comparable, whatsoever.

 

I mean the NHS helps alcoholics, druggies, SMOKERS, so why not fat people. Its an addiction as much as any of those are.

 

I'm probably one of those people who drain the hell out of the NHS. Its not fucking easy to lose weight in my situation. Some days it is a struggle to even drag myself out of bed. I have been incredibly depressed in the past and food was my only comfort. I'm paying a huge price now. Its not just as easy as "stop eating" and saying something like that is incredibly patronising.

[Goafer]

I've not been far off 20 stone. For the ones saying oh its easy blah blah blah - shut up.

 

Not sure if I fall into the group mentioned here, but I shall comment just in case since I can see why it would seem like I said that.

 

I know it's not easy, but sometimes life isn't. When I was a bit chunkier (I think I was 15 stone), I gave myself a bit of tough love (oo er). I thought to myself "It's either be fat, unconfident and generally unhappy, or I can stop being so god damn lazy, do some hard work and lose some weight". Now the lazy part might not apply to everyone, but the rest seems valid. I came home from work with every joint from my elbow down feeling completely fucked and still managed to get the excercise done because I realised that it wasn't going to happen any other way. Sometimes hard work is the only way to get what you want (and I applaud anyone who tries) and if someone decides it's too much effort, then I'm afraid they have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

 

I still consider myself quite pudgy, but I blame no one but myself and my own laziness.

 

 

 

For the record, none of this was aimed at anyone specifically, just my general tough love viewpoint (I'm worried Raining will take it personally, since it was a reply to her post! It's not aimed at her, I know she works damn hard to lose weight). And obviously, it's only about people who can do something about their weight.

[Shino]

It's ugly?! Really? What kind of argument is that? Should I go kill everyone that's not trying to actively be physically attractive?

 

It's not just an addiction, people have a predisposition to being fat, what the brain thinks its enough food varies from person to person, the way the body handles the excess calories also varies from people to people, if you were fat during childhood most likely you'll be fat for the rest of your life or you'll have a much harder time than everyone else trying not to be.

 

I'm not saying people shouldn't try to change this but it is much more difficult than it is for slimmer people, that don't even have to think about it! Thinking about what you can or can not eat, or that you need to exercise regularly, specially when you're starting point is the complete opposite of what you have to achieve, makes you depressed and consequently makes you want to eat more. And from my experience gyms aren't exactly the most friendly place for fat people, most of the people there is in fact pretty fit, with pretty woman doing cardio and assholes doing dumbbells. Being there wobbling around your man tits on a treadmill for 30 mins with a mirror in front of you, forcing you acknowledge your pathetic figure isn't a pleasant experience.

[Raining_again]

Not sure if I fall into the group mentioned here, but I shall comment just in case since I can see why it would seem like I said that.

 

I know it's not easy, but sometimes life isn't. When I was a bit chunkier (I think I was 15 stone), I gave myself a bit of tough love (oo er). I thought to myself "It's either be fat, unconfident and generally unhappy, or I can stop being so god damn lazy, do some hard work and lose some weight". Now the lazy part might not apply to everyone, but the rest seems valid. I came home from work with every joint from my elbow down feeling completely fucked and still managed to get the excercise done because I realised that it wasn't going to happen any other way. Sometimes hard work is the only way to get what you want (and I applaud anyone who tries) and if someone decides it's too much effort, then I'm afraid they have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

 

I still consider myself quite pudgy, but I blame no one but myself and my own laziness.

 

For the record, none of this was aimed at anyone specifically, just my general tough love viewpoint (I'm worried Raining will take it personally, since it was a reply to her post! It's not aimed at her, I know she works damn hard to lose weight). And obviously, it's only about people who can do something about their weight.

 

referencing the bold bit; its never gonna be fun to lose weight, its hard. Something smaller people will never understand. Well done on doing so well Goafer. ^^;

 

 

Exercise is incredibly difficult for me. I can't do a lot of things that people take for granted..

 

My meds have a few side effects in relation to this, like low blood sugars. Which means I have to eat something sweet or I get ill. (i'm not a diabetic and have had no problems previous to this) My doctor said it would be a struggle for me to lose weight.

 

And people have the fucking cheek to tell me I'm a lardy arse/fat/lazy/greedy, without knowing that? They should think before they throw stones. None of my medical problems are caused by my weight.

 

its a bit of a rant and a bit off-tangent, but I needed a rant

 

EDIT; I agree with shino - every single woman in my mums side of my family has had weight problems. I've been overweight since I was born. My sister (bitch) seems to have gotten the genetics from my fathers side =P

Edited September 3, 2009 by Raining_again

[danny]

That's a bit harsh. I work my arse off at work doing more than 8 hours most days. The last thing I want to do when I come home is to go to the gym. I want to chill out with the missus, relax and de-stress.

 

Adding to that the gyms round here are rather pricey. I don't really want to pay out for something I don't enjoy and be out of pocket.

 

Well my point was if people who cant be arsed to look after themselves then they cant complain about companys saying you must be less than 20 stone to drive a bus.

 

I've not been far off 20 stone. For the ones saying oh its easy blah blah blah - shut up.

 

Its twice as hard working a long day when you are fat. You are carrying twice the weight of some normal people, so NO its not easy to go to the gym. Yes its certainly a matter of eating less... But how can you comment on a fat person life when you don't know what issues they have to deal with? Losing a stone and losing 6+ stone is certainly NOT comparable, whatsoever.

 

I mean the NHS helps alcoholics, druggies, SMOKERS, so why not fat people. Its an addiction as much as any of those are.

 

I'm probably one of those people who drain the hell out of the NHS. Its not fucking easy to lose weight in my situation. Some days it is a struggle to even drag myself out of bed. I have been incredibly depressed in the past and food was my only comfort. I'm paying a huge price now. Its not just as easy as "stop eating" and saying something like that is incredibly patronising.

 

If this was aimed at me i did say there were some reasons why people do gain weight when it isnt there fault.

Plus you dont fall in to the group i was talking about as from what i hav read you are trying to help yourself. Unlike some people who are overweight and do fuck all about it. These people are a drain on the NHS. If you are trying but due to medical reasons you are still over weight thats a totally different matter.

As for the druggies, smokers and piss heads my same views apply. If they arnt willing to try and change themselves then why should the NHS prolong a life they are hell bent on shortening. But if they try to do something about it themselves thats different.

 

referencing the bold bit; its never gonna be fun to lose weight, its hard. Something smaller people will never understand.

 

I do understand compleatly. Only im the total reverse. I need to put weight on for my job. When i applyed to join 4 years ago i was 21 and 8 stone 7. Now im nearly 25 and about 10 stone 6. Still desperatly trying to gain weight.

[Raining_again]

Well my point was if people who cant be arsed to look after themselves then they cant complain about companys saying you must be less than 20 stone to drive a bus.

 

This is fair - and my point is that they are looking after both the employee and the companies best interest, making sure no-one gets hurt.

 

But the point is you could say that about anyone without knowing their personal circumstance. Many have done it about me.

 

For me its getting to the point where I'm gonna have to consider something drastic. I've been a serial dieter for years... I get a bit bipolar at times. On a high I'm an extremely good dieter, and on a low the amount I consume is scary. Its the only part of the "illness" that I have no control over.

[Molly]

It's ugly?! Really? What kind of argument is that? Should I go kill everyone that's not trying to actively be physically attractive?

I don't know if you're talking to me but I meant it kills because of heart disease and diabetes; I'm saying this as someone who is overweight by the way.

 

I'm not making an ''argument'' about being ugly, people are entitled to their opinions. I think I'm ugly, that's my opinion. Most people trying to lose weight are not just doing it for health reasons, they want to look better too. It's difficult, I'm doing a very low calorie diet at the moment and it takes some getting used to, but it's the ''keeping it off'' that's even tougher.

[EEVILMURRAY]

Bull shit. Sure, some people may have thryoid problems, but not allowing them to drive a bus is the same as "discriminating" against other disabilities. You wouldn't hire an epileptic person to drive because it's unsafe, same with someone that's too heavy for the seat.

 

Bus drivers over 20 stone have 2 choices: Call it a disability and understand that it's a disability that effects the safety of their job, or admit to just being a fat fucker and do something about it.

That's why they ban us for a year.

 

 

Twats.

[My Buttons are Magic!]

referencing the bold bit; its never gonna be fun to lose weight, its hard. Something smaller people will never understand. Well done on doing so well Goafer. ^^;

 

 

Exercise is incredibly difficult for me. I can't do a lot of things that people take for granted..

 

My meds have a few side effects in relation to this, like low blood sugars. Which means I have to eat something sweet or I get ill. (i'm not a diabetic and have had no problems previous to this) My doctor said it would be a struggle for me to lose weight.

 

And people have the fucking cheek to tell me I'm a lardy arse/fat/lazy/greedy, without knowing that? They should think before they throw stones. None of my medical problems are caused by my weight.

 

its a bit of a rant and a bit off-tangent, but I needed a rant

 

EDIT; I agree with shino - every single woman in my mums side of my family has had weight problems. I've been overweight since I was born. My sister (bitch) seems to have gotten the genetics from my fathers side =P

 

dude i get low blood sugar and im not even on medication!...

 

for all those whiners

exercise doesnt mean the gym you know - there are free things like... i dunno.. walking!.. walking gently ( or briskly!) gets your heart pumping -

[Paj!]

I don't know if you're talking to me but I meant it kills because of heart disease and diabetes; I'm saying this as someone who is overweight by the way.

 

I'm not making an ''argument'' about being ugly, people are entitled to their opinions. I think I'm ugly, that's my opinion. Most people trying to lose weight are not just doing it for health reasons, they want to look better too. It's difficult, I'm doing a very low calorie diet at the moment and it takes some getting used to, but it's the ''keeping it off'' that's even tougher.

 

Fishing for compliments...?

[My Buttons are Magic!]

I don't know if you're talking to me but I meant it kills because of heart disease and diabetes; I'm saying this as someone who is overweight by the way.

 

I'm not making an ''argument'' about being ugly, people are entitled to their opinions. I think I'm ugly, that's my opinion. Most people trying to lose weight are not just doing it for health reasons, they want to look better too. It's difficult, I'm doing a very low calorie diet at the moment and it takes some getting used to, but it's the ''keeping it off'' that's even tougher.

 

dont go too low =) when i lsot my weight i stuck to around 1,200 calories a day - and now its pretty easy keeping my weight off

 

the quicker you lose it ( and the more stupid way you lose it) the quicker it will pill back on!

[jayseven]

Yes, I'm sure it's hard being fat, but maybe it's my personal issues -- it's harder being blind and deaf. You can lose weight but my eyes and ears are only going to get worse. That's all it crunches down to, really. No amount of hard work will improve my life, no matter how down or depressed it makes me, I don't have that option to make things any better. I just have to shut the fuck up and deal with it.

[danny]

That's why they ban us for a year.

 

 

Twats.

 

Yes twats indead. Puting safety first they are total twats.

[EEVILMURRAY]

Yes twats indead. Puting safety first they are total twats.

Too right. I can [in theory] control mine. I should be allowed on the road 24/7 ¬_¬

[Raining_again]

Too right. I can [in theory] control mine. I should be allowed on the road 24/7 ¬_¬

 

well then you should control it! Silly person

 

I think diabetics have to renew their licence every 3 years or something.. Pretty shocking.